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What does it mean to be open minded?
February 28, 2005
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God help me for sayin this:

Wasn't it also the means used in the conception of Garp?

Gully: have the answer to this?

February 28, 2005
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I'll be dog gone.....

let's see what the Tez comes up with, shall we?

Well, I guess I haven't lived long enough to see everything.

February 28, 2005
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I saw the attachk of th eKiller TOmatoes...what about the movie The Blob...that little red thing that got bigger as it rolled around and ate people!! That movie scared me to deth when I was little. Funny how if you see those movies that scared you as a child, they seem so innocent compared to today's horror films...which I don't watch ...because they scare me!

February 28, 2005
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Have one for you Gully

sci-fi

mid sixties

story line is some guys landed on Mars? and there lived a father and beautful daughter. Three spacemen were taken in by the daughter's beauty and could not figure out how they existed there. Come to find out there is an electical storm or electrical monster that causes problems that prevents them from taking the girl back to earth with them. was sorta trendy then, Can't recall the name of the movie. Help me out please?

Sew

February 28, 2005
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Darn, wrong thread!!!!! shucks

February 28, 2005
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Here, this is more appropriate:

"Who looks outside, dreams;

who looks inside, awakes."

-Carl Gustuv Jung

I couldn't say it better than this.

February 28, 2005
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Sew, The Day the Earth Stood Still?

February 28, 2005
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Close, but no bananas.

February 28, 2005
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Close, but no bananas.

February 28, 2005
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Mamac

I haven't read that book in years, though I do catch the movie every now and again. However, I always miss the beginning.

It's a great story. However, the "Daddy, let's coast the car into the driveway" Scene still gives me nightmares.

Hey, you know what? I think Garp was all about being open minded. And love. And being human.

Gully

March 1, 2005
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> It is as though we cannot comprehend or grasp at a deep level the state of total 'unawareness'. < This unawareness is nothing. Its just the fact that the thing doesnt exist anymore. The person has died, brain is dead, everything is gone. >Is it because we existed before we were even conceived in our mother's womb?
..... slipped back into a prior existence and recounted reasons for coming into their present birth. < Its all a working of the mind. Even before the person is born, the brain definitely exists and is living and working, so I wouldnt be surprised if the person recounted something while in the birth canal. Could they recount anything before being conceived? Never. Its simple for me. That photon thing, hm, I dont know about it so I cant comment. If there's a concious that can exist without the brain, where does it exist, in the air? Hmmm .. I would need scientific proof. I wont be convinced 😀 but you can try.

March 1, 2005
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When someone dies, everything is gone except the soul, then it leaves the body...did you know thta every single person who dies is 20 mg less weight after they die...every single person, and it isn't attribute to loss of body fluids. Many physicians now attribute that to the "soul" leaving the body...isn't that interesting? So that defeats your theory of it just doees not exist any more...my thoughts.

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"Could they recount anything before being conceived? Never. Its simple for me."

I'm glad you cleared it all up for me. How could I have thought otherwise. Circumstantial evidence and much research by eminent people? What the hell. Sticking my head in the sand certainly feels better. 🙂

March 1, 2005
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A = B therefore C = D? Errrrrrrrrrrr!!!!

March 1, 2005
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Dealing with the supernatural here Tez...a whole different ballgame...here we go again!! ;0}
Get your head out of the sand!

March 2, 2005
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Tez,
"Circumstantial evidence and much research by eminent people?"

Maybe i wasnt clear: nope.. that was evidence of them in the birth canal before they came out into the world. That can exist because the brain is existing at that time. But there's no record of anyone having any memories _before_ the couple had sex

again you say the mind exists outside the brain. Well.. where? in the back of the neck (astral projection kinda thing..?)

onmyway,
Any scientific proof for that 20mg thing? I searched the net, couldnt find any. If that was true, scientists would have caught the soul in a bottle in a liquified form.

March 3, 2005
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Yes there is, and I think I got the weight wrong...will see what I can find for you. Ever watch Discovery? Was on there a couple of times too.

March 3, 2005
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bye tez, leaving the sight. take care of yourself,ok?

March 4, 2005
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please yes, scientific evidence and research references needed. Tez leaving the site.. um no, dont think so. heh.

March 4, 2005
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Her post of saying a specific farewell was written to Tez.

Geez

March 4, 2005
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And it was I that asked Tez for the specific data, not OMW.

You're going to have to read the threads more carefully.

March 4, 2005
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Sorry, guess her scientific infor won't be forth coming. Unless she cahnges her mind.

March 4, 2005
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"please yes, scientific evidence and research references needed."

Just for starters!! Try the research work of Dr. Helen Wambach Ph.D(1979),Life Before Life, ISBN 0-553-20060-7.

Let me know when you've read that work and I'll give you many more references.

March 7, 2005
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Wel.. sorry, I cant buy the book for that.. heh. Too short of money and time here.
Seems like its only this Helen who's
done this work. Hypnosis, its like putting the dart on the ghost board and asking "where you born before 1650?" yes/no. 50% of the responses will be "yes", so hey presto, we met 14 ghosts who were born before 1650.
Thats what it is. I'd like to know exact details of "they were alive in the 2300 AD period." (I saw http://www.carolmoore.net/arti.....mbach.html ) How the questions were asked, whether there were any consistent answers to repeated questions. Since she was already biased and beleived in after/before life, she probably ignored any anti-evidence. The mind is powerful. For example in dreams, I've gone to strange places and done strange things, but has that really happened? Makes you think, doesnt it?

I'd have to know that more people researched this and everything was done scientically.

"20mg is the weight of a soul"? Evidence please .... (whoever claimed it)

March 22, 2005
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Guesta Guest,

You said:

"Since she was already biased and beleived in after/before life, she probably ignored any anti-evidence."

Firstly she had a PhD so I presume that she was well aware of the philosophy of science and experimental bias in that regard. Her book was written in a very balanced way. Her research questioning techniques were very neutral - "like what are you experiencing now"?

Secondly, her research was not about 'life before life' at all. It was about memories of being in the womb, child birth and early infancy. The 'life before life' thing was as much a shock to her as any one else. What surprised her all the more was that her subjects were all Christian both nominally and belief wise. They also were shocked by their experiences.

And: "Seems like its only this Helen who's done this work."

It may seem like that to you, but that is far from the truth, I am afraid.

And: "I'd have to know that more people researched this and everything was done scientically."

And so would I! Over many years, I have done my homework. Since I have a academic quals in science, I am very familiar with the philosophy of science also. I am not easily swayed with falacious argument and sentimental claptrap. That is why I lock horns on this site so many times with those of the religious persuasion of any kind.

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