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Worried Dad, and MJ, please respond from Sew
March 2, 2005
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WD, and MJ,

I am throwing this post up here for obvious reasons. On Libs there is another post regarding our views about how much we can offer at this site to people asking for assitance. I am keeping in mind the mission, purpose and guidelines of this site. My question is this; how much information and guidance can we offer any minors who post here?

If the issue is possible abuse, can we offer them crisis hotline numbers, tell them what to do when they say they are having confusion with their parents/guardian? Just how far can we go to help them without putting this site and ourselves into a high risk situation? A good example of this may be the thread tited: "mama" on Support threads, or any of the 'cuttter' threads.

Also, I reference you both to the Support thread MJ you posted about emailing. I have posted my views about not taking what I personally have written on this site for her book, while the poster is still encouraging others to email her and to offer their stories to her. Apparently she did not heed your instructions or warning, MJ. I am not wearing clothes of an emperor, but my feathers are a bit ruffled about this.

Thank you regarding both these issues. This second issue I am not asking for feedback on as I trust your instincts will serve you well.

Sew

March 2, 2005
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My personal opinion is all I have to offer you sewunique. I am not a trained professional but I think that I possess some strong qualities and life experience.

If I had a child, I certainly would not want to know that she was on this site. I think the threads here have stronger content then I would want my child or grandchild reading.

I would try to direct the child to people in their world that are trusted and respected. I certainly wouldn't want to encourage their continal return to this sometimes very adult oriented site.

I think that jigsaw has support and continual encouragement to return and report is not healthy, but that is just my personal opinion. I definitely think her friends mom is capable of helping her stay safe from what she shares.

It also bothers me when she expresses she is tired...then is kept on longer. My granddaughters bedtime is 8:30. I would not want her sneaking off to the computer.

We have had young poster numerous times in the past who just want to express their feelings or be supported. I guess each one of us needs to trust our own instincts and follow our hearts and logic.
I am against abuse of any kind.

March 2, 2005
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Mj
Please see the second thread I referenced to you here. Again there is more action since I posted this. I am concerned what I see as qestionalbel appropritateness. Thank you Sew

March 2, 2005
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mj, excellent advise. Sew, this is a good process to follow I think.

March 2, 2005
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(expletive), sew, the ramifications of your third paragraph are staggering. I hadn't considered it prior to your post. I mean, I realize that it is open to all. Just google your moniker. guess what comes up? I am pretty sure that I have been compromised anyway, in terms of anonymity. But this! This has a chilling effect.

I am deeply concerned.

Gully

March 2, 2005
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Thank you MJ,

You made some excellant points, well said.

I also posted my sentiments on a new thread to bkc and marely in Support threads.

Mj, thank you for the other thing as well :-}

March 2, 2005
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Gully,

I have read your post twice and blow me over if I can figure out what you are saying to me or refering to? I never posted any web site in my third paragraph. If you were able to do this, then you have more talent or Sherlock Holmes in you than I.

I was trying to be polite and reversed two words in that paragraph, whch MJ understood.

Any way, I have spent too much time here tonite and I do need to care for my needs now. I will read it again, Gully; when rested and fed, my mind seens to function better. Strange process, hey?

Sew

March 2, 2005
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what does google your moniker mean?

like: gobbley-gook, a phrase or expression? I am indeed confused, or was that the purpose?

March 2, 2005
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Gully,

Do you understand which thread I am referencing to? If so, perhaps your post is clearer to me. What is a moniker?

March 2, 2005
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Well, the way that I read it was that someone had indicated that they were taking our postings and possibly incorporating them into a book. I usnderstand that if someone is soliciting emails and information about one of the members of the site, well, we are all adults and they can do what they want with THIER postings. I have no desire for someone to take my postings and publish them.

I don't even know who owns the copyright to the postings. AAC and SC? Myself? Does that mean that anyone can take my postings and publish them in a sort of eminent domain kind of thing? I am a very private person. Very private! I had been reading this site for several months, if not a year, before I even got up the courage to say anything. And now I hear that there may be a troll picking and choosing what to publish. That's what I mean by chilling. These are my words. These words are me. I have no problem telling poeople in the real world stuff about me and there is a hell of a lot of stuff that no one will ever hear. But It is my decision to tell someone.

It's bad enough that my EX?STBX?Roomie has appeared to have been reading this stuff that I have been posting. She is smart, very damned smart. And she knows me very well. And there has been shit happening in the last two weeks that indicate that she has been reading what I have been posting. But I can live with that. She probably did it out of concern. When I say I was mortally depressed, I mean everyone could see death on my face. But our marriage is over, so I can fucking handle that part. But it is still bothersome.

That is what I mean by having a chilling effect. It means that the mere fact that people may use my posting without my permission, or someone I know has found this site and made a connection to me causes me to adjust what I say, to stop being truthfull and honest and open and all the good things that this site is about.

When I said I was a paranoid mofo. I wasn't kidding. And I am feeling very paranoid right now.

Gully

PS: Do a google search using your nickname. you want to talk paranoid. If you ever told someone your nickname, they can find out everything that you talked about on this site.

March 2, 2005
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I am just tired. The idea that i said in my previous post was just the paranoia I exhibit when I get tired. I have to go to bed. I have to work tomorrow. I guess I can't worry about it.

March 2, 2005
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Moniker is a name or a nickname.

March 3, 2005
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Gully, that is scary..where did the anomynity go?

March 3, 2005
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Jeez, guys, I leave the room for a minute and all hell breaks loose. Multiple cans of worms. What a mess.

Ok, a little tired and cranky here. Doesn't mean I dont love you.
Ok. Waking up.

Keep in mind that on the suppot threads, I focus on threads that have the word "abuse" in the title, so I am rather in the dark here.

Morally speaking, every person here needs to know that our words can affect other people.

If we aren't careful, we might misinform somebody, give them awful advice, or just hurt their feelings. So beyond following posting guidelines, just be try to refrain from giving advice about critical things that might lead to harm.

I dont think that giving somebody a crisis hotline number can possibly harm them, for example.

I normally have low paranoia. For a while now, Ive been hypersensitive, and when triggered, I have had a cow. Like, when women get angry at me, touch me angrily, say things about my sexuality, or act like they want to be intimate with me and so forth. Mooo. Phoney brain surgeons bug me too, but fortunately they are easy to detect.

But I like having low paranoia, even if it gets me in trouble sometimes, know what I mean? I am already an intense person, if I were very paranoid I would be insufferable.

When someone says they have a problem, it is my way to believe them, and to give them information which I know to be helpful to someone in that situation. Like I have said before, I am still triggerable and and believe I have a lot to learn about how to apply ethics to the subject of giving advice to minors.

The best I can say is that I have a strong, instinctive imperative to protect children, and as a professional, I am obedient to mandatory reporting laws.

Fortunately, on an anonymous site like this one, nobody can ever accuse me of not obeying those laws. I don't know really who you are, and I don't want to know. If you try to tell me I will cross my eyes, cover my ears, and sing "dumbdeedumbdeedum." Not that I don't have affection for you.

Legally speaking, I don't believe that a website coordinator can be held liable for the ramblings of anaonymous posters like me.

If the static content of the site offered really, really unwise advice, like "The best cure for depression is to drink lots of alcohol mixed with lots of barbiturates," then maybe, just maybe someone could get in trouble.

But maybe not even then. There's probably a disclaimer around here somewhere that says "For educational purposes....to best the of our knowledge....this site is not a substitute for the advice of a professional...if WD tells you to leave your battering husband and you then proceed to marry a blonde brain surgeoon from Ghana don't blame us," and so forth.

March 3, 2005
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Re: search engines and anonymity....

As Robert Heinlein says, you can make something fool-proof, but you can never make it damnfool-proof. So not telling people in your life about the site, and choosing your nickname wisely are a good idea.

Covering your tracks, deleting cookies and history files when using a computer that others use is also a good idea.

It has occurred to me that there might, just might be a way to google-proof the support threads, although it is probably too much hassle.

My understanding is that search engines work by having "spider programs" browse web pages and collect addresses and certain words that then get added to a giant index somewhere.

I don't think they can get stratight to the content of the support threads...may be wrong on that one.

If viewing the support threads title page required a user to log on with a user name and password, that would stop the spiders from viewing and indexing the support threads, wouldn't it?

March 3, 2005
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WELL DOGGONE IT WD GLAD YOU'RE BACK

SORRY I AM NOT SHOUTING HERE, CANNOT SEE WITHOUT PX GLASES

EVERY FRICKEN THING I HAVE POURED OUT HERE, WELL HELLL, MIGHT AS WELL WRITE THAT BOOK I STARTED, THO FORGET ABOUT ROYALTIES

SORRY, JUST A BIT ANNOYED RIGHT NOW

SEW, WANT MY NAME TOO?
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March 3, 2005
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OK, BREATHING SLOWLY, I AM A BIT BETTER.

OK, GOT WHAT YOU SAID WD. HOWEVER, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO GET ALL THE THREADS YOU HAVE EVER WRITTEN ON GOOGLE? NOT JUST THRU SEARCHING, BUT AFTER YOU GOOGLE IN A NAME? THEN YOU CAN GET THE FULL LIST AFTER THAT? I AM SURE YOU CAN. THAT IS WHAT AN WORRIED ABOUT. EVERY THREAD WILL POP UP. NOT AN OCCASSIONAL ONE WHILE SOMEONE IS OUT THERE SEARCHING FOR THIS OR THAT. THIS IS A MAJOR CONCERN AND I REALLY WONDER IF THE OWNER HERE EVEN REALIZES THIS? AFTER ALL, HEART AND SOUL, TIME AND MONEY WERE POURED INTO DEVEOPING THIS SITE. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THERE WERE A STONGER, BETER WAY TO PROTECT NOT ONLY THOSE POSTING HERE, BUT THIS SITE AS WELL.

JUST MY CONCERNS I THOUGHT WORTH MENTIONING.

AGAIN, MY APOLOGY FOR THE TOTAL CAPS.

March 3, 2005
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WELL, I NEVER TOLD ANYONE MY NICK NAME, SO PERHAPS I AM SME FROM THOSE I PERSONALLY KNOW WHO WISH ME HARM.

WHAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO USE YOUR ADDY NAME? THEN YOU CAN BE STUCK. THING IS, MY NAME IS QUITE DESCRIPTIVE, FOR MANY REASONS. SO THREFORE I WORRY.

ENOUGH DRAMA FOR TONITE.

March 3, 2005
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SINCE WE HAVE EVERYTHING OUT IN THE OPEN HERE, THE THREAD IN QUESTION WAS SOMETHING LIKE;RE; MOTHER ISSUES...EMPERORSCLOTHES.I THINK THE PROBLEM IS OBSOLETE RIGHT NOW.

March 3, 2005
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Sew, everyone

I am so sorry. I was tired and when I read about someone maybe using the postings, I got scared and angry.

I hadn't even thought of someone using their IM addy name or anything like that here.

I don't, however, the name I choose has significance for me. If my wife or one of my sons came to this site, they would be drawn to my nickname, because they know me. I know that my STBX has been to this site and read my postings. She brought up some issues that I had posted one day or so after I did so. I would downsize my screen when someone came in the room, but I know that she read the address site that is down at the bottom of the screen. Then the next morning or so, she brought up two particulars that were mentioned in my "appropriate anger" post. Then on Mon nite, she had coffee set up for me when I came home, cause I had mentioned to SweetAmanda that I might stay up late that night after work.

It doesn't bother me like it would others. My marriage is over. has been for a while. I guess I really am different and my situation is quite different than others in that respect.

For 99.9% of all of us, this is anonymus. I am not terribly computer savvy, but I am very computer literate.

But the idea that someone might profit from what I say, without my permission, really opened my eyes. I clear all the history and cache, but you need the cookie to post. I know how to find cookies. No computer is completely safe. All it takes is one momentary lapse and prying eyes and there you go.

So everyone has to think of their own situation. I have considered mine. But I am not leaving just yet. I am going to consider this more and then decide what I am going to do.

I have made some wonderful friendships here. i hate the idea that I may never talk to them again.

I am sorry. I truly am sorry to have opened this can of worms.

Gully

March 3, 2005
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Gully,

Dear, how can you be sorry for opening this can of worms? Thank God and Bless You that you did.

I to am kinda like you as I don't have much out there to see about myself; but my friends here.... some have enough out there to be hung. I am not computer literate. Thank God the person that figured out what you said is.

Please do not feel bad. I love this site too. But the breach is had for anyone to see. What do we do to protect our fellow family members here? Suggestions? Advice?

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Gully, I'm sorry I had to jump off for a minute. In finding the things here I also found a site of a friend that is also exposed so am calling her. I will be back, but mostly I just wanted you to see my post to you. Thank God for you Gully.
You've had my admiration before, guess you got a piece of my heart now too. 🙂 Please don't feel bad. You've saved alot by your words. I know several very appreciative folks.

March 3, 2005
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This site has excellent resources.

I found this on the information and resource part of this site this a.m. and wanted to share it with all.

Public Interest Initiatives

Protecting Our Children From Abuse and Neglect

Caring Adults: What A Child Needs Most
Children depend on many adults as they grow up. Parents, relatives, teachers and child care workers all provide children with love, support and guidance.

No one wants to see children grow up with fear, anger or neglect. But no one is born knowing how to care for children. Sometimes we make mistakes that hurt them.

Whether you are a parent, a teacher, a relative or a caregiver, you can make a difference and help the children you love grow up in a caring, loving environment. Adults don't have to be perfect — just willing to listen, learn, grow, and change.

Why Do Adults Hurt Children?
Carlos came home from work in a foul mood. Seven-year-old Miguel ran out of the kitchen just as his father walked in, and they ran into each other. Carlos cursed and grabbed his son. He shook Miguel hard while yelling at him, and then shoved him out of the way. The next day, Miguel's arms and back had bruises.

It takes a lot to care for a child. A child needs food, clothing, and shelter as well as love and attention. Parents and caregivers want to provide all those things, but they have other pressures, too. Sometimes adults just can't provide everything their children need.

Adults may not intend to hurt the children they care for. But sometimes adults lose control, and sometimes they hurt children.

Why do adults hurt children?
There are many reasons:

Because they lose their tempers when they think about their own problems
Because they don't know how to discipline a child
Because they expect behavior that is unrealistic for a child's age or ability
Because they have been abused by a parent or a partner
Because they have financial problems
Because they lose control when they use alcohol or other drugs
What is Child Abuse?
This is an example of physical child abuse.

Teresa had just changed 18-month-old Dale's dirty diaper when he had another messy diaper; this made Teresa angry. She thought that putting him in hot water would punish him for the dirty diaper. When she put him in the tub, he cried loudly. Teresa slapped him to stop the crying and didn't notice the scald marks until after the bath was over.

Examples of physical child abuse
Shaking or shoving
Slapping or hitting
Beating with a belt, shoe, or other object
Burning a child with matches or cigarettes
Scalding a child with water that is too hot
Pulling a child's hair out
Breaking a child's arm, leg, or other bones
Not letting a child eat, drink, or use the bathroom
What is Sexual Child Abuse?
This is an example of sexual child abuse.

Nine-year-old Susan's mother works at night. Her stepfather James is around when she goes to bed, so many evenings James lies down beside Susan. As she goes to sleep, he rubs her breasts and genital area.

Examples of sexual child abuse
Fondling a child's genitals
Having intercourse with a child
Having oral sex with a child
Having sex in front of a child
Having a child touch an older person's genitals
Using a child in pornography
Showing X-rated books or movies to a child
What is Child Neglect?
This is an example of neglect.

John worked nights at the grocery store, but the family needed more money. Ellen looked for work, but the only job she could find required her to leave home at 3 a.m. The children, ages two and six, were alone for a few hours until John got home.

Examples of child neglect
Not meeting a child's need for food, clothing, shelter or safety
Leaving a child unwatched
Leaving a child in an unsafe place
Not seeking necessary medical attention for a child
Not having a child attend school
Why Do Abuse and Neglect Happen?
Parents and caretakers don't always know that they are being abusive or neglectful. Few adults actually intend to hurt or neglect children.

Sometimes a caretaker just doesn't know a better way to discipline a child. Sometimes an adult is just too frustrated with life and takes it out on a child.

An adult is more likely to abuse or neglect a child

If the caretaker was abused as a child
If the caretaker is being abused by a spouse or partner
If the caretaker uses alcohol or other drugs
If the adult expects too much of a child
If the child is the result of an unplanned pregnancy
Some adults don't know how to correct a child without causing physical harm. An adult who has this problem can learn new ways to discipline without hurting a child.

Look for times when the child is behaving well. Praise that behavior.
Agree on a code word to use when things reach the boiling point. The code word signals that everyone needs some time to cool down before talking about the problem.
When a child misbehaves, give the child a "time-out" — a few minutes alone to think about what happened.
Talk to the child about the misbehavior and its effects.
Sometimes, parents and caretakers need to learn to control their own anger. They need to identify the things that make them more likely to hurt the children in their care.

Caretakers who abuse or neglect a child might be

Worried about not having enough money
Having problems with spouses or partners
Coping with a family member's illness or death
Acting the way their parents acted
Stressed from their jobs or other problems
Expecting unrealistic behavior — for example, thinking a 5-year-old can handle the same tasks as a 9-year-old, and do them as well.
Often people who abuse or neglect children experience more than one of these situations at the same time.

Hurting a child or not filling a child's basic needs never makes things better. No matter what the problem, help is available.

Do You Know a Child Who Is Abused or Neglected?
Brenda's teacher saw signs of neglect.

In the preschool class, four-year-old Brenda always seemed tired. Brenda never brought food for snack time, and she looked hungrily at other children's sandwiches. Her classmates teased her because her hair was always dirty.

Paul saw signs of physical child abuse.

Paul lived next door to the Harris family, where someone always seemed to be yelling or crying. One night Paul heard glass break, then a man's shouting and a loud thump. Ten-year-old Keisha ran out the door a few seconds later, crying. Her face was swollen with the start of a black eye.

The effects of child abuse can last a lifetime. An abused or neglected child needs help right away. Is a child you know being abused or neglected?

Warning Signs of Abuse and Neglect
Cuts and bruises
Broken bones or internal injuries
Burns
Constant hunger or thirst
Lack of interest in surroundings
Dirty hair or skin, frequent diaper rash
Lack of supervision
Pain, bruising, or bleeding in the genitals
More knowledge about sex than is normal for the child's age
Hard-to-believe stories about how accidents occurred
What Happens to Abused and Neglected Children?
Abuse and neglect have harmful effects on children. At worst, a child could die. More often, abused or neglected children live with fear or pain.

Abused or neglected children often experience

frequent injuries
learning problems
fear or shyness
bad dreams
behavior problems
depression
fear of certain adults or places
The effects don't end when the abuse or neglect stops. When abused or neglected children grow up, they are more likely to

abuse their own families
use violence to solve their problems
have trouble learning
have emotional difficulties
attempt suicide
use alcohol or other drugs
Abuse and neglect are hard on the whole family. Some families need help in dealing with practical problems — for example, getting help to buy groceries or learning how to discipline a child without resorting to violence. In other cases, a child protection agency might move abused or neglected children away from their parents to a safe, temporary home. If abuse or neglect is severe, or if it continues, the children can be permanently moved away from their parents into a safe situation.

How Can We End Abuse and Neglect?
Sometimes, people are afraid to report abuse or neglect because they don't want to break up a family. Sometimes, people are afraid to get involved in someone else's problem.

When you report suspected child abuse or neglect, you could be saving that child's life.

The goal of stopping abuse and neglect is to keep children safe. Part of keeping children safe is finding help for the adults who have hurt them. Adults who have abused or neglected a child have many places to turn for help.

The child's doctor can explain children's needs at every age. He or she can recommend places to learn more about parenting and child care.
Local health and social service departments often have parenting classes. Social service workers also can help parents get assistance to ease their financial situations.
Hospitals and community centers often have classes on stress reduction, parenting, discipline, and nutrition.
Psychologists, counselors, and social workers can help parents and caregivers deal with problems like drug use, anger, and previous experiences of abuse.
Religious groups often provide food, counseling, and other types of support for anyone in the community — not just their members.
If you see that a relative, neighbor, or friend is under a lot of stress and might hurt children in their care, suggest that the person get help from one of these services. Stop the problem before it starts.

What Should I Do If I Suspect a Child Is Being Hurt?
Report your suspicion to a local, county or state child protection agency. Call a crisis hotline or find the agency number in the blue government pages of a telephone directory.

Who Must Report Abuse?
In every state, the following people are required by law to report suspected abuse:

doctors
nurses
dentists
mental health professionals
social workers
teachers
day care workers
law enforcement personnel
In some states, clergy, foster parents, attorneys, and camp counselors also are required to report abuse. In about 20 states, any person who suspects abuse is required to report it.

When you make a report, the agency will make a judgment about how serious the situation is. If necessary, a child protection worker will visit the family to see whether abuse or neglect has occurred and to determine what needs to be done. The goals of child protection are to

stop the abuse
give needed services to the family
help the family become safe and loving
No child should have to live in fear of abuse or neglect.

Protect the children you love — help stop child abuse and neglect.

Where to Go for Help
Several organizations can provide information and advice about child abuse and neglect:

American Humane Association
63 Inverness Drive East
Englewood, CO 80112-5117
(303) 792-9900
http://www.americanhumane.org

Child Help USA
15757 North 78th Street
Scottsdale, AZ 85260
(800) 4-A-CHILD
http://www.childhelpusa.org

American Bar Association Center on Children and the Law
740 15th Street, NW, 9th floor
Washington, DC 20005-1009
(202) 662-1720
http://www.abanet.org/child

American Professional Society on the Abuse of Children
407 South Dearborn, Suite 1300
Chicago, IL 60605
(312) 554-0166
http://www.apsac.org

Family Violence and Sexual Assault Institute
1121 East S.E. Loop 323, Suite 130
Tyler, TX 75701
(903) 534-5100

National Clearinghouse on Child Abuse and Neglect Information
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
PO Box 1182
Washington, DC 20013
(800) FYI-3366
http://nccanch.acf.hhs.gov

National Committee to Prevent Child Abuse
332 S. Michigan Avenue, Suite 1600
Chicago, IL 60604-4357
(312) 663-3520
(800) CHILDREN — info. on getting involved/preventing abuse
(800) 55-NCPCA — info. on parenting/abuse
http://www.childabuse.org

National Organization for Victim Assistance
1730 Park Road NW
Washington, DC 20010
(800) TRY-NOVA
http://www.try-nova.org

Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network
635B Pennsylvania Avenue SE
Washington, DC 20003
(800) 656-HOPE
http://www.rainn.org

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I did a goggle search this morning like was suggested using nicknames and sure enough they point back to this site. Makes you really think.

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Good post,MJ

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My thoughts:

People have been amazed and even praised and encouraged me to be open. I have, it was my choice. We all have heard warnings about hackers, trolls etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. We have to be savy what we say or do, here or anywhere in live. I put out what I needed to do to get thru many issues, rather than use professionals. I have been that route before. Again, it was my decision to be open; i feel I have grown from it.

I have gained much from here in putting myself out there and have given much to others (hopefully). It has been my choice.

We need to be aware of this cyberworld and to be cautious. After all, why are there firewalls and other devices to protect computers? There is a reason for it. How many truly do the tasks of cleaning up their PCs like we should? the point is to be aware, to learn what is going on and take the necessary steps for precautions.

So your name can be googled. My name is close to me. But my business name is a bit different. There are many versions of sew unique, sew designs, sew much fun, etc that when I tried to set up my name a couple years ago, I tried many versions as my choices were already taken. Sew unique is not so different in being used for a business name.

So, I feel pretty okay with letting it go. as for the connection to here, as WD explained, perhaps something can be done. Perhaps a disclosure or some statement can be added to the Home Page to make people who come here to be more aware. Maybe a suggestion one does not use a name that is connected to them would be helpful, as when you first enter here to join, one does not realize that that name sticks with you. I have now learned that from going into other sites as well. Live and learn.

I love this site. It has been good to me and served me well. I have felt great about giving what I can for others. I truly love you all as dear friends. You touch my heart and have been with me, as boring as that can be over and over.

I have much respect for SC,who always has been responsive and caring and suppportive whenever I have contacted SC. This site is SC's heart and soul, bringing it from infancy to a full grown productive site with wonderful people. SC's heart and soul, time and personal money went in building this site. It is a great place to be. I am
staying.

Sewunique

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