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Why do some Christian people try to shove their faith down my throat
October 26, 2004
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Is this supposed to be a good thing? I was raised catholic and at catholic school there were people of other faiths there (because the education was better), but no one ever made them listen to christian rhetoric. I mean, I grew up quietly respecting other people's beliefs.

It just really irks me. I accept other people's paths toward spirituality, I hate it when people criticize me based on religion, though. I just happen to think the King James bible is a politically motivated translation of a translation of a translation.

Actually here is a list of all the english translations that currently exist: New International Version, New American Standard Bible, The Message, Amplified Bible, New Living Translation, King James Version, New Life Version, Holman Christian Standard Bible, English Standard Version, Contemporary English Version, New King James Version, 21st Century King James Version, American Standard Version, Worldwide English (New Testament), Young's Literal Translation, Darby Translation, Wycliffe New Testament, New International Reader's Version, New International Version - UK

19 versions! woah, thas alotta god.

October 26, 2004
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Because if they don't you will burn in Hell!!!!!

Just kidding.

Actually, the mainstream approach to Christianity is an authoritarian, patricarchal approach. Obey or burn.

October 26, 2004
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Cici,

I grew up Catholic as well, 12 years of Catholic schools. Yes, there were other people of different faiths there as well because the education was better, but they were not made to attend the religion classes. Part of what we were taught was that we were to respect others and their beliefs, even if they were different.

Now, fast forward 20+ years and I'm living in the South of the United States. Big time Baptist country. What I have found here is that if you do not believe as they do - "burn in hell" is definitely the mindset.

My faith is very personal to me. I don't like others pushing their beliefs on me, although I'm always interested in hearing what other points of view are. But, in return, I don't want to shove what I believe on to anyone either.

Z.

October 27, 2004
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I prefer to tell people that I am a druid. When they ask me what that means I tell them, "If you have to ask, you'll never know." That usually stops the religious discussion dead in its tracks.

October 27, 2004
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I think this is just one more version of people not being able to tolerate people being different. So let's try to get rid of the problem. Trampling over peoples own spirituality, disrespecting the other individuals decisions - not important enough to care about.

This sucks.

October 27, 2004
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Yeah, I hear this!!! Loud!! It does suck to be the object of someones efforts with religion.

I am with silence, druids, fascinating silent creatures! Perfect for halloween fun! God you kill me silence! So deadpan too!

I go about once a month to an interfaith church. Everything is celebrated there. Once, I took part in a maypole dance! Very cool. Pagan and all that!

October 27, 2004
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Silence is that you I see walking towards me with stiff legs and stiff arms outstreched????

Better watch out!

October 28, 2004
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bel, those are zombies!!!

Aren't druids the ancient priests with the dark habits and hoods?

October 28, 2004
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I thought they wore white robes and sat around in oaktrees a lot, cutting mistletoe with their golden sicles....

Don't you have the "Asterix" comic series in the US?

October 28, 2004
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LOL I know they are zombies was just playing with Silence........

Yeah Druids are male witches arent they? With the black cloaks.............

October 28, 2004
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Yeah yeah that's it male witches....no...aren't they warlocks?

Time for a google!!!

October 29, 2004
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Really interesting thread CiCi! I was raised catholic as well (and from the looks of it - so were many whom posted here) Think Worried Dad summed it up nicely! Obey or Burn....just now had a flash of the voice from the old show "Wild Kingdom: where the narrator said "Adapt or Die" is the rule of nature. His words really hit home. Just today - I have been training a woman for a job - been stuck in a car with her for the past 2 days....I'm talking about looooong 10-12 hour days and she started to bring up religion and Christianity and stuff...and I listened and listened quietly - trying my darndest to remian neutral...then I just had to blurt out that the human embroyo has a tail that eventually breaks off and that there is no known reason for us as humans to have appendixes - except to maybe digest raw meat and that I believed in BOTH evolution and a grand sense of God/Creator etc....got real quite after that......then we started to talk about where we wanted to stop for lunch......

October 29, 2004
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Druids

Although since Christian times Druids have been identified as wizards and soothsayers, in pre-Christian Celtic society they formed an intellectual class comprising philosophers, judges, educators, historians, doctors, seers, astronomers, and astrologers. The earliest surviving Classical references to Druids date to the 2nd century B.C.

Druids filled the roles of judge, doctor, diviner, mage, mystic, and clerical scholar - they were the religious intelligensia of their culture. To become a Druid, students assembled in large groups for instruction and training, for a period of up to twenty years.

October 29, 2004
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I knew they were something like that! Thanks Cici and twinks, looking forward to your tutelage!

October 29, 2004
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God question Cici. I've come to the conclusion that people try to shove it down my throat kuz there's something in it for THEM if they succeed. I've read the Gospels numerous times. Jesus did none of this. neither did His followers. Heck, Jesus wouldn't even stand up for Himself other than to say "This is who I am". Big crime. yeah, big crime. I mean, really, if one does not believe Jesus is the Messiah and He said He was, big deal. Even Herod just said "He's just crazy, leave Him alone."

People followed Jesus mainly because he was so gentle and accepting.

One would think the God Squad would figure this out. Gentleness works wonders with people, not their militant anal retentive righteous "I be the Right Hand of God" professions.

Quite frankly, being in a confined place with the God Squad-----

now THAT would be hell.

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October 29, 2004
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To answer the original post - I think that SOME Christians like to try and shove their particular views down other's throats because I do believe that they passionatly and whole-heartily think and feel and believe that they will somehow gain some sort of "brownie points" to heaven by doing this.
I remember my sis one time had a "Jehovah's Witness" knock on her door - and my sister said - yeah? Well witness this: and slammed the door shut. (Spunky kind a gal - my sis!)

November 1, 2004
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Spunky alright! LOL

I guess it's true that people feel if they spout their stuff about religion they'll go somewhere when they die.

I kind of go for the old Billy Joel song, Only the Good Die Young,...my favorite line is.."I'd rather laugh with the sinners than die with the saints." Always loved that line.

November 2, 2004
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Yeah, I remember that song! I remember when I was married and we would go over to my in-laws...all the southern "women-folk" would go to church and the "men-folk" would stay behind and play poker.....I was right there with the "sinners" heh heh.

November 4, 2004
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Isn't it funny how the women are always EXPECTED to do the right thing? Hah! That drove me nuts!

Personally, I'll bet it was a total kick to hang out with Jesus. Can you imagine the lively discussions over the water he turned to wine? Very cool trick wouldn't you say?

It was in the 10th century somewhere that things got really ugly with the Catholic church. The pope (can't remember who) handed down a long list of can'ts and don'ts. So what happened to the women? Why did this guy have to be such a jerk toward women?

But, then again, if it doesn't kill you it makes you stronger. Maybe this is the point. Women have gotten stronger.

November 5, 2004
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He was a jerk towards women kuz christianity was seen as a way to dominate and control.

AS IF that was ever Jesus' intent. Jesus was awesome to women. Clearly.

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November 5, 2004
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Jesus was a revolutionary of his time...a revolutionary liberal fighting against the establishment in the Roman and Jewish community. So there. :p

hee!

November 5, 2004
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As a Christian, I don't try to shove my faith onto everyone/anyone. We are not all like that.

I like to believe that there are many similarities between several religions, and who am I to say I have the only correct one?

The Tower of Babilon made everyone speak different languages in the Bible. So, God will be called by many different names. If someone follows a religion that preaches love, kindness, forgiveness, and acceptance of one another's differences - that is a fine religion to me.

I would hate for my day of reconning to come and find out God would not let me in because I was Christian and not some other religion. We are all His children, and parents love their children no matter what... whether they are right or wrong, mistaken, deluded or correct... as long as they try to lead a good life, hurt no one, and do their best.

this is my hope and prayer - cuz I'd hate to find out I am wrong, or the loveable Jewish girl who is my daughter's best friend is wrong.

love is love, and love is forgiving and accepting.

November 5, 2004
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Jesus said it best when he said, love one another as I have loved you.

How did that statement move it's way into murder people who do not feel as we do?

November 5, 2004
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Amen to that.

Would be power-players (politics) use religion as a "reasoning" or excuse to decrease the population and get their way.

How is it a religious honor to become a suicide bomber and kill people on a bus or in a hotel? Where is there honor in killing the defenseless? or starving them? No glory or honor... just suffering of others to promote ones own selfish goals for more power.

I wonder how can people follow these types of "leaders"? Very sad indeed when thoughts that should be of love, generousity, compassion turn to kill those who are different or don't believe as we do. But yet, how can I be critical? Aren't our men & women serving in our troops over East fighting in the name of our Country? Fighting because they are told to? Because we were attacked first? How do we stop the fighting, know when to stop the fighting, and beget peace? Tough question. Last time I checked, someone who hates and has a gun doesn't listen to reason much.

We don't have the right to pass judgement on others. There are men, women, and children in every country of the World who desire peace and muddle the same thoughts as we do.

Ever mull over the thought: "The meek shall inherit the Earth"??

Would this be a blessing or a curse? How is meek defined? A neutral country that choses not to partake in War? A poor country that can't afford a War - letting the "big" powers blow themselves to bits??

Humans have been fighting and killing one another all throughout history.

Sad.

November 6, 2004
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I found these meanings and synonyms for meek. Is submissiveness really necessary?

From WordNet 2.0 :
Meek : adj
1: humble in spirit or manner; suggesting retiring mildness or even cowed submissiveness; "meek and self-effacing" [syn: mild, modest]
2: very docile; "tame obedience"; "meek as a mouse"- Langston Hughes [syn: tame]
3: evidencing little spirit or courage; overly submissive or compliant; "compliant and anxious to suit his opinions of those of others"; "a fine fiery blast against meek conformity"- Orville Prescott; "she looked meek but had the heart of a lion"; "was submissive and subservient" [syn: compliant, spiritless]

From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0
abject, accommodating, acquiescent, adapting, adaptive, adjusting, amenable, bland, broken, chastened, compliant, deferential, docile, domesticated, dovelike, forbearing, gentle, housebroken, humble, humble-minded, humble-spirited, humblehearted, lamblike, lenient, long-suffering, lowly,

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