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WD's Smut and Porn Emporium
January 3, 2008
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kroika,

I meant both.

There is a difference between masturbation and using a porno to masturbate.

I certainly am not an avid consumer of porn, but what I have seen has not been particularly brutal - and on the surface, sure, it appears that both partners are enjoying it equally. The problem is that what is depicted (the mutual enjoyment) doesn't really happen, at least not to me. I don't enjoy being tittyfucked and having the guy come on my face or throat. I don't enjoy having my head held down or pulled down so some enormous prick can make me gag. I don't enjoy watching the guy I am screwing fondle the breasts of another woman at the same time.

Sure, it's fantasy, so what's the harm in it? Well, I've dated guys who have decided they need to live out their sex lives just like the porn they have been watching. Those men seem to think it is real - that women really like that stuff and so they need to do it in order to feel satisfied.

The difference between porn and simply fantasizing, even reading a romance novel, is that porn involves real people and real bodies. I can't confuse my fantasy with reality, but men (and women) who watch porn can and often do.

Feeling like a porn star does not rank highly with me.

The second problem with porn vs. plain old masturbation is that there is a whole industry being supported by the rental or purchase of those movies. I am not endangering a single teen-age girl if I go in my shower and masturbate, but I can't say the same thing for certain if I do it while watching a porno. Regardless of the actual content of the porn, the fact that you are supporting an industry known to have coerced underage girls into acts inappropriate for their age is kind of condoning that type of behavior.

And lastly, while my familiarity with porn is limited, I have seen enough to see that every single woman was treated as an object. A walking orifice, insert penis here. They were about ravaging a woman's body - poking her full of holes, but don't worry, she'll love it - not about respect. I don't think that is AT ALL an appropriate message to send to men. But that's what they get from watching those films. Most of the men that I have dated that were avid porn watchers treated my body like their own personal playground. I was an object when we were naked, which made me realize I was an object to them even when I was dressed. Porn is not harmless.

I am not necessarily interested in continuing a debate on this topic, especially in the given climate. I just wanted to put out my opinion on the issue, because I felt like significant issues were getting lost in the combative nature of the discussion.

January 3, 2008
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WD,

You know my history. You know what my spouse wanted of me. He got those ideas from porn.

He said he liked to watch the 'amatuer' porn, or the porn of 'real people'... however, the camera man or the director usually got involved too. Often complimenting the woman on various PARTS of her body, or what they'd like to do to those PARTS. There might have been love between the 'couple', but there was cheapness to the act (IMO) allowing some stranger to touch, poke, fondle, and "ride" the man's porported 'loved one'.

My spouse wanted more & more kinky kinds of things. Things I didn't want. He got his ideas from what he saw when watching porn. After all, if those women liked it - I should too. Was I listened too? He thought he knew me better than I did! Was I respected? You know the answer to that.

I don't want to get into it all again, but porn is not a good thing IMO. What is wrong with a person's own active imagination? Why do you need (pardon the pun) a boob-tube to feed your imagination?

Remember your brain on sex prior to viewing porn? What was wrong with that?

January 3, 2008
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WD

Such a hard worker you are...watching all that porn for your lil "research". rofl. give me a break.

January 3, 2008
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Hi Juanita,

Wow, good to hear from you again.

Of course there is nothing wrong with using your imagination. That's my personal favorite. Mind you, I have a pretty good imagination.

Yes, a man (or a woman) may see something in a porn movie that they want to try and which their partner does not want to try. But there isn't per-se anything wrong with asking your partner to try something--and if you respect the fact that your partner has the right to say "no" then that's the end of that--no problem.

The thing about your husband is that he is not really a respectful person. And it was porn that transformed him into a disrespectful person.

Abuse in relationships are based on the abusers deeply held, values and beliefs about gender, relationships, and entitlement. As far as I know, adults do not develop acquire deeply held beliefs and values regarding *anything* from fictional media of any kind--including porn.

So I would submit that the men who were disrespectful to southgoingzax did not learn to be disrespectful towards women from porn--that comes from early socialization.

Since approximately 100% of men have seen some porn, It seems obvious that those men who have been respectful to southgoingzax, were also not affected by their porn use.

I once again remind everyone that there are many, many kinds of porn.

And a lot of it anymore seems to be basically couples who films themselves--"look at us, we are in love and we a hot couple." The biggest media event here in town 2 years running has been the Amateur Porn Competition sponsored by a local weekly paper. I believe one of the winners was an animated film that depicted what happens when the alien antagonists from the movie "Alien vs Predator" love each other very much. I didn't attend, btw.

Anyway, it is people's personality and character that determines the kind of books they like to read, the TV shows they enjoy, and the movies they like to watch--including the kinds of porn movies they like to watch--not vice versa.

A man who doesn't really like or respect women is going to gravitate towards particularly degrading and disgusting material. He is probably the same kind of guy who likes to watch the slasher films where women get killed in horrible ways.

And a woman who fantasizes about having sex with four guys at once, gagging during oral sex, roughly penetrate all her orifices, and the ejaculate all over her (and I promise such women exist) is going to watch those kinds of films.

Someone who likes stories about cigar smoking robots and one-eyed mutants who work for a delivery company in 3000 A.D. will watch Futurama. That would be me.

January 3, 2008
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HitheWall,

Well, I didn't want to be accused of not knowing what I was talking about. And I think I've seen enough now to prove my point

January 3, 2008
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Well, WD,

since you have also revealed yourself to be an esoteric priest with great knowledge of religious writings
I refer you to Jesus of Nazareth who said "he who has eyes, let him see; he who has ears let him hear"(excuse the rough paraphrase... I'm sure you're familiar with the quote. Maybe you even understand
what it means.

January 3, 2008
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'scuse me, I should say Jesus was reported to have said that. I of course was not there,
so I don't know for sure. But it seems to be an important idea for those who seek spiritual truths.

January 3, 2008
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WD

The important thing is that you did the research and proved it with yourself. ;D

January 3, 2008
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Heck, Bevdee you can watch the films yourself. It gets boring pretty quickly, though. Fucking boring, actually.

January 3, 2008
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This Bob Dylan song came to mind when I read your response to Juanita. Sing along?

What Good Am I?

What good am I if I'm like all the rest,
If I just turned away, when I see how you're dressed,
If I shut myself off so I can't hear you cry,
What good am I?

What good am I if I know and don't do,
If I see and don't say, if I look right through you,
If I turn a deaf ear to the thunderin' sky,
What good am I?

What good am I while you softly weep
And I hear in my head what you say in your sleep,
And I freeze in the moment like the rest who don't try,
What good am I?

What good am I then to others and me
If I've had every chance and yet still fail to see

Bridge: If my hands are tied must I not wonder within
Who tied them and why and where must I have been

What good am I if I say foolish things
And I laugh in the face of what sorrow brings
And I just turn my back while you silently die,
What good am I?

Copyright © 1989 Special Rider Music
from the album Oh Mercy

January 3, 2008
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WDad,

"Hi MsGuided,

"Narcissistic Supply" is a pop psychology neologism and internet meme invented, best I can tell, by a famous abuser named Sam Vaknin to justify his behavior horrible."

How is he famous for abuse?

January 4, 2008
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Hi Bevdee,

Sam is a fairly bad person--he ended up in jail for...what the heck is? Embezzlement or theft by fraud I think. He was eventually diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He studied the topic and did a lot of introspection and wrote a book about it.

Problem with Sam is that although he does a pretty good job of describing what relationships with Narcissists are like he is also trying to describe himself and his own motives. So he invented and has been marketing his own idiosyncratic model of the psychopathology of NPD. In other words, he basically pulled stuff out of his butt.

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Oh, I almost forgot...

Sam's popularization of the concept of "narcissistic supply" might be one of his latest crimes against humanity.

January 4, 2008
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WD

Where could I access that information?

January 4, 2008
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Hi Bevdee,

Here is Vaknin's site. It's not a bad introduction to what the disorder looks like. Later on you'll want to read more primary sources.

http://www.healthyplace.com/co.....ut_me.html

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WDad

Thanks - at a glance, it seems he is being honest about himself. That's a big difference in what I see in the people I know that display those characteristics.

I don't usually go by the popular or mainstream sites, I try to go with medical resources. NPD was acknowledged in the DSM around 1980.

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmu.....sm-iv.html

"What is a personality disorder?
[from Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th edition, 1994, commonly referred to as DSM-IV, of the American Psychiatric Association. European countries use the diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization.]

An enduring pattern of inner experience and behavior that deviates markedly from the expectation of the individual's culture, is pervasive and inflexible, has an onset in adolescence or early adulthood, is stable over time, and leads to distress or impairment.

A personality disorder is a pattern of deviant or abnormal behavior that the person doesn't change even though it causes emotional upsets and trouble with other people at work and in personal relationships. It is not limited to episodes of mental illness, and it is not caused by drug or alcohol use, head injury, or illness. There are about a dozen different behavior patterns classified as personality disorders by DSM-IV. All the personality disorders show up as deviations from normal in one or more of the following:

(1) cognition -- i.e., perception, thinking, and interpretation of oneself, other people, and events;

(2) affectivity -- i.e., emotional responses (range, intensity, lability, appropriateness);

(3) interpersonal functions;

(4) impulsivity.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

While grandiosity is the diagnostic hallmark of pathological narcissism, there is research evidence that pathological narcissism occurs in two forms, (a) a grandiose state of mind in young adults that can be corrected by life experiences, and (b) the stable disorder described in DSM-IV, which is defined less by grandiosity than by severely disturbed interpersonal relations."

That site quotes the DSM-IV, and goes on in more detail- and I'm pretty sure it's without much mention of Vaknin, except for this reference -

"For a firsthand account of what it's like to have NPD, see "Malignant Self-Love - Narcissism Re-visited" by Shmuel (Sam) Vaknin, Ph.D.]"

There's a list of traits, lack of empathy, denial, exaggerated sense of self-importance - no need to revisit them here in the Emporium. There have been several threads - didn't Garfield or Revelation have one that ran for quite a while? *N? is there such a thing?* Something like that. There is some interesting reading that was pertinent to people in my life.

Anyway, thanks. I hadn't realised he spoke from first hand experience. That's either exceptionally rare or he is getting his Supply (sorry!) from the fame and attention of being a narcissist. What a conundrum that one is! I didn't see from the intro on that link you provided where he was an abuser. (I would assume his marriage and/or family) I'm guessing that you have read more about Vaknin than I have.

Nice chatting with you- I need to try to get back to sleep - I'm working an extra shift tomorrow, and I'll need all (both) my wits about me. :~)

January 4, 2008
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Here is an interesting article which addresses the notion that the vast majority of women feel a gut level disgust about porn...

"Porn and the Single Girl"
by Tom Moran

Karen, an aspiring writer from California, is in many ways typical of her generation. Recently downsized from her job at a production company, currently looking for work, she’s hoping that she won’t have to end up temping in order to pay the rent. Her passions include literature and theater, as well as a more surprising enthusiasm: porn videos.

But not videos made for women, that supposedly appeal to a more feminine sensibility. Karen watches the same porn that men watch – and for the same reasons. "I don’t watch porno videos for romance," this 30-year-old tells me bluntly. "I watch them for sex." Rhonda, a 28-year-old married woman from Texas and an active churchgoer, tells me that she’s not at all interested in porn videos for plot: "One of the things that turns me on the most is when couples just meet and do it." Lisa, a 26-year-old telemarketer from the Bay Area, feels that porn acts as a spur to her fantasy life: "What I like about porn is that I find it erotic and I can use it as a masturbatory device. The people in the videos are acting out fantasies that I would like to live out. Maybe in my life it’s not going to happen, but at least I get to watch it."

What’s going on here? Aren’t women supposed to hate this stuff? Find it demeaning? Degrading? The absolute antithesis of erotic? Well, a surprising number of women, many of them in their twenties, disagree, and have become increasingly vocal about their enthusiasm for adult videos.

Genevieve Field is the 27-year-old co-founder and co-editor of Nerve, an adult Zine on the World Wide Web that specializes in, as they put it, "literate smut." … "Thirty percent of those are women," she states. "We have a very high female readership, which we’re trying to grow. And the highest demographic of our readers is the 18-to-30-year olds. …

Adam & Eve, one of the country’s largest mail order distributors of adult videos, estimates that out of the 100,000 videos they sell every month, 25% of the mail orders are from women, as are 20% of the orders from their web site. None of these transactions require women to come face to face with anyone – and it seems to be the case that the more women can access adult material privately, the more women watch it. "The more that women feel like they’re not going to be judged, the more likely they are to watch," says Dr. Lonnie Barbach Ph.D., author of "The Erotic Edge" and a leading sex educator. "Then it becomes their own private sexuality, and it’s fine for them to enjoy. Because the culture still says that it’s not okay for women to watch this stuff. So women are saying, ’Well, I still feel this way, so I have to find a way to do it where nobody’s going to tell me that I’m bad.’"

Good Vibrations is a mail order company based out of San Francisco that has been in the business of helping women achieve sexual pleasure since 1977. With an artsy and colorful catalogue that includes carefully selected porn videos and all manner of sex toys, Good Vibrations makes the wildest orgasms seem easily within the reach of any woman with a sex drive and a credit card. There are 220,000 people on their mailing list – 60% of whom are women, according to Roma Estevez, the store’s video reviewer. In 1996 they sold 27,000 adult videos, with women, they estimate, making up roughly half of those sales. In the same period they also rented, out of the two retail stores they have in the Bay Area, 30,000 videos. "There are always going to be women," Estevez says, "who think that porn is exploitative – and of course there are still a big chunk of women who feel that way. But for women in their 20’s, porn isn’t the evil thing that it was for their mothers."

Part of the reason that twentysomethings are more comfortable watching adult videos has to do, not just with the culture changing, but with the ongoing metamorphosis of the porn industry itself. It may or may not be due to the angry critiques of porn made by many feminists, but at least some "mainstream" producers of adult videos are going out of their way to avoid any kind of situations or portrayals that could be considered demeaning to women.

Before Adam & Eve will sell any adult video, that video is screened by two independent sex therapists/psychologists, who both have to approve every aspect of it before it can be sold. They have to affirm that it doesn’t appeal to the "prurient interest" (defined as a morbid or shameful interest in sex), and that it is in some sense educational. They also look out for anything even remotely resembling coercion – a red flag nowadays. If a woman in a porn video even gives the appearance of being coerced into having sex, Adam & Eve won’t sell it. Partly this is to avoid prosecution in the more conservative parts of the country, but it’s mostly good business. The porn industry is finally waking up to the fact that a growing segment of their market is women – and it makes sense from a business standpoint not to alienate them. And although there is still porn being produced that conforms to the worst stereotypes of adult videos (in particular the so-called "gonzo" videos of Max Hardcore, who is so abusive toward women that the result can only be described as date rape captured on video), most of the women that I spoke with knew enough not to watch them. …

Many female porn stars have fans among twentysomething women. "There’s this one scene at the end of "Night Trips" with Randy Spears and Tori Welles," Colleen says, "and it’s just the hottest thing ever. There’s something very exciting when you see someone onscreen and they are so into the sex that they don’t care that there’s a camera watching."

Lisa, on the other hand, preferred Racquel Darrian. "I love seeing a woman being powerful like that, saying, ’You do what I say!’" It seems that, at least for some women, porn can be less degrading than empowering – and porn stars can be seen less as victims and more as role models, which may mark the greatest difference in attitude between their generation and their mothers. …

What remains to be seen is if the women who are watching porn end up influencing the men who, by and large, are the ones making the videos. "I think there’s going to be a demand for higher quality," says Dr. Barbach. "It’s not the genitals going in and out that’s a turn on. It’s the feeling that they’re getting through the watching of the women expressing their sexuality on the screen."

As Lisa puts it, "A good porn video is going to show women receiving pleasure..."

http://members.aol.com/Feuilla.....index.html

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As a woman in my 20's I didn't find porn offensive. I didn't find a lot of things offensive back then that I do now. I was learning and growing, still had baby teeth to cut while I made sense of the world and everything in it. I was far more aware of inequalities and injustices on a grand scale; wars, famines, poverty.

I'm not particularly surprised that it is younger women who are able to see porn as erotic. I can even understand why. Just like I can understand why people drink to excess or smoke cigarettes. I have been known to do both but it doesn't make it ok.

As a woman in my 40's I have different views of what is offensive.I am sometimes disappointed by younger women's views on feminism too, but then I remind myself that it has taken me 20 or more years to arrive at the place I am now...

I would like to go back to the women in Tom Moran's article in another 20 years to see if they hold the same views then as now.

It's interesting that there doesn't seem to be a typical age for men to enjoy porn. Indeed, middle aged and older men still appear to be accessing it; sometimes increasingly.

Woman may view it when they are young but seem to grow out of it...men apparantly keep viewing...

Hmmm. Wonder why that would be

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Does our perspective of porn become warped according to our realtionship status?
From a womans perspective, is she more open to porn that exhibits animalistic sex, if she has had , or is in, a commited realtionship, or feels relatively secure in her sexuality?
A woman who has experienced many failures in the love game. Can she appreciate porn of this kind?

If I look back honestly at my relationship , and when I discovered "he" was using telephone sex, and had a collection of hardcore porn (with too much anal for my taste0 It was this discovery that altered my view of him.
Without my knowledge of his taste for porn, his sexual behaviour and performance didn't change in a disrespectfull way whatsoever!

He never asked or expected me to do anything that wasn't comfortable.

He has weaknesses but he has many good qualities or I wouldn't be with him. His sexual nature and view of women was one of the things i liked about him.

One of the important things we can't forget is a balanced rational mind can view atrocious things and still remain balanced.
A balanced person is the product of childhood experience , parenting, bonding,....getting all their needs met.

Did I get WD's argument here that it is where an adult comes from , in terms of famillial health, that effects their behaviour.

We all know this is obvious.
Is the rise in a demand for sexual deviance, and it's incorporation into many lives, just a symptom of this family breakdown?

Great, this is all I have time for...I have to go and attend to my own life now.LOL
(this seems to be the norm right now..I read and want to respond, but I haven't the time to do it properly)

I really want to absorb this so when my son goes on his games sabatical with his friends for the weekend, maybe I can get on this PC and have some me time! :0)

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Hi Sleepless.

Woman may view it when they are young but seem to grow out of it...men apparantly keep viewing...

Hmmm. Wonder why that would be "

Well, that would be interesting if were were true. Except for your story, I don't have any evidence one way or another.

About your story, though, I have some thoughts.

First, lots of people tend to be less focused on sex and more conservative about lots of things as they get older--even men. So in 20 years, you have become 20 years older and your tastes and interests have changed.

Also, in the last 20 years, porn has gone through several changes. 20 years ago, the actors in porn looked more like normal people, you could count on an attempt at at least thin plot, love stories even, humor, costumes, sets...and don't forget bad soundtracks.

Then when cheap video equipment became available, sick Gonzo filmmakers started producing lots of their atrocious stuff--which I don't see can appeal evenb to a normal man, much less a normal woman. THat is something that has changed in the last 20 years.

The digital and internet revolution is causing new changes in all media now--including porn. For one thing women are now able to exert pressure for filmmakers to cater to their sensibilities and tastes--and apparently it is working.

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"It's Raining Men"

Chicago Firefighters reduce themselves to mere portrayals of anatomically correct fetish objects--for a good cause!

http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-u.....;gt1=10755

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Hi WD.
So what is the underlieing thought here?
You think this is exploitive or did you post that to make us GOILZ drool?!LOL!

BTW, how is your fitness regime going?
I started a thread on the other side, if interested.

I hope you're well and , uh, dating yet?hehe
I'm off to the gym.
Peace!

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Hi MsG.

Well, I think the men are reduced to mere fetish objects, just hunks of flesh in costume.

And I don't see anything wrong with that--the calendar is supposed to be entertaining--it is *not supposed* to realistically depict men or teach you how to sexually relate to men in a respectful, loving, mutually pleasurable manner.

The fitness thing is going--I took a couple weeks off to eat as much turkey, chocolate, cheese, mashed potatoes and beer as I could stuff down my mouth. I ate and ate and ate and watched dozens of tv shows and movies until my eyeballs were full.

When I went back to the Gym, and Weighed in, I had lost two pounds and I could lift heavier weights than before. That's so weird.

Anyway, yesterday was forearms and legs. It hurts, but in a good way.

January 12, 2008
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Hi WD

I'm not against T&A and Beefcake shots at all. Nothing wrong with appreciating a nice physique.

I prefer Calenders with garden shots, astronomy, animals, whatever,or RECIPE calenders!
Food! Isn't that a main focus of the Holidays? This year we had roast suckling Pig: crunchy skinned Portuguese style, on top of turkey, and all the other sweet sinful, and butter inbibed baking.

I joined the gym last week and am doing Cardio, weights, Have a boxing trainer, and I swim. I mean really SWIM! I used to compete so I tear up the pool.

My sex life is still dismal ( none had) but it isn't a priority or need now.
I guess I'm living on sex flashbacks or something,hehe.

I have to hand it to you. Still you come back even when you get ripped and misread.
I still think you're a liberated good guy. There are so few of ya's around! ;0)
Peace

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Hi Msguided,

Oh, sex...I sort of remember that.

Actually, I think I saw in a movie recently, what was the name of it...?
🙂

Dang its been a couple years now...three years? I have to start keeping a diary.

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