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Why is it that The Catholic Bible is different (longer) from Protestant Bible?
April 11, 2006
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I have Christian friends from all Christian denominations. Once, I was browsing into Catholic Bible and wanted to find out a verse from my own Bible (Protestant one). I was so astonished when that chapter in the old testament did not exist at all. (I can't recall the name of that chapter). I asked a Christian woman about that, she said that the Protestant Bible has eliminated some stuff which the Roman Catholic church prefered to preserve.

Those among you who are Catholics, have you noticed that? What do you think of it? Why? How does it affect you...etc?

What is your take on this all of you, any ideas, thoughts, infos, suggestions, comments? How do we interpret this? Is it fair? Does it eliminate the authenticity of the Holy Bible as the Word of God or diminish some vital infos for us esp those who are Protestant Christians?

Opinions from All Christian Denominations please!

Thanks!~Ras~

April 11, 2006
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The Catholic Bible is the closest in organized religion to be kept for intents and purposes "as is."

The Protestant (later migrating to the New American Standard) Bible, now referred to as "The King James Version" is referred to the King James version because it was King James that edited it down, including removing the Book of Sirach - which is the book that you are speaking about. It is contained in the Hebrew Bible as well.

The book of Sirach, is in fact one of my favorite books of the Bible. However, speculation has always been that essentially King James did not agree with what the Book of Sirach spoke of, so he cut it out. Whether or not this is true, I don't know - but, the chapter does in fact go into great detail on how to live a good life.

If you are interested, there are some books and publishings by Dr. Margaret Sena that deal with the Catholic Church in the Reformation years and how the Reformation impacted modern civilization. Dr. Sena aslo goes into detail about another version of the Bible, that while it is comparitively the same as the Catholic Bible, it is the original translations from Hebrew and Greek and gives even further insite into what the original authors were saying.

Z.

April 11, 2006
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Hi Rasputin,

The history of the evolution of the Catholic Church from it's beginnings with Constantine is fascinating, as is the Reformation, which is where all other christian denominations were birthed.

The paragrah below is from a website because I am just too lazy to word it myself. I edited out the reasons why the protestants decided not to include these books and stuck with which books were excluded.

I you'd like to get into that, so be it, but religious discussions concerning catholic vs. protestant can quickly turn into debates.

The Catholic church has traditionally regulated the type of Bible translation used in the church. For centuries, the only version authorized for use was the Latin Vulgate, a translation from the original languages by Jerome, in around 400 A.D. This Bible reads very similar to Protestant translations, however with a major exception. The Catholic version contains the Apocrypha, a collection of seven complete books and a few additions to others. Two books, Judith and Tobit tell of the Assyrian and Babylonian invasions. Two more, 1st and 2nd Maccabees record the Jewish war of independence of around 165 B.C. Two more, Ecclesiasticus and Wisdom of Solomon, are considered books of wisdom. Another is an addendum to Jeremiah, and there are short additions to Esther and Daniel.

Excellent question, by the way.

April 11, 2006
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After looking over my previous post, I felt I needed to clarify something before I get beat over the head.

What I should have written concerning Constantine was that he was the engine behind Catholic Church "tradition", not the beginning of the Catholic Church.

Sorry for the faux pas. 🙂

April 11, 2006
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Editing and re-compiling religious (and other types of) writings is a human trait. It's one of the things we do.

Protestantism is a revolutionary response to Catholic orthodoxy--some of that was religiously and philosophically motivated and some of it was politically motivated. Remember that for a long time, most people could not even read, much less argue or edit the literature of the Bible.

The revolution about interpretation of scripture happened in part because there were more books and more readers. And the readers of religious literature took it seriously, and didn't like the mix of spiritual authority and secular authority.

The Bible has been edited even more extensively since the Protestant Revolution.

Thomas Jefferson edited and compiled what has come to be known as the "Jefferson Bible" and as far as I am concerned it is an authoritative text on the teachings of Jesus. Google "The Gospel According to Jesus" for more commentary on that one.

The Bible has been edited many times since then. Stuff gets added and taken out depending on the sensibilities of the particular editors.

Buddhist editors make a big deal of the Sixth Commandment, for example. Many sincere Buddhists feel it is wrong to kill even a flea or a fly or a tapeworm, and there is something to be said for their arguments.

WD's Holy Bible for Students of Religion is composed of the Ten Commandments and the Jefferson Bible.

WD's special edition of the Bible reads, in its entirety:

"Love God. Love Thy Neighbor. Thou Shalt Not Kill."

WD's special esoteric edition of the Bible Reads:

"Love others as I have loved you and you will know the meaning of Love."

WD's extra special edition of the Bible which I believe sums it up very well reads:

"Love."

But that's just me. Every editor has their own agenda.

April 12, 2006
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The Catholic Bible contains the Apocrypha...books found at later dates or were not accepted by King James.

There are many scrolls yet to be translated, much less found. Wonder who will have a say so about them?

Are you aware that Thomas Jefferson edited and published his own Bible?

Prayer for wisdom is the key.

April 13, 2006
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Thank you all for your responses and feedback. They really helped shed lights on so many things. I am still searching for answres and will probably continue to ask some other Christians about this matter.

April 15, 2006
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To ras and anyone else interested

There is a publication called "The Apocrypha The Authorized Version of the Books That Are Not in the Bible"
Edited by Manuel Komroff

It is presented in King James version without the column and verse numbers.

My copy came from Barnes and Noble for $8.00. Just in case anyone is interested.

salem

April 15, 2006
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Thanks Salem for this infos which are as valuable as the prior posts.

Right now I am asking some Christian fellows at my church ans see what they say.

April 16, 2006
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Ras,

I would also suggest looking up some of the writings of Dr. Margaret Sena of Princeton University. Very interesting reading and Dr. Sena is a gifted and thorough researcher.

I hope you enjoy your quest.

Z.

April 16, 2006
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Thanks Zinnie for the tip. No, I did not forget about Dr. Sena. It's just that I like to take it one step at a time so that I don't feel overwhelmed.

Thanks again and Happy Easter to you and all my friends here!

XOXOXO~Ras~

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