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Your thoughts on the use of derogatory words on this site for women
April 20, 2006
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To any friends who are in conflict right now: Come on, lets be peaceful. If we dont like someone, we can avoid them and ignore them. There's been too much of this recently, of which I'm guilty of being a part too but its over. I dont want it anymore.

Lets at the least, not have conflicts like these. And then we could focus on feeling better. See if you can just halt this, and be determined not to start it again and fuel the fire. Let it die down, because, it doesnt do anyone any good. Alright then.

April 20, 2006
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The other day I was in the garage with my BF and my Mom (who speaks english as a second language) stops by to pick grapefruit off the tree next to the window in the garage.

All we hear is, "What the f*** is this? This is f***ing Bullsh**!" A few times.

My BF was looking at me all crazy like, oh my god is your mother ok?

She's just up in the ladder, cursing to herself and the poor grapefruit tree. She really has no idea, I swear. It's kind of funny.

April 20, 2006
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Can't we all just keep the bickering off this thread? We were doing very well.

I suppose my bias against harsher swear words spelt out on this site without a polite attempt to mask them with asterisks or what not is showing.

April 20, 2006
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yea..! Lets for once not fight. I think our lecture will work. Again, to anyone who doesnt like anyone else, just stay away from them. Recognize that your spending time with them isnt doing anything for you or anyone and so, be positive. Keep the negativity out of your life. Thats the least we can do.

April 21, 2006
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Maybe I'll get a T-shirt that says Accordion on it. No one will get the joke.

April 21, 2006
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Hi seeker and Guest_Guest.

This is the "Liberation Brew." We brew things here. Interesting things. We explore topics that can go beyond support for counseling issues. We nibble away at the edges of our won expectations and conventional knowledge.

The Jesus and Buddha Comedy Show? That was priceless, original, fresh material. And many people would find it patently offensive. Too bad. I liked it. It was liberating. It was a heady brew. It was inspiring and thought provoking and funny. I like funny. I keep tuning in hoping for an encore.

“If Evolution is True?” That thread could be soundly condemned by orthodox religion and also condemned by orthodox evolutionists. I am glad that I protect anonymity and don’t tell my little scientist friends about the cool thing we have going here. Do you have any idea how much ridicule and condemnation I would be subjected to by many scientists for even entertaining the arguments that we have had there? I say they need to have a sense of humor and read another thread if they find the “G” word to be so offensive.

"Lesbian and Christian?" That is a priceless conversation. And to some people, the very title of the thread is offensive. But if I find Leviticus being quoted in anger there I am going to have a royal conniption.

We talk about all kinds of things here in Liberation Brew. We can tell jokes. We can share recipes. We can talk about God. We can talk about evil. We can talk about science. We can talk about sex. We can talk about our spouse's and lover's ridiculous sexual demands. We can talk about all kinds of crazy crap. That freedom lets us accomplish some actual philosophy here.

I have made my boundary and limits very clear. I ask that people trust in my good intentions, respect the fact that I go out of my way to do research when I post here, and that I go out of my way to bring intellectual integrity to my posts.

I ask that we try to display maturity and a sense of humor and try to manifest acceptance. This is a gigantic “one room schoolhouse” and the student body here spans continents and generations, includes people from diverse cultures, from every economic class and of every ethnicity. Like the Supreme Court of the USA has said “One man’s profanity is another Man’s lyric.”

If we can accept that our own personal sense of political correctness is not universal, or even necessarily socially consensual, then we can see our way clear to civil behavior—to acceptance. A sense of humor goes a long way. In other words, we do not have the right to impose idiosyncratic values and standards of behavior on other people, no matter angry we are.

For example, by my stated values, it would be inappropriate for me to make a big deal out of someone incidentally using language like “male weaknesses” or the stronger sex,” or the word “weiner.” I hope that someone would notice that even though the “W” word was used in the context of intentional, sexually explicit denigration and humiliation of all men, that nobody, including me, had a cow about it. We just waited for the poster to self-correct, to return to center.

Really, I am not interested in fighting. There are cool conversations here that I would rather be engaging in.

But I am tired of having conversations diverted into personal attacks and anger directed at me.

That is three conversations that have recently been intentionally diverted and derailed by the controlling behavior of a few persons who prefer to attack and humiliate me rather than engage the interesting and worthwhile subject matter at hand. That is a form of trolling and it is, in my opinion, antisocial behavior. It is incredibly distracting. It is rude. It is not consistent with the guidelines.

And it pisses me off.

I hate being pissed off. It makes me stupid. It consumes my emotional energy. It clouds my mind. It delays me from responding to people who ask me direct questions.

But my anger and the anger of other people can also serve as a “flag,” a pointer to other very rich and worthwhile conversations. That is what I meant by “transforming” this thread. To let the conversations here stimulate not only our minds, but also our hearts. And that is where I want to go next.

April 21, 2006
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Hi Seeker,

Well, I am normally sparing in my use of most four letter words. Specifically, I think that the "F" word is best reserved for the context of erotic talk during intimate encounters between consenting adults.

The secondary use of the "F" word that I typically accept or employ is in the phrases

"What the F***?!"
Or "No F***ing way."

In the context of *this* topic, I have felt it necessary to just spell it out from time to time. My "reason" is not mainly about "proving a point" except to point out that it takes thousands of words to respond to people's emotional reaction to four stinking letters. My real "reasons" are a little more complex than that and I'll talk about that later if anyone cares.

Ginger,

Now you know that the "A" word is offensive to many musicians. It would function better for me if you were to spell that word out as a********.

:))

April 21, 2006
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well WD, since its the Lib Brew, the threads of those types can be handled by people who can refrain from not attacking, or not being effected by an attack (atleast most of the time?). For those who attack easily and who are effected by attack easily, maybe its a signal for both of them to know that they need to work on some issues. For example, you could not let the attacks get to you. You know you'll be in a mentally healthier place if you're able to resist attacks and only see the argument, not the way in which its said. Sure, its wrong to said it harshly (e.g. me guilty in the last big showdown for this) but its possible to just see the message for its value. OR if you're offended you can just ignore the person. You can do that too.

I'm just here because there's fewer threads. I feel I'll bother people if I start talking about my issues there in the main threads, there's so many people so I do it here, plus what I do sometimes does belong in the Lib Brew, i.e. for discussion.

I've stopped engaging myself in any intellectual discussions unless its for my mental health. But thats me, maybe some people can handle it more than me since they're more healthy.

April 21, 2006
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Hi WD,

{My real "reasons" are a little more complex than that and I'll talk about that later if anyone cares.}

I'd like to talk about this further, when you get a chance. I suspected you had such reasons.

I realize that most of what transpires between people is neither black nor white, but shades of gray. However, I find it very hard to believe that anybody can actually find beauty or uplifting 'lyric' in hearing somebody swear like a sailor. Just because the Supreme Court gives you the right to do something, doesn't necessarily mean it's a healthy thing to do.

I've had friends who've sworn quite a bit, but I always liked them in spite of their language, not because of it.

April 21, 2006
10:48 am
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I'd like to talk further on a new thread. Anybody else got long loading times with long threads?

April 21, 2006
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Not more threads on THIS topic. eeee. Infact thats a good idea. I can start copy pasting logn stuff into conflict threads so they're impossible to load. Atleast you'll get to read Hamlet. lol

April 21, 2006
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I've already read hamlet. And seen a horrible musical that was supposed to be a modern version of hamlet 8)

April 21, 2006
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Alright then, I'll have to dig up some obscure e-book no one has every read. Some aspiring author. We could do an online program like "American Author" and pass or fail the author by reading his stuff here. Ok j/k sorrrry. You guys can write and say what you want.

I feel fairly stable today, I guess thats apparent. Stable but still violatile. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Feel some excitement too. Why why. I think its cause I feel less groggy. How long will this last, 5 more seconds. Lets see if its still there after I hit the POST button. Oh my gosh see, its gone now. No it isnt, yes it is. Oh my goddddd. Hmm.

April 21, 2006
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guest_guest,

Come in to support sometime....you won't be bothering anyone!! I don't think I've ever read your story...why don't you write down how you are feeling, and see if anyone can help hey?

xx,
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April 21, 2006
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Lolli...

Did you really not like "The Vagina Monolouges"?

Wow, I thought it was brilliant, amazing, and visionary.

I laughed, cryed, screamed in pain and frustration, shouted in joy and pride.

The last segment...I think it is called, "I was there in the Room" or "I was there that day"...something like that...The one about watching a birth... About women being the givers of life... OMG, LOlli, I swear when I heard that I felt overwhelmed with joy, with pride in my femininity, with power and stregnth. It was the first time in my ENTIRE life that I felt like having a "Vagina" (being a girl/woman) was GOOD thing!!! For so long it had been a burden to me, something for someone to use me for and hurt me with. I had distanced myself so greatly from my own sex, my femaleness, my feminine body, I was lost.... And then I heard that monolouge and I FELT GOOD! PROUD! STRONG! BEAUTIFULL! SPECIAL!!!

OMG, I can not describe....

I LOVED the Vagina Monolouges... It was beautifully done, inspiring, and I recomend it to everyone, male and female.

My girlfriend...also a rape survivor, just had to do a reading in her speach class... She decided to do the monolouge, "My Vagina is my Villiage." She said that some people in the class cried. She came home beaming...empowered, strong, no longer quite so full of shame... I was so PROUD of her!!

Free

April 22, 2006
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Ginger,

I love the idea for your T-shirt. Maybe you could have it read: " 'Accordion' is a 4-letter instrument". That might be too obvious.

Seeker

April 22, 2006
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Rev
thanks, but I dont want to do that. I think what I want is a place where I can make a journal for myself. I'll think about it. Feeling low right now, will hopefully have a better day later

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