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What does it mean to be open minded?
February 26, 2005
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"Hi Tez, just popped in on this thread,what you wrote below says so much. "

What the ...??? How the hell did your posting that refers to mine "below" yours get physically above mine???

You must have tapped into my mind before I posted my post and beat me to submitting my post by a few milliseconds. How else could you have known what I was going to say before it posted it???????????

This is pointing to mind to mind communication at its finest, call it telepathic or whatever. I'm stunned!!!!!

Or was the word "below" that you wrote a typo??? Please tell me it was or else I'm not going to have any more 'dirty' thoughts in case you can read them. 🙂

February 26, 2005
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Hi tez, I meant your actual quote..I copied it from your thread above mine, and referred to below, as literally below. But I like what you said about telepathy..it exists. I can't do it, but I am somewhat intuitive. That's okay you can have dirty thoughts..ha!And we will probably forever agree to disagree on these threads. 🙂

And yes, you did think much about what I said. I am impressed at the fact you have such a command over dissecting a simple sentence..you make it bloom so to speak...so you are able to expand your mind to think outside of the box...awesome! Have you ever written any books or had any articles published, because your ability to write what you are thinking could be used in a university philosophy class...I'll bet it could!

By the way what is an "NDE'er"?

February 27, 2005
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Tez, thanks, I was just feeling silly. Without the brain, there's no mind. The physical brain is where all the thoughts and feelings take place. I havent followed the discussion but I dont know what the mind is. Another name for the brain? The brain is where its all at, you take the brain out, there's no feeling or thoughts, sense of identity left over because there's no other place in the body where these "mental" things can happen. When I was small and I didnt know, I thought the heart was where all the "feelings" were.

February 27, 2005
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You said:

"Without the brain, there's no mind."

Your statement echos what quite a lot of people of science believe. However verifiable and startling events have occured that seem to indicate that mind can function quite well if not better when the brain is clinically 'dead'.

We have been conditioned by our sense organs to believe that a world of objects exists outside of us. We have been similarly conditioned to believe in the separation of self and other than self. Further, we have been conditioned to believe in the brain being the cause of our awareness. This is why many people fear death. They fear the absolute non-awareness of non-existence - the black void of nothingness. Yet such fears are underpinned by the belief of a continuing awareness that will be aware of this state of 'nothingness'. It is as though we cannot comprehend or grasp at a deep level the state of total 'unawareness'. Is this because we have never experienced this state? Is it because we existed before we were even conceived in our mother's womb?

Dr. Helen Wambach, an eminent psychologist and now deceased, did a study of infant birth canal experiences using hypnotic regression techniques. To her dismay and consternation many of her subjects, most of whom were Christians, slipped back into a prior existence and recounted reasons for coming into their present birth. She then undertook a separate study of this phenomena which formed the foundation for her book, 'Life before Life'(1979)ISBN 0-553-20060-7.

There are many other books that corroberate the proposition that mind and/or awareness together with ongoing memory can and does exist independently of the brain. This is not to say that the brain has no effect on the content of our awareness; the direct opposite is true, I believe. There certainly is a state of 'interbeing' between all things as the Chan Master, the Venerable Thich Nhat Hanh, calls the relationship between all things.

Genuine clairvoyance, together with the ability of some people to accurately see the 'future' would seem to presuppose that 'mind' can access some database of 'Mind' and see that which seems beyond our grasp; namely visualization of past, present and future events that are beyond our body's physical sense organs.

Indeed the further we look into the paranormal the more the differentiation between the physical and the non-physical seems to blur into extinction and become just another construct of 'mind'.

Does 'mind' underpin all things. Is 'mind' the 'strings' that physicists think underpins and links all matter at a sub-sub-atomic level?? There are staggering scientific studies that show that photons come into and go out of existence dependent upon the state of other photons. It is as if one photon knows what another is going to do! Are photons like all matter manifestations of 'Mind'????

February 27, 2005
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You asked:

"By the way what is an "NDE'er"?"

Near Death Experiencers - people who have been clinically death and have been revived, sometimes hours after clinical death occurred. Whilst in this state, many, but not all, have recall of vivid experiences in both nether regions and on this planet. Some have been able to tell relatives exactly what they were thinking. Others were able to tell nursing staff what they were doing and where they put things in other rooms far removed from the place of the supposed 'corpse'. It is as if there is an expansion of 'senses' with death not the reverse.

Extreme ecstacy is often the experience of NDE'ers - reportedly beyond our wildest orgasmic states. Many men, at the moment of death, get an erection and ejaculate. Does this physical occurence corroborate the dying man's mind state of ecstacy rather than cause it? The same may happen for women too. But since the symptoms of orgasms in women are harder to observe, we may never know.

As for the very flattering things that you said about me, I thank you. However, I do not kid myself. I have written an unpublished book called 'The Dance Of Life'. I was dissatisfied with it to the extent that it now languishes in my archives for posterity to discard as just so much flotsam and jetsam. Very few people would enjoy reading it. It is far too mentally challenging and provocative. It pushes people out of their comfort zones. For that reason, my book could top the worst seller of all time list were it ever to be published. 🙂

Writing what I 'see' simply isn't easy as is amply demonstrated by the fact that many people here think that I deliberately try to complicate things by my 'verbose' responses. The opposite is true. I struggle with language to achieve clarity of expression and to avoid ambiguity and obscurantism. Duhhh!! I've just done it again. 🙂

I did however write an ebook on Electronics Made Easy. I thought that it was good. It was full to the brim with animations. It took forever to complete. However, I got both a luke warm ho hum response from my peers and plenty of people who wanted it for nothing. I had a website at the time where a freebee copy of the first few chapters could be obtained. I got plenty of emails begging for the rest for free. With no money forthcoming, I closed the site and this technical book now faces oblivion just as my 'philosophical' book does.

February 27, 2005
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Hi Tez,
So was your book Electronics made Eaay actually about electronics, or did you take it deeper?

People's "comfort zone"? People need to be shaken out of their comfort zone. I greet being takn out of my comfort zone..it is the only way I grow because I used to have walls around me..now I have chicken wire...ha! willing to see now at least. Maybe just spicing your book up a bit would be all it would take?

Near death experiences. I noticed that you kept your explanation withinthe tangible, which also relfelcted your beliefs about God, anything out side of the realm of what we can see, or touch. Or am I making a one-sided judgement here? NDE'ers also report laving their bodies...you have heard of the white light scenario, seeing relatives who have passed on, seeing and talking with God, and generally the conversation goes like this: Go back, your time has not come. And from what I ahve read, these that have had an NDE, are somehow changed on the inside...their soul, is differnt as theri motivation for life on earth is different...they saw and talked to those important to them, and saw God..closure for some maybe. Just my thoughts.

But since we are talking about NDE, brains and minds and the differnce there...I would be intersted to hear what you think about the "mind over matter" process...I see the 'matter' part as being the heart, the seat of emotions. And something I struggle with, so tell me what you think about this too, ok?.....I ned to get my thoughts, my knowledge INTO my HEART. I am very independent, can live of my thoughts, my mind, my logical mind...but it is confusing and lonely for me at times and so FRUSTRATING!! If I get my knowledge into my heart I will be wise, as wisdom can be defined as the 'right use of knowledge'.

Any thoughts on this?

I find it interesting that men have an erection when they die..I did not know that. Could be their soul is at the highest peak (feelings) when they die, and the same as orgasm for women. Sex for some is so mechanical, unfeeling while alive...or even labored for some. So when we die, our whole soul FEELS everything of just being "released" fom all of the pain of living on earth? Maybe? Interesting to think about anyway. Sexual Beings when We Die...

February 27, 2005
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"...Many men, at the moment of death, get an erection and ejaculate. Does this physical occurence corroborate the dying man's mind state of ecstacy rather than cause it? "

This statement really threw me off, Tez. Where the dickens (couldn't help that one) did you ever read such a thing? The proof?

Perhaps I have missed something here!!! As a geriatric nurse, spending a couple decades in this field, I have YET to see this happen. Maybe I was looking the wrong place, like holding their hand while at the death bedside, but hey, could have missed that one.

'Course you really want to talk medical experiences, try inserting a catheter into a man's exterior organ, and him to get an erection. That does occasionally happen, which can prove to be a difficult proceedure and causing increased pain. Of course, you have to stop the proceedure to wait until the erection subsided.

But at death, I call you on providing documented proof and if so, then I'll back down. But at your word; I will wait on this one.

February 27, 2005
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Tez,

Scientific, medical proof would provide more validity.

February 27, 2005
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"This statement really threw me off, Tez. Where the dickens (couldn't help that one) did you ever read such a thing? The proof?"

That's what I'm sayin' Sew.

Well, you know... I'm over here saying it with my 'mind powers!' 😉

Remember that dickhead that wanted to get freaky with my mom and me on the day that my dad was buried?

He supposedly had a near death experience.

He talks about it all the time... I'm just sorry that they revived him.

February 27, 2005
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Amanda,

You see, we do think alike in many ways, or is it the way of processing things? But seeing the humour in sour, sad situations is one easy way to cope, isn't it? Either that or I'm just beeners.

Since this thread's name does question the idea of open mindedness, I do remain open to some information regarding Tez's remark.

As for this ummm, 'gentleman' your mom's friend, do you question the integrity and valdidity of his story of his 'near death experience'? I have found some people join the bandwagon to popular ideas or will tell tall tales for the dramatic effect it brings. Especially in the reapeated retelling of it.

Not to say that I do not believe of these things happening, I do. We just aren't smart enough yet in our evolution process or gaining of scientific information (whichever theory fits one more comfortably), to have been able to provide logical explaination of these occurances.

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February 28, 2005
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In the mood that I am in at this moment...I can only think of one thing. At the moment of death, placing a little flag on top, .....

February 28, 2005
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ROLF

I am dumbfounded, awestruck, speechless (for once)

BTW, What color flag?

Something with shooting stars on it?

February 28, 2005
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Well, not the American flag....yes, shooting stars...a little fireworks display even!!

February 28, 2005
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Well the places we will go.......

Love that Dr Suess book!!!

The depth of this thread is truly marvelous and awesome!! I have read much of what has been discussed (except the erection part but that is interesting!)

Mind over matter. I'd like to comment if I can. I am a true mind over matter liver! I believe and it is so, in many ways. For instance, the minute i get nervous or upset about money, am I going to have enough for this or that, I stop, relax, smile and say to me I am abundant. I know it will be there and it usually is. Now, I am not saying I don't have to get creative sometimes and do something but, maybe that is the point! Being stressed over the situation keeps me in a state of fear and anxious behavior. Relaxing gets me out of the funk and spurs thinking and response.

Mind over matter is another way of saying "positive thinking", "glass half FULL". I use them all the time and it does work!

February 28, 2005
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Oh! I had another idea:

You know how when someone dies, all of their (sorry, but for lack of a better word) 'holes' open up and they begin to secrete bodily fluids/juices...

Maybe the men's ejaculation is something along those lines.? 😉

Not so romantic when you really think about it, huh? LOL

(BTW, cute mental picture of the flag with fireworks... I still think men are too easily excited! LMAO)

February 28, 2005
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Sew,

And I dunno what to think about 'Near Death Experiences'. The main reason being I have never experienced one.

But as for being open-minded about it... Yeah I guess I am. Hell, (no pun intended! For real, I'm scared of that place!) if it happens to me there will be no denying it, right?

February 28, 2005
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Amanda,

In reply to your post:
"Oh! I had another idea:"

and to the following verbage in your post, I would say:

You have discovered the true reality, grossly, which does happen. I dared not mention it, but that is what happens, quite often. So perhaps that defeats the theory Tez mentioned. We'll see what data he can "ruffle up" to support his point.

February 28, 2005
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Did anyone ever see the C class movie: "The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes"?

No reason, just thought it was a good place to interject that here.

February 28, 2005
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sew

Are you trying to sucker me in with a movie? You know how hard i find it to ignore movie questions.

I really need to read these threads. When I skim some of them, I get really confused1

Gully

February 28, 2005
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'holes'

or you could say: orifice(s) (mouth of a cavity, opening)

February 28, 2005
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I don't know why, maybe I am just weird, but "orifice" just sounds kind of sexy, you know, sexual. I don't know. I guess I am weird.

February 28, 2005
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I thought it did too GullyBaby. =)

February 28, 2005
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Only gave me the vision of the inside of a furnace in need of cleaning.

February 28, 2005
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It must be the February season for everyone getting whacky.

mamaC,

think you got us landed back on our feet again; for awhile at least. You never know with this bunch.(who am I to talk so boldly).

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sewunique
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"...Many men, at the moment of death, get an erection and ejaculate. Does this physical occurence corroborate the dying man's mind state of ecstacy rather than cause it? "

This usually occurs is a person dies suddenly or violently. My father told me this actually, he witnessed it happen in the battlefield (Korea, Vietnam) and also when he was younger and he saw a man get hung (back then they still did that).

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