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Why do you think there is so much sadness in people lifes?
August 7, 2008
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Just reading the treads-people on meds for depression I'm wondering why are we so sad?

August 7, 2008
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Kuz we're in Hell doing time for a crime we are not consciously aware of.

Just a thought.

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August 7, 2008
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sadness, we are sad because we're afraid. Afraid of something or the other, little things or big things.

When we're afraid, we dont do what we really want to do and then we get sad. Thats it.

August 7, 2008
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I guess it would depend on who you ask.

I tend to think that there really are other people who lead lives not drenched in sadness.

While it is true that prescriptions for anti-depressents are probably at an all time high, I can't honestly say for sure just why this is.

It's a good question to ponder.

Do you think that maybe this current generation just has a hard time in general accepting and processing disappointment?

I dunno.

I have noticed here lately, not sure if this relates or not, but I have noticed that people just don't seem to say "I'm sorry" anymore.

When I was growing up and you did something wrong towards another person, I was expected to humble up and say that I was sorry when I was clearly in the wrong.

Now days, I don't often hear parents telling their kids to "go over there and say you are sorry."

Maybe the general, blanket absence of this makes us sad because it does not validate us when we have been wronged.

just a thought.

August 8, 2008
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"The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n." - from the mystic John Milton's Paradise Lost.

What "is", just "is". The mind is the adjudicator that interprets what it perceives. Based on the mind's criteria for what favors or hinders the 'self's' well being, it triggers off either joyful and/or pleasurable or sorrowful and/or painful emotions. Sadness is simply a negative emotional state maintained by negative thoughts about the mind's perceptions of its perceived external and internal reality.

If one can understand and control the mind then one has control over the emotions/moods. Have a 'monkey mind' and have a rollercoaster ride on negative emotion/mood swings.

The illusion of 'victimhood' is a very strong prison with open doors. But we who are trapped inside this prison cannot seem to see the open door of our tiny cell and the absence of prison guards.

August 8, 2008
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wow u guys should write books!!!

So wise u all are 🙂

are we all looking for something that dosen't exist???

August 8, 2008
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i think people (in rich nations) are sad because they have time to be sad.

they have the luxury of being sad.

they don't have to spend their time searching for food or water or shelter or safety.

so they should be happy that they can be sad.

August 8, 2008
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Lewis.

You posed the question:

"are we all looking for something that dosen't exist???"

Happiness is a by-product of a peaceful and content mind. To seek happiness through permanently fulfilling all of our needs over and above our most fundamental needs for food, water, a bed to sleep in, a roof over our head, and good health is to ultimately produce the opposite effect; that is,a disturbed, grasping, unsatisfied mind.

If I want to go to a certain town to get something, it is pointless to get on a train that is going in the opposite direction. Yet that is what the majority of people seem to be doing. They are on a fool's errand seeking happiness where none is to be found. Sadness in their lives is inevitable.

August 9, 2008
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I think sadness and happiness are barometers. When we are doing something or are with someone we love, we enjoy, it lifts us up...makes us happy, we have a feeling of accomplishment or fulfillment. We feel good about ourselves, those around us and the universe.

If we are doing something that does not make us happy or with someone we are not happy with, it brings us down, makes us unhappy..and we feel that we have 'settled' for less than what we desired or deserved. We feel bad about ourselves and are angry with ourselves and turn that anger inwards (which creates depression) and we see others around us and the universe......as being hostile.

August 9, 2008
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So this a.m. I'm sitting with my daughter having a cigarette and she says "have you seen spider?" (the cat) and i said "yeah she's in the house" and she says "well something got killed last night, I think it was a rabbit kuz it screamed"

We back up against the woods and there are coyotes, lots of them.

It screamed.

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August 9, 2008
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(((free)))

Did that thought of a rabbit killed by coyotes...or the thought that your daughter realized that something ... a rabbit...was killed ..and she had heard the scream....make you sad?

August 10, 2008
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lovin life
Very true! We must not have enough to do when we are sitting around poundering-maybe if we went back to basics then we would be happier?

Tez
i like what you said about the train, very true.

We are strange us humans!!

Free-I don't see where the rabbit story fits in??

August 10, 2008
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Interesting thread. We really do live in our world of thoughts all the time. We perceive others and situations through our thoughts. If we could learn to replace all the negative ones with positive ones every time a negative thought comes to mind, I think we would feel much more at peace. Worrying about things does not help or change anything. Only doing something positive about it does. Even if the only positive thing we can do at the time is listening to good tapes or reading good books. I find we need to change the pattern of our thinking and sometimes just taking a walk doesn't do it unless we're listening to something while we're walking. Exercise is very helpful speaking of which I need to get moving. Always feel better after the effort has been made to just do it. Seratonin perhaps. 🙂

August 10, 2008
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Hi Tumbleweed 🙂

It seems to me that life is learning the art of master and servant.

August 10, 2008
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There is a devil. He is not just a Halloween costume. He is real. And his goal is to destroy your soul. Your soul emcompasses your will, your mind (thought life) and emotions/feelings.

I have met many people who are struggling through sorrowful, sometimes tragic, life circumstances. Yet, many astound me with the peace and JOY with which they face these challenges. For them, God's Presence, His hope and His comfort make the difference in this war against the enemy of their souls. And it is a WAR.

Sorrow is only one of his (the devil's) weapons.

- Ma Strong

August 10, 2008
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hi rb- It makes me sad that the rabbit, or whatever it was, screamed.

lewis- I wasn't really trying to fit in the story or impart any wisdom, I was just kinda sharing. These kind of things make me sad and there's nothing that can be done about them because this is the world we live in.

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August 10, 2008
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Free.

There is something very poignant in the imagery conjured up by your words:

"... well something got killed last night, I think it was a rabbit kuz it screamed"

We back up against the woods and there are coyotes, lots of them.

It screamed."

The movie The "Silence of the Lambs" springs to mind - the poignant, pitiful scream of the helpless, dying lambs followed by an obscene silence.

Then all the nice, gentle Christian people sit down to their Sunday roast lamb dinner after thanking their Lord God for what they are about to receive.

What sort of a dichotomy in beliefs is that? After reverently swallowing the Sacrificial Lamb in the Euchurist they gleefully devour another kind of sacrificial lamb no less sacred??

August 10, 2008
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Dang, Tez...what made you so bitter against Christians as a "group?" That sounds so judgmental. WHOA.

Someone must have stung you badly, to make you so offensively, blatantly bitter against anyone who loves Jesus?

- Ma (one of those "nice, gentle Christian people...although I don't eat lamb. Do YOU?)

August 11, 2008
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This kind of thing has disturbed me greatly since I was a small child and I've never been able to make peace with it.

All living things on this earth suffer, from the small child being raped and tortured, to the tree that can't escape the approaching fire. It can't be stopped.

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August 11, 2008
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" ... one of those "nice, gentle Christian people...although I don't eat lamb. Do YOU?"

Not since as a gungho born again Christian, I slaughtered one out of what I believed was a necessity to feed my young family many, many years ago. Of course then I was mindlessly, unquestioningly swallowing all that came out of the mouths of those who claimed to know the will of their Christian God in whom I uncritically believed. But lucky for me, nagging thoughts about the incongruity between what I was led to believe and the reality around me shattered the schackles of the Christian delusions and freed me from this superstitious belief system.

You added:

"Dang, Tez...what made you so bitter against Christians as a "group?" That sounds so judgmental."

Diagnosing me as being 'bitter' to me seems judgmental in itself. What made you so judgmental?

That you probably cannot see this in yourself, goes to the core of my point about the lack of Christian mindfulness or is it 'blinkered vision' perhaps?

Is your faith that weak that the slightest criticism of hypocritical Christian behavior triggers off your insecurities and rocks your 'faith boat'?

If you are fair dinkum then address my primary question launched here many times in the past and which is as yet unanswered.

If an omnipotent, omniscient, unconditionally loving God exists then please explain the existence of all the horrendous evils in this world?

If you give me the tired, old, naive answer that it is because of 'free will' and the 'original sin' of Adam and Eve then I will know that you have never thought this biblical nonsense contained in Genesis through at all.

If you say that we are being 'tested' to see if we will pass some rediculous test or wager such as is found in the Book of Job then I will have even less regard for the level of your intellectual abilities.

If you say that God and Satan are locked in a struggle for possession for our non-existent 'souls' then I will completely understand the level of your mental development.

The only answer that makes the slightest skerrick of sense is that since God is all powerful, all knowing and unconditionally loving then evil exists because it is in our best interests that it does.

Then of course comes the next question: How is Auschwitz in the best interests of all the Jews who suffered so badly under the Nazi jackboot? At one stage as a gungho Christian I partially satisfied myself with this answer: "God wants to experience vulnerability through us. How else could God know what it is like to have an erupting amygdala except through our fear? We must be God in ignorance of our true nature."

That answer didn't stand the test of close scruting. This answer meant that God plays games with himself and enjoys both giving and receiving pain. God would then be the supreme sadist/masochist playing a very evil game indeed. Thus God could no longer be considered unconditionally loving.

So what is your answer? Please don't say "Faith in the Lord or 'personal connections'. These are not rational answers. They justify belonging to any one of the world's many conflicting theistic religions.

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Oh boy.

August 11, 2008
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I posted this link on the other side but thought that it could probably lend itself to this topic as well.

It's a link about happiness in Denmark as broadcasted on CBS:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....3797.shtml

Interesting.

August 11, 2008
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Sorry. My connection to God IS personal. And it was that personal connection which has rewritten my theology.

But I don't go around bashing atheists, agnostics or anyone else who might not share my beliefs. Nor do I go to extensive lengths to try and establish the irrationality of their beliefs. Beliefs are individual and personal. And to be respected.

So, I have to leave you to enjoy your solitary debate with yourself, Tez. I just can't go there. Never have. Never will. I have no need to make any "point."

- Ma Strong

August 11, 2008
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My answer to the original question posed by this thread remains the same: because there IS a devil whose sole focus is to steal, destroy and kill. And he targets stealing our peace and joy through sorrow and loss.

- Ma Strong

August 11, 2008
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hi free- sorry i get it now!!! I'm a little slow sometimes 🙁 that would make me sad too- i hate to see cruelty to animals.

there is bashing going on again!!

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