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What the bible says about the earth....
August 16, 2010
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OOPS..i musta hit a hot-key by accident.

August 16, 2010
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M,

Not sure I get it.
The Bible is what again? ;>)

August 17, 2010
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Dangit MsG. You must have really meant that s***t.

August 17, 2010
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Actually, some of the Bible (specifically the first five books:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy...also known as
"the Penteteuch") is "midrash." (I had to study it as literature in
my college years.)

Midrash is the
literary term for stories which are memorized by designated tribal
members, then passed down VER BATIM to their descendents for
multiple generations. Ultimately, these verbally transcribed
stories are recorded in writing. In the case of The Penteteuch,
these books were passed down for hundreds of years, until recorded
in writing by Moses.

This is not the
case with many of the major/minor prophetic books, nor is it the
case for the New Testament (with the sole exception of the Gospel
of Luke which -- according to most scholars -- was recorded by
Luke, based on his close friendship with Mary, the mother of Jesus
of Nazareth AFTER his death by crucifixion). This is confirmed in
the works of Josephus, a first century A.D. historian.

- Ma
Strong

August 17, 2010
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The bible is an
oral tradition, which literally means stories told from generation
to generation. Josephus' writings about Jewish civilisation helped
verify some of the old testament, the written oral tradition. They
were able to locate Herod's tomb from his writings, but not until
2007. (I wonder if the warning in the bible not to add to or take
away from the word of god has limited extra reading on this time
before and during Jesus life and death?)

Verbatim means
using exactly the same words.

Writing a story
that is told orally, makes the story secondhand.

With all the
translations to different languages, that the Bible we read has
undergone, verbatim does not apply.

hearsay means -
heard through another, rather than directly

Therefore, I agree
with MsG that the oral tradition of the Bible, whose verbatim
veracity may be justly disputed, is hearsay.

August 17, 2010
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Midrash is also found in Native Indian literature, as well as
ancient civilizations (Greek, Roman, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, the
Israelites, etc.). The Lit Professors don't call it
"hearsay."

Why would we make
an exception for Israelite literature? Sounds like a "put-down."
Would we do this to Native Americans? Or Chinese?

August 17, 2010
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The
purpose of tribal midrash was to preserve the historical narratives
and cultural heritage of these civilizations, before recorded
history took stage center. As such, I find it immeasurably worthy
of review and respect for all of these peoples with ancient roots.
Why would we insult any of them by labeling their
historical/cultural heritage as "hearsay?"

August 17, 2010
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Miss
Strong, I call that tradition and folklore.

But hearsay by
definition applies, too. Hearsay's not a dirty word, unless you're
watching a courtroom drama. lol. Since we're not in court, it
doesn't really seem offensive to me. I don't know alot about Native
American cultures. other than my own, and not a whole lot about
that. I studied it to understand my ancestors, and how what formed
them helped form my nana, great grandmother and my daddy. Some of
it's cool. While I have not witnessed it with my own eyes, nor has
anyone else, it is written, and they believed in the truth
of it.

My tribe's
folklore - that Okla, the people, sprang from a sacred mound in
Mississippi. It is the center of one of the Nation's lands today. I
don't believe that the okla really came from inside that hill, but
I like the analogy of the people coming from the earth. All people,
men and women together - unlike the legend of Eve, coming from
Adams rib, or Athena, springing from Zeus's temple.

Woman was
considered "the giver of life." Because she birthed the children,
tended and nurtured the corn and vegetables to grow, prepared life
giving food for her husband and children. She was appreciated, not
disparaged as in the writings of the bible.

Nanishtahullo-chito or Hashtahli (Hashi means sun) is the Great
Spirit, and Nalusa chito the Great Black Being. They believed in
several other types of "good" and "bad" spirits. The sun was given
utmost reverance, and fire was considered to have constant
communication with the sun. That's why my WranglerButt keeps a fire
going ALL the time, even when it's a hunderd and two outside - I
guess. lol. He's a product of his raisin'.

The tribal
religion also has the belief of afterlife. A good place and a bad
place. As always, I see similarities and parallels in religious
belief systems.

The moon is
considered feminine, the Sun's wife, called Hashti Ninak Anya . The
moon is also considered a symbol of the sacred feminine in other
cultures I have read about. The society was matriarchal, a new
groom living with his bride's family.

They believed in
assorted spirits, with explanations for each of them.

Impashilup is the
soul eater. If you allowed him through evil thoughts or depression,
it would creep inside you and eat your soul.

That's pretty
true, IMO. No matter how you say it, or what or who you attribute
it to. Negative thoughts will lead to depression and
despair.

I always thought
the Oka Nahullo sounded cool. Like underwater vampires. They were
the "white people of the water," - almost transparent and invisible
when swimming below the surface. They were said to sometime kidnap
children and turn them into beings like themselves.

They taught their
beliefs to their children, who told anthropologists and ministers
who visited their societies, then wrote about it.

Snakes are
venerated, not reviled, as in bible teachings, and were believed to
share wisdom with young men. Dunno bout that one - I'll pass on
copperheads and cotton mouths, thank you very much. I wouldn't stop
to rever those!!!

Their holy number
is 4, because everything come in 4s - the 4 elements -earth, wind,
fire, water, 4 seasons, 4 directions - north, south, east, west.
Yeah, rever the earth, like the title of this thread. Take care of
what nurtures us. What will nurture us when the bottom falls out of
the economy.

Which folklore, I
mean midrash is true? Which culture is Truth?

August 17, 2010
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Rever
the earth.

We've nothing to
lose in doing so.

andii

August 18, 2010
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(((andii)))

Thank you for
staying focused on the original topic.

If we do not take
care of the life giving force that air and water provides there
will be no life.

August 19, 2010
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(((Destinystar)))

We don't even have
to take care of it. We just need to not destroy it.

The earth doesn't
need us to thrive. It needs us to be a cooperative part of it, not
a separate entity with a self serving purpose and
agenda.

andii

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(((andii))). Well put. Leaving it a lone. To take care of
itself. Great concept.

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