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When do coincidences stop being coincidences and start being 'something else'?
July 9, 2007
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Rising,

Yep. She is an old soul alright. She chose you for her mom because she wanted to. I am sure that she probably brings many lessons to you and for you in this lifetime if you are open to it. I agree waht you said about the psysic (spelling?) that the two of you no doubt have unresolved issues from a past life and she is here in this lifetime to make it right.

You said that she isn't bothered by what goes on around her, can't be bothered to be involved.....she's probably just a little bored. Kind of "been there - done that."

I would say to encourage her in the things that she is showing a genuine interest in like the ancient cultures, the wolves and Native American and the Egyptian stuff.

Incidentially, there is a book entitled "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot (I think is his name) which touches on this sort of thing. WOW - she is really lucky to have a mom like you whom recognizes her for being the old soul that she i:-)

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bevdee,

I think that the larger soaps are like - $19.00 or something. Maybe you have to pretend like you are going to buy it and put it in your shopping cart to see the prices....I can't remember - though I know some sights are like that.

(I'll tell you - if you ever have to get a unique special gift for someone....this one is a real hit!!!!!)

It looks so much like the real thing - I can't imagine how they make it!!! Also, there are a few sites on ebay which sell the soap rocks too - of course, not the selection you'd find from ordering direct.

July 9, 2007
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truth,

you said "You said that she isn't bothered by what goes on around her, can't be bothered to be involved.....she's probably just a little bored. Kind of "been there - done that."

I had NEVER thought about it like that...good idea.

She doesn't get into normal childhood "stuff"...like playing dolls (much to my disappointment)....or anything....she enjoyed watching PBS shows as a child, as well as reading, doing puzzles, which she seemed to excel in as well. The only frustration was her actual physical dexterity...she knew where things went, but sometimes the pieces didn't "go" her way cuz her coordination wasn't refined.

School is VERY MUCH a "been there, done that" kind of thing.

She went into kindergarten with NO interest in reading whatsoever.

In six weeks, she was at a first grade level, by end of kindergarten, she was reading higher...by early second grade, she was at third grade level...by fifth grade, she had a tenth grade reading and comprehension level...she read homer's odessey FOR FUN...TWICE...cat woman is her favorite fictional story, but with real links to real things...white fang is another favorite. I don't push the reading, cuz she does it for fun...her escape...I provide plenty of materials so she has stuff to pick from.

She also is VERY interested in her japanese anime....she HATES to write for english class...abhors it....she can't be bothered "explaining" what she knows...she read it, she understood it, why does she have to explain it????? I actually laugh thinking about this...how her mind works. Anyway, this is the SAME kid, who can sit at her computer, with the ipod plugged into her ears, with the tv on with subtitles, and typing her "fanfiction" on the computer.

She has a BOOKS worth of stuff she has written....where she makes up her own anime stories....of her own, based on her characters on tv.

It's amazing how much "noise" she needs to think...give her silence and she suffers...give her noise and she thrives.

anyway, I had never considered the whole "been there done that" idea when it applies to real life...so maybe "toys" bore her cuz she spent enough time playing already in a past life...hmmmm....neat concept.

I don't focus on her being an old soul...in fact, unless it's brought up, I don't think about it at all...but I do let her march to the beat of her own drum and just enjoy that she is unique.

Her social studies teacher quoted something from ee cummings about how once in a thousand years, we are blessed with someone who is a truly unique individual...he said that he doesn't think we have to wait a thousand years....he truly sees her as a unique child who makes no apologies for who she is, doesn't boast and is not afraid to be herself amidst the chaos of pre-teen social circles...she doesn't TRY to be different..she is and that's all there is to it.

I love my brat alot...I think she knows it too!

Funny, as a baby, i was sooooooooo discouraged.

she didn't want to be held, snuggled, or nothing...she came to me when she wanted to be fed...if she was hurt, she wanted tending, then sent on her way...no coddling. No snuggling. No nothing. She was as independent as they come, without being autistic. She socialized on her own terms. She was a delight...but I sure did miss the snuggly baby that wanted to be held, wanted to be swaddled, wanted to be clingy...she didn't.

IT was kind of depressing at first...but I got used to it.

As an infant, from day ONE, she was awake and alert ALL day...and slept almost thru the night (6 hours) from birth...I NEVER had all night feedings. And thru the day, she was alert and cognitive.

She has no tolerance for group activities..mostly in part I think...to her lack of tolerance for people who take longer to "get it".

IE - in daycare, if teacher said, clean up, it's time for art project, she would do just that...sit down and wait to do art...normall it took longer for rest of kids to change gears...by time rest of kids were rounded up, she had lost interest and no longer wanted to participate...teachers ended up allowing her to just go off and read as an option.

You only have to show the kid ONCE how to do things.

I read an author named richard bach...he wrote an intense small book called Illusions.

and in it, the reluctant messiah is told that we are all born with the knowledge we need....we just need to remember that we know it.

for me, that's how I see my daughter...someone who just needs guidance remembering what she already knows.

I am pretty proud of my brat!

July 9, 2007
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As well you should be (proud that is!!!!) I think that you letting her just march to the beat of her own drum is the best gift that you can ever give her!!!!!!

I kind of see myself in some of the things that you are describing in that I slept - like 12-14 hours as a child. I never wanted to be held or snuggled either - as a matter of fact, I remember as a child - my mother rocking me and singing to me. I liked the rocking part - but then I looked up at her and said, please don't sing. I could tell that she was a little disappointed, but she stopped singing.

Also, as far as the physical dexterity is concerned - I can relate to that because I STILL confuse my left from my right and have to have special knobs in the bathroom for "HOT" & "COLD" - even though I can play the hell out of piano!(Mostly blues and jazz and a little old time boogie-woogie in which BOTH hands have to act INDEPENDENTLY of each other.) Comes from thinking and functioning on a non-linear plane all of the time, I guess.

I think that her social studies teacher really has her pegged correctly!!!!

There is no boundaries to what your child can accomplish in this lifetime - now that she has the right soil and ingredients which you have given her in order to absolutely SOAR!!!!!!!!!!!

You said that she has BOOKS worth of stuff that she has written, perhaps it may not be a bad idea to checkout the periodical "Poets & Writers" as there are some contests in which she could enter and find an avenue for her prose.

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rising...also - I was thinking at first that your daughter might be a candidate for the Mensa Society - but in looking briefly at their current website - it seems to me to be a little outdated with regard to the incredible emphasis on logic only. The ground-breaking book of "Emotional Intelligence" by (somebody?) Goleman or Goldman - I forget....adresses issues above and beyond the Mensa Society.

Also, there is such a place called "New School" which you may want to check out in addition to the ultimate......being an Oxford Road Scholar - like Bill Clinton was.

In any event - It probably would not be a bad idea to get with her social studies teacher and ask for some guidance with regard to her talents nfor further education and ask for his suggestions as to where she might best be the most well-served given her obvious skills and wisdoms.

Note - that it is also important for her to try and develop sime much needed social skills in an arena where she might feel the most comfortable with, given her level of intellect. Just a little food for thought.............

July 9, 2007
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she actually plays instruments by ear.

I made her quit band cuz she was wasting teacher's time.

she plays by ear...and for her enjoyment. She is not doing it show off her talent, so being in the concerts were no fun for her, but a must for band class...and she doesn't practice, but is DAMN good.

she was watching an anime movie (howl's moving castle) and was listening and playing along....she does the same with a piano...tho for now, all we have is a cheap casio keyboard.

my brother is a gifted musician...he, too, plays by ear...and has only had two music lessons in his life, but plays electric guitar with the best of them. But again, it's for nobody's pleasure but his. HE does it to unwind.

I think my brother and her are alot alike, just he may not have had the same focus on his "gifts". as a child, he was very talented artist...he gravitated towards bleak stuff like skulls, grim reapers, dragons and stuff...he was talented, but because he had no discipline from my parents, he wandered off into the "lost" side, drinking alot, partying and in with the wrong crowd. He had no serious relationships until he met his current GF when he was in his 30's...he dated sporadically, but nothing serious. I think my daughter will do the same...she has no patience for the "flirting/dating game". And is picky about her friends....she doesn't need a flock of them to be happy.

anyhow, I fear we have hijacked red's post...and hope she comes back and posts more...because I am intrigued and would love to learn more.

July 9, 2007
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Yes, I too felt as if we hijacked red's post as well when I last posted. Sorry red. (But - kinda -sorta - in a way - this does subscribe to the original post of coincidences in a round about way....you know?)

But now - the floor is yours Red!!!!!!

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truth...when I was a child, my parents were offered for me to skip third grade and move to fifth, so I could be more where my intellectual peers were.

my parents feared I would not fit in socially due to the age difference.

yet, they withheld me from having friends, so I wouldn't be any more different socially and would have benefitted.

in any case, my daughter will be moving from 7th to 9th grade this year, as she took 7th and 8th grade science concurrently, and took 8th grade spanish as well...her math teacher recommended she skip 8th grade math...so the only classes left were english and history...her history teacher gave his blessing to skip...and the hag she has for english said no....the principal ultimately said no...but he is gone now, so the interim principal will have final decision and will probably make decision based on guidance counselors recommendation, which is to advance her.

The kids in her 7th grade class this year were light years behind her in maturity...and being we moved from a affluent neighborhood with a phenomenal school system, she had already learned most of what she did this year in sixth grade back home. I could not get principal to advance her, thus her taking two science courses and advanced spanish.

She got all 90's and above on her finals, tho she didn't study for one moment....her overalls were average...84 for the year...without trying, without bringing home any homework....did it all in class or study hall.

so yeah, I see a lack of challenge. but i live in an area where there isn't much outside resources....we are in a farming community, and it lacks ALOT....but is affordable and a nice place to live....away from city life...tho that is what SHE thrives on most. New York city is her favorite place, Boston ranking second and the ocean is her favorite overall place.

anyway, rambling and hijacking again...lol...sorry red!

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hey, maybe it's another "coincidence" that red started this and we are getting to know her?????????

July 9, 2007
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rising,

Your daughter sounds exactly, exactly, like my youngest son who is now 19. When my boys were younger, the oldest 8, the middle 5 and the youngest of whom I speak of was almost 2. The 5 yr old said to me, 'Are we going to the potsth office?' He couldn't quite say his 'st's' yet, and the youngest says to him, "It isn't 'potsth office, it's POST ! OFFICE!'. I laughed so much with these guys growing up.

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Hey ~ I don't mind this at all! Keep it up...I love hearing about your daughter, Rising. All of your kids, OMW. And Truth and Bevdee!

Rising - Yes, your daughter is an OLD soul. I think I am as well. Though emotionally I feel stuck in my early twenties. And as I said - people think I am 15 to 20 years younder than I am.

I am up in Horry (OH-REE) country a bit south of Myrtle Beach. I go to Charleston every once in awhile. Plan going there in the very near future to do stuff in the art world.

I checked into Mensa for myself. Not very impressed...I am a 'mid-brained' thinker. Somehow I think I would be bored to tears with Mensa. I think your daughter may react that way with them as well.

KEEP THIS GOING.. This is what I LOVE! Hijack away...just let me join in! LOL....I KNOW you will and yes...good question....is this just a coincidence? Don't think so!

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Rising ~

I believe Steven King wrote under the name of Richard Bach at one time. But there could be another 'Richard Bach' out there who is real - I might google that.

I have a high IQ as well. Got that from my dad's genes. They didn't want to skip grades either. Though I am glad I didn't inherit their height, my sister did though.

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This is really exciting to me!

Bevdee - I believe 'evil' exists - and can take over a corporeal form but it does not need a corporeal form for existence. I think of it as 'negative, detrimental energy', just as I believe in 'positive, beneficial energy' - and I believe there are ebbs and tides in these energies. I cannot be around negative people or energy too long, it drains me, aggitates me, to the point that I have to leave, get away from it - and it clings - so I do as I cleanse my crystals. I bathe in or pour over myself - a solution of sea salt and water or go down to the ocean and feel and breathe in the (sea)salty air or swim in the ocean when it is warm enough. And the sound of the waves soothe me. I LOVE the ocean!

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Rising ~

Are you still in the Charleston area?

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Thanks for the link to "Belief-O-Matic" (love that name!)

My top 3 matches were
1. Secular Humanism ? 100%
2. Unitarian Universalism ? 97%
3. Liberal Quakers ? 92%

with Neo-Pagan a reasonably close #4 at 86% (I haven't checked yet to see if they equate Neo-Pagan with Wicca, since Wicca is not listed separately).

The tradition I was brought up in, mainline to liberal Christian Protestant, came in at #7 and I matched it 75%, just behind Theravada Buddhism at 77%.

Interestingly, #12 and #13 I matched equally at 56%: Scientology and Orthodox Quaker. I would much rather be an orthodox Quaker than a Scientologist, I think!!

Fun stuff :o) Carry on.......

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Red

OK- I love Stephen King and his pseudonym was Richard Bachman, because he loved Bachman-Turner-Overdrive.

I don't know about the concept of evil. I know there is negative energy, but I don't get all scared now that I have abandoned the good/evil concept. If that makes sense.

I'll tell you what I was thinking about, though. I had a friend in AZ that hypnotised me alot, and she, raised a Catholic, always had me envision myself surrounded by white, protective light as she hypnotised me. I think it was just a visual, to help allay any fear I might have had before I went into a different state of consciousness. She thought of it as her god, and symbolic of a halo. But who knows- nothing bad happened, and I lived to tell the tale!

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Bevdee~

I have at best mixed and/or confusted feelings about good and evil, 'God and Satan'. It is because of the 'Coincident' factor in my life. I respect people's beliefs, just not the dogmas of the any religions. Perhaps it is the control and power they have wielded over their - followers- or over the -populations/people. The -do this or else - believe this, believe that - but not this or that. Too much power, too much control, too much money, too much corruption in religion. I forget who said that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Sorry, off on a tangent.

Getting back to the 'coincident' factor...there has been good and evil in my life and I cannot deny either's existence.

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Red

There's no way to know for sure. But, for me- taking the concept of the wrathful, vengeful god and the threat of satan and hell just took a great load off my shoulders. Took the fear of normal human behaviour away.

Your heightened perceptions may give you more- perception, though. Don't apologise for tangents - I might call you cute again!

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"Too much power, too much control, too much money, too much corruption in religion." I am glad you mentioned this Red, I too have issues with this.

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Hey Red Blonde! I found this-

http://www.beliefnet.com/index.....10015.html

earth based religions discussion forums.

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Bevdee ~

I will look at that link.

I was taught to believe in a wrathful vengeful God and a Heaven as well as a Satan/devil and Hell. Not sure exactly 'what' or 'in what' that I believe. Or is all of this within me, my mind, my 'soul'?

An example of one of these 'coincidental happenings' follows:

Wednes. Sept 11, 1979, I went into my Dr., I was having a dull ache, which he had previously diagnosed as gall bladder problems, and an intermittent twinge of pain that shot up my right side. NO big pain. He diagnosed me having an inflamed bowel, wrote a scrip for anti-spasmadic drug which I couldn't get filled for 8 hours because dosage was wrong. Spent another night sleeping in sitting position. Ache got a wee bit worse, so called Doc next day, he said not to worry, would phone in scrip for pain killers. This was about 11:30 am Thursday. No sooner than I hung up the phone, a 'voice' came to me, I actually HEARD this voice..whether it was my voice or not, don't know - but it wasn't my way of speaking to myself. The 'voice' said: Go to the emergency room because there is more wrong here than you know about. I have not ever refered to myself as 'you'. So I got in my car, drove to the ER, six hours later after x-rays, ultra=sounds, blood tests, a dozen or more docs looking at me. The last Doc said..Call your nearest relative to be here in the am. You are going into exploratory surgery at 6 am. We are going to do an inch incision below your belly button and put a camera inside of you to see what is going on. We have found a mass the size of a football on the right side of your abdomen and we do not know what all it entails. If everything is okay, you will be in recovery within the hour. I woke up in recovery around 11:30. That was weird because I remember seeing a white light that cracked up like a jigsaw puzzle and then disappeared and was aware of the nurses talking about me 'going to be out for a long time yet' and I opened my eyes and said...no I will not. I was on 10 million units of penicillin in salene solution, not glucose, every 8 hours, was not allowed any food, no water, no ice chips and only a towel to moisten my lips, for the next 4.5 days and the first 3 days they were so worried about me that they did not even tell me what they found or what happened. Then the Doc who was one of the surgeons came in and said...Do you remember telling me that the reason you came into the ER was because a 'voice' told you to come? I said 'yes'. He said 'I am damned glad you listened to that voice. You are one hell of a lucky lady...If you had taken the pain killers that were prescribed and delayed coming in one more day...we could have still done the operation but you probably still would have died in 48 to 72 hours!

Then he started to tell me what all that was wrong. I had pelvic inflamatory disease, accute appendicitis and appendix was about to burst, an ovarian cyst the size of a small grapefruit, a twisted fallopian tube which had turned gangrenous and blood poisoning had entered my blood stream. The operation left me with a scar from navel to pelvic bone and the operatin was on Friday, Sept. 13, 1979.

Did the 'voice' come from ME or from the 'something else' that has 'walked with me' all my life? How do I explain that 'voice' (and I have heard it again since then)?

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guardian angel? higher power?

who knows...be thankful it was there...HOW scary! SOMEONE is watching out for you.

I do not live in Charleston, I moved out once my daughter was two months old. I lived in Connecticut until October of last year when I moved to WAY upstate New York, near canadian border.

As far as my daughter...she is tall, taking after my brother as well....not sure where the height comes from, everyone in our family is short.

About the book - it is called Illusions by Richard Bach...it may intrigue you, as you seem to have a similar journey as the character in the book. The book is subtitled, "adventures of a reluctant messiah"...good read...I could read it over and over again.

John Saul is another favorite writer of mine...his concepts/stories seem like they "could" be possible. They aren't too abstract...and with all the "secret" stuff that goes on around here...who knows.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the ocean...did I say I love the ocean? I feel so "at peace" near the ocean...no matter what the weather...someday I will have a place on the ocean...not sure how that will happen, given where I live...but I WILL have my ocean front property...but it will be secluded and my own sanctuary, not some shack on the beach amongst a million other shacks, all over priced and highly populated.

anyway, no a tangent...glad you listen to that voice...glad it exists for you.

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New thought here:

Regarding positive and negative energy: DO you think that possibly all of the negative energy in the world can cause other phenomena such as earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes? That actually that energy is causing these things to happen as a result of evil energy?

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Earth or Mother Earth has its own energy, it is afterall, a 'living' planet. So, I would have to say it has its own negative and positive energy. I do believe we, the human element on this planet, on a 'physical' plane or level, have messed with the our planet's energy fields, contributing to but not necessarily creating such 'phenomena' (as you call it, OMW). Earthquakes, vulcanoes, tsunamis, ice ages, hurricanes, tornadoes are all natural 'phenomena' or occurences on a living or even seemingly 'dead' or 'dormant' planet.

I don't believe it is our negative or evil thoughts as energy that causes it. Just our arrogance and stupidity.

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I didn't sleep very much last night.

I also went to my therapist this am and talked to her about few 'coincidences' that have happened in my lifetime and just recently. (And one that she had which remotely involved me just less than two weeks ago.) I asked her what her definition of 'free will' was. Then I asked her what she believed this 'something else' that walks with me is.

I want to ask everyone here what your definition of 'free will' is
and what you 'think' this 'something else' is, as well.

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