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What is Truth?
March 22, 2004
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Is truth our biased perception of reality?
Just because we believe our truth is Good does that make it good for all?

March 22, 2004
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Webster's defines truth as:

1 a archaic : FIDELITY, CONSTANCY b : sincerity in action, character, and utterance
2 a (1) : the state of being the case : FACT (2) : the body of real things, events, and facts : ACTUALITY (3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b : a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true c : the body of true statements and propositions
3 a : the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality b chiefly British : TRUE 2 c : fidelity to an original or to a standard
4 capitalized, Christian Science : GOD
- in truth : in accordance with fact : ACTUALLY

March 22, 2004
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Reality defined:

1 : the quality or state of being real
2 a (1) : a real event, entity, or state of affairs (2) : the totality of real things and events b : something that is neither derivative nor dependent but exists necessarily
- in reality : in actual fact

March 22, 2004
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Advice defined:

1 : recommendation regarding a decision or course of conduct : COUNSEL
2 : information or notice given -- usually used in plural
3 : an official notice concerning a business transaction

March 22, 2004
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I am struggling.

I know that sometimes our behavior need modifying to fit the masses.

I feel like an outcast. I feel like I created this situation but do not know how or why. It's reoccurring theme shouts repetitiously through my existence....but no clue on its resolution.

March 22, 2004
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I am tormented. I am feeling the depths of mental isolation....self created? But Why?

March 22, 2004
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Why should it matter?

I don't know why...it just does.

March 22, 2004
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I have been crying a lot the past few days. I feel depressed. I decided to take Wellbutrion today. I was researching its effects and ran across a site that offers self tests and it confirmed that I was mildly depressed. It also said this:
verbalizes pervasive negativity and loneliness concerning ones's life and relationships. Lacking in motivation to complete projects that have already begun or begin new ones; socially isolated and avoidance of communication with others; a narrow focus or preoccupation with very few facets of life; and elevated self-doubt and low self-worth/confidence.

the site is http://www.psyweb.com/Testing

March 22, 2004
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I am sorry that you are feeling so down MJ. Our pastor at church talked about what real truth is versus what we perceive to be truth. He talked about how in certain situations we perceive truth to be a certain way - for example as a teenager we see truth as peer pressure and that things must be right because everyone is doing whatever the behavior- but in reality truth tells you to stay away from certain things because they are wrong and will cause your body harm. Same thing as an adult - our truths can change depending upon our mindset at the time - but if we have a truth that lies deep down that is an absolute then we can rely on that as our guide and as our comfort.

That may have made no sense and we can talk later, but our emotions and thoughts can cloud what the real truth is in a situation. I'm sorry that you are hurting right now. I know a hug can't take away your frustration and pain, but hopefully it will let you know I care.

((((((((((MJ)))))))))
Love, TS

March 22, 2004
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I think we all go through our periods of self-doubt, especially when we've made major changes in our lives. Sometimes it's easy to feel like no one else in the world is going through what we are. I hope it makes you feel a little better to know that I identify with what you wrote about feeling isolated and outcast.

Truth is subjective in many cases. Even with some finagling, you can actually mathematically prove that 1 does not equal 1 (I say finagling because it involves a divide by zero, but that's besides the point). We each find our own truth I believe.

March 22, 2004
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"Reality defined:

... b : something that is neither derivative nor dependent ... "

Since all things perceived by our senses - and this includes our mental sensing - are "dependent and are derived" then, by this definition, nothing we perceive is 'real'. This is why the Buddha stated that 'ordinary' sentient beings like us are in a state of ignorance and delusion - the cause of all our suffering and dissatisfaction.

To overcome our ignorance and delusion is to know 'reality'; it is to rise above the pre-conditioning of the mind and to see what actually 'is'; it is to see, without any judgmentality of any kind whatsoever, the 'mind' in action itself .

Wow!!! What a challenge.

But who or what is it that is observing the 'mind in action'???

Hhhhheavvvyyy stuff!

March 22, 2004
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Perhaps the only reality that we can define is pain or pleasure? Even that has the ability to be confusing.
Trust me Tez... pain to me is real, damn put the hand in the fire, and see. Sure maybe you can hold it there longer than me, but it still hurts. Further more, I refuse to continue to experiment with walking on broken glass, and then a lemon soak, ok ? It ain't all that heavy.

March 22, 2004
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Anyone see the movie "The Matrix"? One of the core ideas in the movie is that we believe that things are real because our brain tells us that they are real. But then, look at people who can cope with horrific violence by fooling their brains and separating themselves from the situation they are in and not feel pain. And so their truth is different from "reality". But in the end, reality is what you perceive, so the two are the same, but not.

I think my head just exploded.

March 23, 2004
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I stumble to find the words...Thanks for your thoughts and comfort.

If only I could remove the emotional from the logic and see without feeling.

March 23, 2004
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"But who or what is it that is observing the 'mind in action'???"

I am.

When you speak, you observe yourself speaking, you are hearing the words come out of your mouth....When you type....It is the words coming from your finger tips but from a place within.... the I.

When quieting the I in a form of meditation.....the nothingness is serene....No reality to invade the thoughts. Buddhaism is intriguing.

March 23, 2004
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Ginger...It does not make me feel better to know that you are suffering from the same condition of isolation....Your statement makes me want to give YOU a Hug and warm your soul...so that You Feel accepted, loved, and cared about.

March 23, 2004
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TS, Your words make sense....that since life is dynamic not stagnant...our perception of reality and truth changes also.

To simplify, a childs truth of love is like a hug from its mother

A Adults truth is ?(more complicated)

March 23, 2004
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Pleasure and Pain...Simplifies it completely. The two emotional extremes. Maybe if we could limit our feelings to be described as these two only, expression would be alot more simplier. I feel Pain. I feel Pleasure.

March 23, 2004
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I have not seen the movie GL...but I like how you presented your thoughts.

Yes, to diffuse a violent horrific experience the body goes into shock or detaches and forgets. The human body is such a marvelous creation. Science is still figuring out how it works.

So, I took an antidepressant because I wanted to feel better. I hate medication but I am desparate.

March 23, 2004
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I need to talk this out.

I don't know when exactly I started feeling depressed...it just sorta snuck up on me ever so subtly.

I know when I realized I was depressed. I was sitting in the pick up on Saturday....telling myself if I have promised to commit to never leave my husband again then my only alternative is suicide.

How crazy is that?
So after a few days of crying about nothing predominantly important...I took the antidepressant that has been in my draw since 2002 untaken.

March 23, 2004
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So here I am today,
Talking to virtual reality where anyone listening can talk back through a screen.....amazing creation.

Pouring my heart out to strangers that I have learned to feel close to....strange isn't it.

March 23, 2004
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Maybe I should give myself a Hug.

March 23, 2004
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Three weeks ago....I quit my husband, I quit my job, then I went back to my husband and signed up for a job yesterday selling skin care. I figured that the positive influences of the company just might rub off on my bad state that I myself have created with the thoughts I have polluted my brain with. The self sabatoging thoughts.....Out of my head!

March 23, 2004
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Has anyone ever felt like being a crazy one.....I feel a little crazy.
Remember when towardshealth was here. I could relate to him...it was so real. Why, because I had felt those same feelings.
In December, I asked to make a donation in his name....didn't happen but a photo of a dog is important.

Strange world we live in.

March 23, 2004
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Where hurting others is ok as long as they hurt you first?

Where others truth can knock you down into the ground.....where its harder to get back up...That is truth to some.

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