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WD's Smut and Porn Emporium
October 21, 2007
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Thanks for that response.
You obviously have alot of training in dealing with human mutants(ha!) and the wording was spot on parallel to my thoughts.

As to the "furries' Holy cow! I am a babe in the woods with kinky behaviour. I found a way more assesable and common practice of Diapered Adults on Myspace pretty wet. yikes! I don't get it? Incontinance may be a feature but some of those folks do the diaper thing like it's jewelry! Oh yes, You can look up the whole French Maid thing too that british men so enjoy. Nothing like a John Cleese kinda guy in a frilly French Maid frock.
I don't understand the BDSM culture, or psychology and haven't read much about it. I never thought this group would open up these avenues either. Fringe benifits I suppose!LOl

Still I'm a real prude with voyeuristic tendencies I suppose. That's Adult entertainment!

December 19, 2007
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Thanks Kroika for reminding me that I was neglecting this thread. I’ll pick that bone with you in another thread.

Before I go on, I want to address the issue of my motive for creating and perpetuating this thread. I have covered this some before in the WD Embassy thread.

I believe that Human Beings are imbued with innate dignity and beauty. And I believe that Human Beings are, basically, Good.

It is my way to pursue study and arguments that support that idea.

I am not as good or wise, and certainly not as beautiful a Human as I wish I was.

I am, however, doing my level best to manifest myself as the healthiest, most well-informed, wisest, and best-intended Human Being that I can

I am trying to simultaneously fulfill as a “good citizen,” as an Educator, as a Clinician, as a Scientist…and as a Pastor. At the same time, I must fulfill my responsibility as a friend, and family man. And at the same time, I am supposed to fulfill my responsibilities regarding my own happiness. All of that together is my task.

I frequently fail in that task. About 99 times a day. Such is the Human Condition.

But I do not consider my refusal to always be “politically correct,” or “inoffensive,” or in “good taste: to constitute “failure” in my attempt to be the best person I can be.

I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings, and I don’t relish offending my friends.

I believe that a good, healthy, decent, mature, responsible person MUST sometimes enthusiastically engage in speech or behavior that they *know* will be offensive to other people.

That is part of the paradox of being “good, responsible human being.”

Such is the Human Condition.

RE, the topic of “pornography:”

Like most people, I want to be understood.

And if you want to understand me, and where I am coming from RE pornography, you need to know that it is from the */exact same* place I come from on every other topic:

I am a sincere and well-intended person, and I am doing the best I can.

My understanding and discussion of “pornography” is just a piece of my attempt to understand and discuss “Human Sexuality” which is a piece of my attempt to understand and discuss the “Human Condition.”

I am a Humanist and I am an Esoteric Christian. And I am doing the best I can. And I regret that I sometimes offend some people.

But I have to be true to myself and I have to be true to my duty.

December 19, 2007
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Comments about my good intentions versus my ill-intentions have already been extensively covered in the Embassy thread, and that is the thread where it is appropriate to address those issues.

For this thread, I want our mutual task to be a light-hearted and open-minded approach to the topic of human sexuality.

I don't mean a light-minded approach though, because I want to introduce some fairly weighty topics as foundational material to the way I will be approaching the topic of pornography. That's just so you will have an idea of where I, personally am coming from-- I don't want this to be primarily a science thread; I mainly want to talk about "This is what is what is true--holy cow, isn't that remarkable" kind of stuff.

December 19, 2007
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In case I haven't said it before, I am part of what is loosely known as "sex-positive" culture.

So I find the study of human sexual behavior to be worthwhile and also fascinating—from the psychosocial angle and also from the angle of biology, particularly evolutionary biology.

I am a biologist, so I want to first warm up with the biology angle.

After that, I propose to tackle the medical implications, then, the psychosocial angle, and hopefully, at some point, the spiritual aspects of the phenomenon of “pornography.”

December 19, 2007
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I have a biology essay burning a hole in my pocket, but I am going to take a break from the thread to allow preliminary comments here, hopefully some of which will express curiosity and encouragement about the next bit, which is about how Natural History, especially ecology, genetics and evolutionary biology are pertinent to the topic of pornography.

Please direct hate-mail to the Embassy thread.

December 19, 2007
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I saw this thread and went on to read the entire thing beginning in mid-October.

Personally, I like to have my buttons pushed because it alerts me to something inside myself that needs to be addressed....otherwise - it would just be a "non-issue."

It seems to me that whenever I am confused about something or don't understand it entirely.....I always look to examples in nature for insight.

For example, I have this little obscure book: "How The Animals DO IT" by Larry Feign. Interesting stuff.

I also like to watch shows like National Geographics': "Taboo" and other shows on that channel (or maybe it's the Travel channel?) that showcase different indigineous tribes and their way of life.

I am always out to learn more and find some interesting info here......

December 19, 2007
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Perhaps you could refresh my memory here wd, as apparently I am the "proprietress" of this thread.

Have I ever posted here?

I guess I'll have to go look.

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December 19, 2007
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Oh i did!

Well, I guess I could be seen that way. The "proprietress of smut and porn." I don't know if that's funny or gross.

I'm sure this will be quite interesting.

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December 19, 2007
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I want to go over, from the viewpoint of evolutionary psychology some background that is relevant to many aspects of human sexuality, including pornography.

Human Beings are interesting animals—we are evolved (or created, if you prefer) to be “hypersexual” compared to most other animals—including other primates like chimpanzees and gorillas. It’s actually built into our biology.

Chimpanzees and Gorillas, like cats and dogs, pretty much only engage in sexual intercourse when the female is in estrous—or “in heat.” During estrous, the females look different, smell differently and act differently.

Human females, unlike other primates, do not have a distinct estrous when they advertise their fertility and become sexually receptive. Instead, human females have what is called “concealed ovulation” and are (potentially) sexually receptive 365 days a year.

Evolution-wise that uniquely human pattern is thought to be related to at least four phenomenon.

1) Most apes are mostly quadrupedal—walking around on all fours makes it easy for a female to display her genitalia—and in apes the female genitalia undergo dramatic visual changes prior to and during ovulation. It is literally a big neon red sign that screams out “which of you males is ape enough to father my children?!”

Humans have been bipedal for a long time—so bright red swollen genitals during ovulation won’t be visible from a distance—so that “signal” lost value as an advertising trick a long time ago.

2) Female-Female Competition for mates.

Concealed ovulation allows human females to use charming behavior to sequester male “sperm resources” and also to circumvent interruption of intercourse by more dominant females.

3) The explosive development of language, technology and social cooperativeness as factors towards individual survival and also what is called “inclusive fitness” or the likelihood of an individual having offspring that survive to have offspring of their own have led to a pressured co-evolution of human men and women.

For most primates, the male invests most energy in his relationship with a female around the time of ovulation—he just shows up, does his thing, and then goes back to eating shoots and leaves. The ape equivalent of watching football, I guess. Point is, the male knows exactly when to invest his courtship behavior and knows exactly who to invest it in.

But Human Beings are able to exploit a much wider range of habitats than other primates. And exploitation of marginal habitats, and the social mechanisms that made that possible, created a scarcity of mates for men and women, and also increased the value of investing more heavily in just a few or even just one mate.

The basic animal purpose of sexual behavior is having offspring.

For most males in the animal kingdom, that is a pretty straightforward process.

But not if you are a Human Male. Because of concealed ovulation, A human male, who wants to be *sure* of fathering children with a particular woman, pretty much needs to be available for many acts of sexual intercourse.

So evolution of female reproductive biology has required men to evolve, too—into much hornier beasts. So if you ever find yourself annoyed by a man’s “excessive” sexual appetites, blame your great, great (great-nth) grandmother.

From the human female standpoint, that is a good thing, because male sexual behavior also tends to include other “courtship behaviors.” The offering of courtship gifts, like food, nest-building, nest-defense, mate-defense, nurturing of offspring, etc. Concealed ovulation encourages extra courtship behaviors from the man .

And it turns out that that increased investment by men has been beneficial to men, as well as women—and also to our offspring—there is a definite biological benefit to being a man who invests in the “family man” strategy more than the “Don Juan” strategy or the “random rapist” strategy.

And that leads to…

4) The development of Monogamy as a unique (among higher primates anyway) and useful evolutionary strategy.

Human beings are not particularly monogamous. But we are the most monogamous of the higher primates. Situation # 1-4 as described above give biological insight as to why and how we got to be this way.

So you have this hypersexual primate—Humans. Humans, in general, have a lot of sex, and we think about it a lot. Sexuality is a theme or subtext to many, many human interactions. So: creative, idiosyncratic, intensely social beings that we are, it is no wonder that there are almost as many “takes” on sexuality as there people

And the more I study Human Sexuality the more I am struck by the incredible diversity of Human Desire. I think it is really important to keep that in mind.

December 20, 2007
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According to Matthew 15:11, Jesus said:

"What goes into a man's mouth does not make him 'unclean,' but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him 'unclean.'"

December 20, 2007
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WD,

".....then goes back to eating shoots and leaves. The ape equivalent of watching football, I guess."

I needed a laugh this morning 🙂

Insightful stuff.

It's also interesting to note *that as huumans, we still have that primal release of pheromones (from the Greek, meaning "I carry excitement") deeply embedded and carried through the vomeronasal organ (or VNO) that picks ups and processes pheromones rleased by other people.

*From the book: Love Scents - How Our Natural Pheromones Influence Your Relationships, Your Moods, and Who You Love" by Michelle Kodis.

Also, I have heard, that should a group of human females live closely together, that after a time, all will eventually come to experience their menstrual cycle at the same time.

I also understand that many species of marine fish gather harems, over which a few males fight for dominance. The losers either leave the area, or they join the group....and become female! They change coloration, develop female sexual organs and produce eggs like everybody else.

Females normally lay eggs in nests in the coral, where they are later fertilized. The male may find himself having to ejaculate sperm every thrity seconds to accommodate all the females in his group.

For the harem boss, the constant effort of fighting rivals, performing courtship displays and spawning with dozens of mates is exhausting. If he weakens or dies and no other male comes along to take his place, the largest female in the harem assumes the role: she becomes a he!

(That little tid-bit from the Larry Feign book.)

This is an interesting topic.

Personally, I do not discount anything found in nature as it could relate either directly or indirectly to humans....afterall, are we not just 2 genes different in our DNA than from a cow? (Thought I heard that somewhere.....)

December 20, 2007
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Worried_Dad -

Just a simple question...what is an "esoteric Christian?" That's a new term for me.

Thanks.

- Ma Strong

December 20, 2007
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Hi Ma Strong,
Your question is very simple.

I regret that the answer is not simple.

It is hard to summarize any religion or faith system in a few pithy words.

And esoteric faith systems are particularly hard to sum up in a "sound-bite."

So I won't even try.

Instead, I will make a whole 'nother thread for discussion about this topic.

December 21, 2007
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Here is an interesting short (less than 3 minutes) film about porn addiction.

http://www.atomfilms.com/film/.....t_porn.jsp

December 21, 2007
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LOL!!

Wow, that one flagpole hand sure was red!! I wonder what was up with that?

December 21, 2007
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I thought it was funny, too. "Someone needs a spanking!"

December 21, 2007
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Yeah, that was funny.

December 22, 2007
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Suburban swingers fight law…

“On a quiet street in a Dallas suburb, dozens of guests have been meeting for sex in a private house. Do they have a right to party?
Jim Trulock and Julie Norris look like an average suburban Dallas couple. He's a graying middle-aged divorcé pushing 60. She's 30 years younger but partial to frumpy floral dresses.

But on weekends their late-'70s split-level house in the southwestern Dallas suburb of Duncanville is transformed into "The Cherry Pit." Tubs of whipped cream are laid out with the chips and dip on the yellow Formica countertop. A garland of thong panties adorns a kitchen wall. After a game of Naked Twister or a turn under the disco ball, Jim and Julie and their most intimate friends might pile into their steamy oversize hot tub.

And for the, ahem, climax of the night? A semiprivate romp in a side bedroom or a more gregarious encounter on white sheets in "the pit": a half-dozen beds pushed together in front of the fireplace….

Norris, a 29-year-old nonpracticing attorney with a law degree from Southern Methodist University, is cheerfully open about swinging, which she describes as a healthy and fulfilling lifestyle for couples. Their attorney has advised them to refrain from media interviews while their criminal case is pending, but she spoke briefly with NEWSWEEK. One common misconception about swingers, she says, is that they have troubled relationships. "Many people who are swingers believe that it saved their marriage. Now it's part of their marriage and part of who they are…”

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78032

December 29, 2007
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I've started my research into the porn addiction thing.

Along the way I found a blog by a woman who works in a video store that has a porn section. It's called "True Porn Clerk Stories." The woman is a pretty good writer and is also pretty funny.

Here is one of her more serious posts...

December 29, 2007
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Here's what I've learned in my year-and-change as a porn clerk: men like porn.

Admittedly, my sample is skewed because many men come to our store just for the porn and have other accounts elsewhere, but almost all of the men that come in do eventually go down to the porn section. And I don't mean "almost all" in the 90% sense, I mean all but maybe two since I've started working there.

This is a lesson because I now understand that pretty much any man I date is going to at least occasionally rent and enjoy porn. I don't think a lot of women have fully dealt with that. If one reads the advice columns, a lot of women can't even deal with the idea that their mate masturbates at all. Ladies, please. Chill out.

What the porn section has taught me that I think many women don't understand is that porn is a physical thing for guys, not an emotional one. It seems to be a quick, physical release. It's a way of feeling good and making sure the plumbing is still in good working order and that's about it. With the exception of the addicts, I don't think it has any more significance than grabbing a burger when you're hungry or standing up and stretching when you've been trapped in a car all day.

Many women are jealous of or threatened by porn, and we shouldn't be. The key is the difference between your dog, which is a Sheltie-terrier mix that hides under the bed during thunderstorms, has a passion for cat food and prefers tug-of-war to fetch, and the general dogness of the "dog" in the dictionary.

I think a woman in a porn movie, as a rule, is taken as a general woman rather than a specific woman. She is there to stand in for general womanness. (And, based the number of rewind fees I dish out, once the viewer comes she ceases to exist.)

I think guys rent porn as a way to have the pleasure of sex without the added complexity of having to tend to someone else's needs. Which doesn't mean that he's a bad guy or won't do plenty of tending later, it's just that right now he just wants to wolf down a burger.

In a way, a guy who is renting a porn video is courteously having his selfish sex on his own time so he won't bother you with it. And "selfish" isn't a bad thing here. It's also selfish to take a hot bath and read a book by yourself, but it's important to do that every now and then.

And besides, if you had a choice between your guy renting a video and renting a person, which would you choose?

Now that I've cleared up that little misunderstanding for all time, here's what men don't understand about porn: women do take it personally. When a woman sees your porn rental, she is likely to conclude that that is what you want. The sex act in question, the level of communication, the inflated porn body, all of it. In all likelihood she doesn't see the woman on the box as a convenient avatar of general woman-ness, she sees her as tangible proof that what the owner of said box really, truly wants is a nineteen-year-old emacaited blonde with enormous fake breasts and a deep desire to take it up the ass.

This is why a gentleman is very, very careful about leaving his porn lying around the house.

Communication can't hurt and all that, but screw that, I'm not an advice columnist. I just think, based on what I've seen, that men and women look at porn very differently and it can't hurt for both sides to take that into account.

I think it's cool when couples rent porn together, and I'm impressed with how much they had to do to get there, or with what I hope they did, anyway.

I know it's fashionable to say that men and women are fundamentally different again - God, I cannot wait for that particular social pendulum to swing back - but I don't think they are, or at least not in this case. I think attitudes toward porn have a lot to do with socialization. There's a pressure to overpersonalize sex on one side, and to depersonalize it on the other. As always, I think moderation in all things is a good way to go.

Figuring this out has helped me understand my customers better, I think. Knowing the guy is watching for general sex and not specific sex makes it easier to see why we have those four-hour clip jobs of just come shots. Keeping in mind that what our clients are renting is physical and not emotional or mental keeps me from caring too much about what they're renting, and in many ways that detachment is a key part of my job. (Trust me - the guy with the Iowa driver's license and the wedding ring does *not* want me to care about the fact that he's renting gay porn.)

In a way, I keep learning the same lesson over and over again: just because people's tastes don't match mine doesn't mean they're wrong. Soon, I hope, it'll stick

http://www.improvresourcecente.....038;page=2

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I need some time to digest this...

wolfing down a burger......

December 29, 2007
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Yeah, there's a lot there to "digest."

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This is a big burger. Reminds me of that Carl's Jr. commercial for the 6 dollar burger. Is that Carl's Jr.? Ya know- where the goop gets all over ya or it's not a real burger.

ah yes. some time to digest. i keep reading it over and over lol.

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Here is her last post--she got a job producing videogames.

Valedictory Address

Writing this journal has taught me many things.

The first is that people who hold a given point of view too passionately tend not to be careful readers. I've had rabidly anti-porn people (mostly women) tear into me because I didn't say that all porn ever is inherently evil and I've had ferociously pro-porn people (mostly men) send me frothingly outraged e-mails because I didn't say that all porn ever is healthy, free and wonderful.

Both groups almost invariably accused me of writing things I hadn't - and sometimes accused me of taking positions when I'd clearly written the opposite sentiment. At first I thought I was being willfully misinterpreted, but then I realized that these people were just seeing what they expected to see, and what, I think, they wanted to see. It's hard to deal with someone's gray areas when you're spoiling for a fight.

But that (except for being plagiarized) has been the only negative. Mostly this odd little burst of pseudo-semi-almost-fame has taught me that people are funny, thoughtful and kindhearted.

I was amazed at how many strangers dropped me a note to say that they'd enjoyed something I'd written or just to say hang in there and it would all be over soon. I couldn't believe how many people who were brand new to these boards kicked in a donation to keep them going when the bandwith got tight.

As for the old IRC hands, I knew they were a nice bunch, but I've been constantly floored by their generosity of spirit. Performers and writers are supposed to be viciously jealous and competetive, but these have failed miserably at it. Their eerie ability to drop notes of praise and support just when I needed them made me much bolder about sending around writing samples, even ones without porn in them. So thanks for that.

While I'm at it, I’d like to say thanks to everyone, past and present, at my video store. I am
forced to agree with Mr. Buddy: you rule.

To everyone else, I’d just like to say this: Be nice to your video clerks. Rewind, take your
late fees like an adult, and keep the spooge to a minimum. Better yet, be nice to anyone you
meet in a customer service position. Odds are very, very good that they’re having a rougher
day than you are, and it’s easy to become a store favorite just by being The Friendly Guy
Who Never Yells.

And, in the immortal words of Aqua, be HAPPY!

Love,

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Still digesting...

I feel a good poop coming on.....lol

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