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Zinnie, Mother of two Survivors
June 16, 2005
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Hey Zin,

I am currently applying heat to the Holyshrinks, who I once employed "counselors." As you may recall, they grossly mishandled my case when I asked them for help with an abusive relationship.

When I looked into the matter, I discovered that they have quite a history of colluding with abusers, stalkers, and child molesters. I am trying to inspire them to change their ways in this regard. One intervention coming up is a picketing of their office by a group of DV survivors.

I recall you saying that a certain "M.H." wrote a letter to the court supporting leniancy for the stalker who assaulted your son in his home while he was holding an infant.

If you, as a survivor and mother of two survivors of domestic violence wanted to add your voice and express your displeasure with the "counselor" who wrote that letter in support of leniancy for the stalkerbabe, it woud help heat things up for the Holyshrinks a degree or two.

You could send that letter to the street address or email found at this website.

http://directory.ic.org/record.....4e0a0fa198

WD

June 17, 2005
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Hi WD,

I briefly looked at the link you provided - and yes, I will be more than happy to write a letter to the cause of which you speak.

To have someone collude with a stalker, and worse - well, as you know my opinion is unthinkable. Add to that the fact that MH wrote this letter, sending it to the court, etc., yet, to the best of our knowledge NEVER actually "evaluated" the woman in question.

So, tell me - what kind of recommendation is she really fit to give? That would be like me writing a recommendation letter for my dogs manicurists sister-in-laws cousin - who I heard is really an O.K. person, with the exception that she has this nasty little habit of shooting people in the head if they cross their eyes while looking in her direction.

I will study the site further to gain more insight as to what I want to say - but, who do I write the letter to? I mean, if I send the letter to the GE community, and it is perceived as a threat or anti-GE won't it just get tossed in the trash?

Any words of wisdom?

By the way - I have not been on much with all of the changes going on in my own world but 1. How are you? and 2. My Lisa has had another surgery and although she is still in the hospital, she is up and walking! Very limited, and using a walker or quad cane, but she is up and moving approximately three to four hours each day! Where before, after an hour or so, she just could no longer continue on. So, this means that at some point (the goal) is that she will be out of her chair for 50% of her day instead of 15 to 25%.

Anyway, just wanted you to know - let me know to whom this needs to be directed to - someone that will really read it and look at the actions vs. someone who will read it and think me "against" them.

Z.

June 17, 2005
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Zinnie,

Wonderful news on Lisa. Bless her little heart she is so brave and full of vim and vigor. She truly inspires me to keep moving myself.

June 17, 2005
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Hi Zin,

Well, if the Person who wrote the offending letter is Mary Colette Hoff a.k.a. Colette Hoff of the Goodenough Community, then I would suggest writing to her. I'm just hoping for one more voice to say to them that maybe they have something to learn.

I don't think you need to be nasty or threatening. Be calm and well spoken. I think the idea is that you are a mother and an victim's advocate and believe that professionals should be very well informed and conscientious in their response to abusive relationships and that you are somewhat unhappy with her response in this case and want her to do better from now on...maybe she needs to learn more about the phenomenon of abuse...

Just something to the effect of...I very roughly paraphrase...you'll think of your own ideas. If it had the phrase "as a mother.." would be a nice touch.

"My son was stalked and assaulted by this woman...You wrote a letter suggesting leniency based on your perception of the woman's psychology. You dont even know the woman but she is dangerous...(you might describe her behavior)...if the court had listened to your letter then your letter would have had the effect of endangering my family. Therapists should not endanger victims of abuse.

...You need to take seriously the role of psychotherapists in these situations...abusive relationships always hurt people. Children get hurt. Abuse can kill and the survivors are scarred for life... and they tend to escalate in and of themselves...a therapist can make dating and domestic violence better or worse based on what they say or don't say, what they do or don't do....a therapist who says the wrong thing can make it worse....you need to study abuse and domestic violence more carefully...consider the issues of professional liability if nothing else.

Is that making any sense?

June 17, 2005
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The part about victims being scarred for life is a nice dramatic touch. Also happens to be true.

June 18, 2005
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WD,

I do not want to take over your thread, but wanted to ask if these counselors are licensed or registered in any form? Or do they just call themselves counselors and work under the auspices of a church or ministry?

Everyone who practices any form of counseling is accountable to a governing board, at least in the state where I live. Individuals have lost licenses and are barred from practicing in the future for offenses less serious than what you have gone thru.

June 20, 2005
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Well, in Washington State, the only kind of counselor who is permitted to have a few sessions with any client, permitted to advertise or charge money is called a "licensed" counselor.

Gee, so they would have to be licensed counselors, wouldn't they...

June 20, 2005
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WD (Warning: This is long),

I did a little bit of research, and found answers to questions that I had concerning counseling guidelines in your state.

From -

http://www.counselingseattle.c.....umer/2.htm

I found -

Question 2: What is the difference between the words "counselor," "therapist", and "psychotherapist?"

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A: They all mean approximately the same thing. In Washington state the word "counseling " is a legally defined word. The title one goes by--social worker, psychotherapist, mediator--makes no difference. If what the person DOES falls within the legal definition of counseling, the person must be registered, certified, or licensed by the Washington State Department of Health, Counselors Section, P.O. Box 1099, Olympia, Washington 98507-0199.

From RCW 18.19.020(5)" Counseling" means employing any therapeutic techniques, including but not limited to social work, mental health counseling, marriage and family therapy, and hypnotherapy, for a fee that offer, assist or attempt to assist an individual or individuals in the amelioration or adjustment of mental, emotional, or behavioral problems, and includes therapeutic techniques to achieve sensitivity and awareness of self and others and the development of human potential ...

(6) "Counselor" means an individual, practitioner, therapist, or analyst who engages in the practice of counseling to the public for a fee, including for the purposes of this chapter, hypnotherapists.

RCW 18.19.030: Registration required. No person may, for a fee or as a part of his or her position as an employee of a state agency, practice counseling without being registered to practice by the department under this chapter unless exempt under RCW 18.19.040.

(RCW 18.19.040 sets forth a list of exemptions from the above policy. To read the entire text of Chapter 18.19 RCW, Counselors, find the RCW [Revised Code of Washington] button on our government links page.)

----Floyd Else, MA, LMHC

**I've cut and pasted the actual exemptions (and especially noted #6)**

RCW 18.19.040
Exemptions.
Nothing in this chapter may be construed to prohibit or restrict:

(1) The practice of a profession by a person who is either registered, certified, licensed, or similarly regulated under the laws of this state and who is performing services within the person's authorized scope of practice, including any attorney admitted to practice law in this state when providing counseling incidental to and in the course of providing legal counsel;

(2) The practice of counseling by an employee or trainee of any federal agency, or the practice of counseling by a student of a college or university, if the employee, trainee, or student is practicing solely under the supervision of and accountable to the agency, college, or university, through which he or she performs such functions as part of his or her position for no additional fee other than ordinary compensation;

(3) The practice of counseling by a person without a mandatory charge;

(4) The practice of counseling by persons offering services for public and private nonprofit organizations or charities not primarily engaged in counseling for a fee when approved by the organizations or agencies for whom they render their services;

(5) Evaluation, consultation, planning, policy-making, research, or related services conducted by social scientists for private corporations or public agencies;

(6) The practice of counseling by a person under the auspices of a religious denomination, church, or organization, or the practice of religion itself;

(7) Counselors whose residency is not Washington state from providing up to ten days per quarter of training or workshops in the state, as long as they don't hold themselves out to be registered in Washington state.

[2001 c 251 § 20; 1987 c 512 § 4.]

Do you suppose it would do any good at all to write to the Department of Health in Olympia to complain about the lack of accountability this group has, and the damage they are doing?

Good grief, even Jesus said that we need to give to Caesar (the government) the things that are his (theirs). He never intended for his followers to think of themselves as above the law, but to live within its boundaries. They need to be held accountable, just the same as licensed counselors.

June 20, 2005
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It turns out that you are allowed to do "pastoral counseling" as long as you do not have more than a few sessions and do not bill for your time. People who practice counseling without a license are subject to prosecution, and being fined $1,000 a day for unlicensed practice.

June 20, 2005
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RCW 18.130.190

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2) If the secretary makes a final determination that a person has engaged or is engaging in unlicensed practice, the secretary may issue a cease and desist order. In addition, the secretary may impose a civil fine in an amount not exceeding one thousand dollars for each day upon which the person engaged in unlicensed practice of a business or profession for which a license is required by one or more of the chapters specified in RCW 18.130.040. The proceeds of such fines shall be deposited to the health professions account.

5) Neither the issuance of a cease and desist order nor payment of a civil fine shall relieve the person so practicing or operating a business without a license from criminal prosecution therefore, but the remedy of a cease and desist order or civil fine shall be in addition to any criminal liability…..

7)(a) Unlicensed practice of a profession or operating a business for which a license is required by the chapters specified in RCW 18.130.040, unless otherwise exempted by law, constitutes a gross misdemeanor for a single violation.

(b) Each subsequent violation, whether alleged in the same or in subsequent prosecutions, is a class C felony punishable according to chapter 9A.20 RCW.

June 20, 2005
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Dear Convocation,

I have, in my two Petitions with attached commentary and analyses and in the Staff Performance Evaluation Notes described and documented over seventy instances of professional misbehavior by your staff members impacting dozens of clients. Those episodes demonstrate serious deficiencies in knowledge, skill and professional ethics. I have documented a pattern of impaired professional practice which includes multiple instances of each of the following problematic behaviors:

1.Unsupervised practice by your lead psychotherapist.
2.Failure to supervise junior clinicians.
3.Failure to document client care.
4.Refusal to provide client records.
5.Misdiagnosis.
6.Failure to treat client’s condition.
7.Employing inappropriate treatments.
8.Use of “treatments” known to be ineffective or harmful.
9.Failure to obtain informed consent.
10.Willful circumvention of informed consent.
11.Engineering of consent.
12.Brainwashing.
13.Practice outside of area of training and competence.
14.Failure to remain informed of current knowledge and standards.
15.Failure to refer.
16.Economic exploitation of clients.
17.Sexual exploitation of clients.
18.Quackery.
19.Medical Fraud.
20.Mis-education and misinformation of clients.
21.False advertising.
22.Failure to observe professional boundaries.
23.Verbal Abuse of Clients.
24.Failure to obey Mandatory Child Abuse and Neglect reporting laws.
25.Failure to perform domestic violence screenings.
26.Endangerment of child and adult victims of domestic violence.
27.Failure to obey Tarasoff duty.
28.Failure to obey duty to protect.
29.Victim-Blaming.
30.Pathologizing natural human response to abuse.
31.Slander of clients.
32.Therapeutic abandonment.
33.Breech of confidentiality.
34.Failure to screen employee’s criminal records. (Only one instance of this being problematic)
35.Failure to provide a safe and non-hostile learning environment.
36.Failure to provide a safe and non-hostile therapeutic environment.
37.Encouraging idealizing transference and failure to analyze that transference.
38.Abuse of transference.
39.Failure to inform clients of grievance procedures.
40.Failure to provide authentic grievance process.
41.Willful refusal to incorporate current knowledge and standards into professional practice.
42.Injuring Clients.
43.Facilitation of child abuse.

June 21, 2005
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Overdue for a cease and desist order. Overdue for criminal prosecution.

All of those charges would shut them down for good. They have broken practically every rule of conduct and/or standard of practice in the counseling profession.

Do you have a lawyer involved with this?

June 21, 2005
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Hi CM

Not one for half-measures, me. Sueing is too good for them.

June 22, 2005
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But WD how will they really be stopped if they are not brought to justice through the legal system? These people do NOT have the ethics that say "gee, we are WRONG, we need to stop!"

Thanks WD and CODA Mom for all the info, this will make writing my letter all the better - BUT, WD, I really think that based on the information you have both provided a copy also needs to go to the news media, and the police in the area.

Had they let this woman out in their custody, we all know she would have gotten on a plane right back to where my son and his family live and this time? It would have been worse as her episodes of delusions and violence had been increasing over the years.

Don't you agree?

Z.

June 22, 2005
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Like I said, Zinnie, I am not one for half measures. I do apply measures in a step wise fashion, though. Your letter would be a nice finishing touch--one more voice that says "maybe WD isnt the only one who thinks we have a problem with domestic violence around here." (Oh, I refer to the stalkerbabe episode as DV because your son and she were once involved)

Yes, Zinnie you are correct--it is good that the judge thought Ms Hoff's letter was as stupid as we think it was. What was she thinking? I guess she was trying to "see the best in people."

So, it turns out that there are a couple of things that could reform them from within. One would be the early retirement of the lead therapist. He is actually the dangerous one. Colette is just a fuzzy headed new age doofus who thinks her husband can do no wrong. She means well, but she is a damn fool. For her I propose re-training. I am also asking for some reparations.

Should they refuse me, well, all heck is about to break loose.

So I am just hoping to add one more feather of conscience to the scale before I act. And when I do it will be forecefully.

I would suggest that you write to Colette, and also send the letter to the same address, but to "The Board of Convocation, a Church and Ministry." I am hoping to speak to them on Monday. It would be best if the letter could get there by Saturday, since the board meets on Sunday.

June 22, 2005
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Hey, Zin, here is part of what I have offered them...

….It is time to discuss what the ultimate consequences of these unfortunate events and circumstances are for me and for your organization. It is now appropriate to discuss remedies.

I have very definite ideas of positive changes that your organization needs to make if it is to be permitted to continue to offer a community mental health service and I would like to discuss those ideas with your staff. Those changes will actually benefit every process that your organization engages in. The very first changes you need to make is for the staff and board of Convocation to show respect for your clients, be willing to explain your actions, to accept critique of your logic, to accept responsibility for your actions and be willing to receive direction from more well-informed professionals…..

Successful resolution of this process ought properly to be your number one organizational priority. Should I experience any more denial, disrespect, patronization, abusive anger, verbal abuse, or in any way feel “blown off” by your organization, then my assessment will be that your organization has no intention to hold your staff accountable to a higher standard of practice, and therefore fully intends to continue to defraud, endanger and harm unsuspecting members of the general public.

Should I find that to be the case, my duty as a good citizen, and my duty as described by the Revised Code of Washington will call for the initiation of a series of interventions which I believe will rapidly neutralize most of your organization’s ability to do harm to any people who are not currently involved in your systems. I will begin by registering a complaint of theft by means of fraud with the Seattle Police department. I will be required by law to file a report with the Washington State Department of Health, whose secretary will also receive copies of my grievances and staff performance evaluations, minus the case studies for Ms. X and Ms. W. Those interventions will also involve the King and Mason county authorities as well as the Internal Revenue Service.

After that, my efforts will focus on public education, primarily by means of mass mailings, protests and the submission of a series of well-written and well-referenced articles to Communities Magazine, the Seattle Times, Cultic Studies Review, the Journal of Cultic Studies, the Journal of Family Violence, and the American Journal of Nursing.

Those interventions have been made ready and are currently scheduled to begin on Monday, June 27th, 2005, and mailings will be complete by 10 am that day. Picketing of your Community Center by a large and vocal group of domestic violence survivors and children’s rights advocates is scheduled for July 2nd, July 3rd, July 9th, and July 10th. Those demonstrations will be attended by the press.

June 23, 2005
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WD, sorry to interupt ...

Probably a dumb question on my part - why are you letting the Holy Shrinks know when you plan to picket & that the press will be there? Seems to be that gives them time to 'prepare' and even not be there.

Why are you not filing charges with the Seattle Police right away? Again, the more time they have... and you have been trying to get thru their thick skulls for a while now ... I can't imagine their behavior changing, unless it is to save their hides.

They didn't give you, or any of their other victims, warning to all the bad things they caused/created in your lives - why are you being so civil and kind to them? Knock them where it hurts & give them Hell.

You are not dealing with civil people here. Personally, I don't think you should hold anything back or give them any warning. From my understanding, in the Courts, they cannot be tried for the same crime twice, so blast them the first time around thoroughly & completely.

You go get them WD (and that is meant as supportive, not commanding).

All my best sent your way (((( WD ))))

I'll shush now.

Juanita

June 23, 2005
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I guess, Juanita, that it is my way to always try to go the route of education and restorative justice.

I am trying to separate the baby from the bath water. Wheter or not that will be possible depends on just how sick the organization that they work for turns out to be.

June 24, 2005
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WD,

You are a man of outstanding moral character (fact). You are doing things very intelligently and honorably (fact). Would that more people handled situations like you...

You are giving the organization a chance to prove they are not like their counsellors. Unfortunately, being a little cynical, I wonder how it would be possible that they have not heard about the grievances these 'counsellors' have caused over the years, and if they have heard of them, what (if anything) they have done to protect any future victims?

More power to you WD. You are a smart man. As I react a little more emotionally, I hope you nail these people to the wall and that the press is there to inform everyone. Once the press gets a hold on this story, unfortunately, I am sure more victims will surface.

More power to you, and all of them, to stand against these people.

J

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