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What is Karma?
March 23, 2005
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So many talk about Karma. To me, it is a New Age term that I am not sure just what it is, what it means, if it has any value and where does it stem from?

Can you explain it more and how or why people use it? Educate me, please, I am sure some of you have great info about it.

March 23, 2005
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Does anyone here believe in it and if so, do you use it in your life? Any validity on how you can describe what it has done for you? I think it is used so generally, that I wonder if people who use the term really comprehend what it truly is.

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March 23, 2005
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In my studies, I've heard about karma. It is a force determined by a person's actions to decide their destiny in a future life. The dictionary describes it something like that and it is believed in Hindu and Buddhist traditions as well as others probably. Some believe that many good actions cancel out some of the bad karma so the next lifetime can be better. Some simply say What goes around comes around meaning what you put out there comes back to you. I know of a belief where it is believed that we create our karma in the present lifetime as well as pay for bad karma in previous lifetimes so that sometimes when one wonders why something is happening to them it can actually be from something they did in a previous lifetime. Hope this gives you some idea other than what you've already heard about it.

March 23, 2005
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I have learned about it and a lot of it is what Tumbleweed stated. It has a lot of importance in Asian religions and beliefs. I try to follow it however. I am Catholic, but find a lot of importance and truth in the Eastern religion philosophies.

Its like the old sayings what goes around comes around and do onto others as you want done to you. I try to treat everyone with respect and kindness, the ways I like to be treated. I have seen a lot in the area of people using others, or doing awful unkind, or inhumane things, and in the long run, they eventually get treated with the same disrespectful action.

I truley believe that what we give out comes back to us. Not neccesarily three fold, like its said, but definately we reap what we sew.

March 24, 2005
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So perhaps that is what is meant when one says there is good karma and bad karma? That makes more sense. Thnks for the responses.

March 24, 2005
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I have a friend who likes to think of karma as balancing scales. Sort of helps you picture what is going on the good side and what is being created on the bad side which will have to be worked out at some time. People just impulsively say and do things sometimes without thinking about it a little first and sometimes they're just trying to keep up with peer pressure etc. so they are not thinking that there will be consequences for their actions. There is also a saying Think first before you speak or something like that. Thoughts and words have more power than we can imagine. I have heard it said that if we all just followed the golden rule which Lthrnlace posted that it would take care of everything, all the Commandments and other teachings along those lines etc.

March 24, 2005
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Thank you all so much for this illumination and information. I really was asking this question on the other thread about the definition of Karma.

Thank you Sewunique for starting this thread!

Love,

Rasputin

March 24, 2005
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Thank you too Rasputin. You got me to thinking about it and I see it used frquently in an off-handed manner so I really wanted to get a better definition of it as well.

(((Hugs ))))to you Rasputin for all your own wisdom and sharing with everyone!

March 26, 2005
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Sew,
Eastern Philosophy, just my cup of tea. Pull up a chair. "Karma" is actually a word that originates from the Hindu faith. The word comes from a root that means "to do" and implies the notion of moral consequences that are carried along with every act. It is essentially the moral law of cause and effect, and a belief in karma is a belief that every action has an automatic moral consequence. Karma is not believed to be intrinsically good nor bad but only seems so to the person experiencing it. Karma is like gravity- it works like a force of nature. Take rain for instance, it can cause a plant to grow just as it can cause a picnic to end. See, good nor bad, depending on perception. ;o)

~Bubishi~
~The Peaceful Warrior~

March 26, 2005
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Hear hear, Bubishi - well said!
Karma, or the natural laws of consequences and effects, implies that what we do / say / think really does matter!
I think Jesus was teaching this as just the way things are! (Rather than as threats of punishment & promises of reward.)

Every event in this 'apparent world' of space & time is True & cannot be un-done - only celebrated or healed / improved. Everything is recorded, according to some teachings, in the Akashic Records - a metaphor for the structure of Reality. There are natural & inevitable consequences. Rather like a spiritual version of Newton's Law of Physics: "For every action there is an equal & opposite reaction" (though on a moral level.)

I find this idea mentally satisfying, since it implies that nothing good is ever wasted. No effort, no good act or intention is without effect in the overall scheme of things. And bad stuff has consequences too. And these can & must be put to rights.

Karma, for me, = Natural Justice. The redeemability of human nature. But fairly.
Rather than the angry judgement of some personified, unjust God-figure who happens to favour sending plagues & eternal, INFINITE torture & punishment (HELL) for FINITE 'sins' or mistakes! This, to me, is a gruesome and deeply flawed human construct, implying a "god" whose projected, imagined "wants" & "needs" we must constantly propitiate, etc. as did the literalistic, idolotrous societies of old.

For me, the concept of "God" could not, even in principle, be incomplete, or lack power to have His/Her/It's 'needs' or 'wishes' met. My 'God'lacks nothing. God IS Love and Unity and Bliss. Is Whole, Complete, Omnipotent, and eternally self-existent, all-knowing, all-wise, all-Creating, all-sustaining, all-Loving Life Itself. (That is why I'm no longer a "Christian" - I admire & honour the teachings, Life, wisdom, humour & Love of Jesus, the archetype of Perfected Son of Man, too much to go along with all the judgementalism, exclusivity, violence, war-mongering etc.)

For me, torture and pain and death are not dished out as punishments by some vengeful, hate-filled, needy, temper-ridden 'invisible man'- 'god'- concept. And as I see it, the idea of Karma from eastern spiritual philosophy is a wonderful expression of the deep, intrinsic truths about Nature, Human-Nature and the very structure of Reality that Jesus (& other great Teachers) explained & demonstrated so wonderfully.

My opinions only - could be wrong, are definitely incomplete, and ongoingly subject to change, modification, expansion & improvement.
This is me trying to be respectfully assertive - please don't hate me if you disagree!

Hope I haven't offended anyone - truly not intended. My own healing & growth are inextricably connected with my religious, historical, cultural & mystical studies, discussions and learning path.

Blessings & love to all - Gazelle.

March 26, 2005
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Oh dear. What a tirade. SO sorry. Must confess, I'm a little drunk.

(At least thinking & writing all that took my attention away from my bruises & black eye. And my idiotic, crippling, exaggerated dread-of-abandonment.)

March 26, 2005
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Wish I could delete all that.

March 27, 2005
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Your posting of 26-Mar-05 indicate that you have a good brain and have chosen to use it. Good for you!

April 11, 2005
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I believe in Karma, in the sense that people reap what they sew, and I think that this follows everyone through their lives, until there is a true change of heart.

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