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Vipassna Meditation or What?
November 14, 2004
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I went on a spiritual retreat at Hazelden in Minnesota and got a small intro to vipassna or insight meditation. The person who introduced this said that in their experience this was a type of meditation that is closely aligned with twelve step programs. I am in a twelve step program and would like to explore my meditation practice and strengthen it.
They suggested to find a teacher. There are none here on island I live on. There is a yoga retreat and I spoke with persons there about their "type" of meditation.

Since I am so new I am struggling with this. At yoga retreat, they have said they let thoughts come in but try and see them as clouds passing by and concentrate on the background. That we will watch our thoughts but not get involved in them.

With the other meditation instructor said, if thoughts arise we acknowledge them and say silently to ourself thinking, thinking, thinking until thoughts disappear. It appears that clearing the mind and having no thoughts is best.

I am confused and as I said I am new.
Is insight meditation better for persons working 12 step program?

It was suggested to me to start one type of practice and stay with that. As there is no instructor with vipassna, they suggested I visit http://www.dharma.com or org and purchase tapes.

Can one "learn" proper techniques from tapes?

At yoga retreat they said meditation is more powerful when done in groups? Listening to tapes would be an isolated practice.

Any input?

November 14, 2004
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The shakyamuni, or historical, Buddha achieved enlightenment/awakening on his own. Of course he was, according to the mythology, a far more advanced being than the norm....but I think that individual spiritual practice is just as important. In fact, like you, many practitioners live in areas where there is no immediate sangha, or buddhist community...but you can get a quasi community by attending annual retreats to get pointers and instruction, and research the practice yourself.

There are a multitude of different meditative techniques - the main two are insight or viapssana meditation, and tranquility meditation. Tranquility and Insight, by Amadeo Sole-Leris, is a great resource on the history and basic techniques of these two practices as taught in a few ancient buddhist texts.

This isn't in any way a push to convert you, but Buddhists have been perfecting this type of meditative technique for thousands of years (haha).

November 14, 2004
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Cici,
Thanks. I read and am re reading book by Thich Nhat Hanh called 'The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching'. I have read about Buddhism many many years ago and it never made sense.
I must be different now.

I looked up the retreats on dharma.org and downloaded some of the lectures from the dharmastream internet. I am so new I don't want to overload myself.

I will search for this book you recommended Cici.

Thank you. And thanks for the 'push' he he

November 15, 2004
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Hi upfront, I facilitate and have been through 12 Step programs. The 12 Step Program as you know is realizing your life is unmangeable, and turning it over to a "higher poswer" whom for me is God. The meditation in the last steps are to encourage you to know where you source of strength comes from...higher power, or God. A lot of the new meditaton classes being taught, try to adapt themselves to already existing programs. As in why would they tell you "no", then you might walk away. I literally know of someone who tried the meditation techniques and was catapulted across the room, from an unknown energy source. "Something" did not want her there...a long story, but she is a Christian and was trying a new meditation class. Personally I had never heard of this happening before bt it did to her. Depends on what and who you believe in.. a lot of New Age stuff out there. Hate to be so opinionated, but on this one I am.

November 15, 2004
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Hate to be snarky, but I don't think you can call Buddhist meditation "new age" since meditative techniques have been in existance for at least 5,000 years. Which would be 3,000 years longer than Christianity.

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Hey Tez this is the only thread with "meditation" in its title. Is this one it? If not, do you rememebr its title?

March 30, 2006
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Vipassana meditation is 'insight meditation'. It is one 'focus' that can be used in meditation.

If you want to pursue Buddhist meditation techniques then you might be best starting at the beginning rather than trying to jump ahead. If you went to university without going through the school system first you would be horribly lost. The same applies here.

Visit the Buddhist Centre near you and see what they have to offer.

Here is a simple 'cut and paste' from some Ch'an Buddhist literature that you might find helpful:

"MEDITATION

Meditation is commonly practiced by Buddhists to attain inner happiness and to foster wisdom, leading to purification of the mind and deliverance. It is an activity of mental consciousness.

The happiness we gain from our physical environment doesn't truly satisfy us or free us from our problems. Dependence on impermanent things and clinging to rainbow-like happiness produce only delusion, followed by grief and disappointment. According to Buddhism, there exists true and lasting happiness, and every one has the potential to experience it. True happiness lies deep in our mind, and ways to access it can be practiced by anyone. If the mind is compared to an ocean, thoughts and feelings such as happiness, irritation, fantasy and boredom can be compared to waves that rise and fall on its surface. Just as waves can subside to reveal the stillness of the ocean's depth, so too is it possible to calm the turbulence of our minds to reveal natural purity and clarity. Meditation is a means for achieving this.

Our delusions, including jealousy, anger desire, pride and the like stem from our misunderstanding of reality and habitual clinging to the ways we see things. Through meditation, we can recognize our mistakes, and adjust our mind to think and react more realistically and honestly. This transformation of mind happens gradually and delivers us from instinctive and habitual fallacies, allowing us to become familiar with the truth. We can then eventually free ourselves of problems like dissatisfaction, anger and anxiety. Finally, by realizing the way that things actually exist, we will completely eliminate the very source of all disturbing states of mind.

Thus, meditation is not simply a matter of sitting in a particular posture or breathing in a particular way; these are to help us to concentrate to acquire a stable state of mind. Different meditation techniques are practiced in different cultures, but they all share the common principle of cultivating the mind rather than letting an untrained mind control our behavior."

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