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United States going thru major culture shock.....
October 22, 2008
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As a US citizen, I am realizing lately that I am in the midst of a major culture shock.

Humbling.

On many levels.

Most notably, that other countries (China & India) seem to have always subscribed to an idealized 'western' standard of living.

A 'standard of living' which was prevelant in the 1950's post-war standard of living perhaps?

That WE - the folks here in the US - were something to perhaps strive towards?

What a farce right now - in comparison!

Some economist (actually - I think it was a Venture/Capitalist on the Charlie Rose Show) here lately summed it all up by describing it point blank - borrow (from China), buy (from mid-east), burn into co2.

Borrow, Buy, Burn.

And now - here we sit.

A most 'something come whop us up from the side of our heads' kind of mentality.

Should we (the US) have been considered the nirvana/example of currrent society/way of living for other countries to perhaps try and strive towards?

Sadly, I am thinking so.

I so wish that I could afford to travel, to find out - first hand - just how this rather ingrained, embellished, idealized mode of living the 'American Dream" has infiltrated itself to other parts of the world - and to somehow, perhaps suggest that THIS is what all other countries might subscribe towards.

To - in effect and IMHO, basically subscribe towards what really amounts to (as someone once put it many years ago....) to trade in the family jewels for a night on the town.

You know?

Is/Are the example of (not girls gone wild...) but gone-wild capitalism really what other countries strive towards?

Sad.

This shift towards unapoligetic (sp?) greed?

Interesting time right now.

Evidently, the US was setting some kind of example to other parts of the world as to what was possible.....rather inconsequently.

(Geesh - I sure do wish NOW that I had paid more attention in school as to the REASONS for the rise and fall of great empires......)

I think - Europe kind of has it figured out already.

They sure have been around alot longer than the US, afterall.

From what I can gather, they have no qualms in running around with little, itty-bitty gas-saving cars, vespas, walking, buying, bicycling for fresh, local food every or every other day....yet - here we are - in the US - boldy and unapoligically (sp) driving around in our expensive SUV's and Hummer's with such an ignorant, priviledged sense about ourselves that now - all of a sudden - what's that saying......the chickens have finally come home to roost?

Incredible.

Wake up call - I should think - for the whole world...........

But that's the thing - I think.

For other countries to aspire to.

To finally gain enough confidence towards....if the US can do it - why can't we?

But now - I wonder - is/was it so great of an economical model?

To be so hell bent and whisky bound (in the words of Hank Willimas Jr.) to subcribe towards a rahter shallow and flimsly society which values wealth above anything else?????

whew.

I dunno.

What do you think?

All I know right now is that I can no longer relate to the many TV commercials right now which USED TO support some kind of pseudo-standard of living - which sadly - no longer exist in my book.........

Just my 2 (perhaps non-coppper anymore) cents.

tBt

October 22, 2008
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tBt -

Sort of like being walked down a garden path and shoved into a waste dump!

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October 22, 2008
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I really do love this country, but it sure has gone through some harrowing changes.

But I will tell you this, if Obama is elected, look out..your freedom will really go down the tubes. He is not who you think he is folks.

'nuff said.

October 22, 2008
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redblonde. LOL

October 22, 2008
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Personally, I am voting for Ralph Nader.

I know that it is against all odds- but then again - I have to vote my conscious (sp?)

Ralph - in my opinion - really has it going on.

Just a damned shame that he is snuffed out of public view - even on PBS!!!!!!

I am thinking long term here.

That perhaps - eventually - the independent/green party will eventually gain some ground in the future - and that can only happen through a show of steady on-going support and momentum and votes.

This two-party system is screwed!

An independent may not win in 2008 - or even in 2012 - but you can bet your bippy that by continually voting for an independent....EVENTUALLY - the recognition of this 3rd party just HAS to take precedence.

Just have to be willing to know that - for right now - I may not be a part of ANY 'winning team' right now - but that that is OK in my book.

I am willing to prolong any secret, covert temporary ego-inducing status of my own which might serve to put me 'in line' with whomever eventually shakes out to be 'the winner' for 2008 in exchange for doing the hard and unpopular thing and forging and voting towards a movement which is both unpopular and in it's infancy right now in an effort to bring to light another choice/momentum party which will no doubt continue to gain ground - inch by inch - in say - 4-8-12-16 years from now.

This two-party system has played itself out.

VOTE RALPH NADER!!!!!!!!

link:

http://www.votenader.org

tBt

October 24, 2008
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A vote for anyone else but the candidates is a vote that does not really get counted. I was going to vote for Hillary until she dropped out, then I decided to vote for McCain just to vote AGAINST Obama. Obama is freaky, scary, weird, an enigma, and the Muslims, as stated by Louis Farrakan, think that he is the Islamic messiah that is supposed to show up!

Check out these links:

http://www.nationalterroralert.....nipulated/

http://www.obamacrimes.com/

October 25, 2008
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The economy is in the toilet. The US has been in a serious recession for about a year and it will likely be worse in '09.
The Fed f-ed everyone royally. Greenspan was saying recently that its not his fault but
is "in a state of shocked disbelief".
What's he expect for running a money economy on paper since 1971?
Knucklehead!
It occurred to me that the US monetary system began on gold in 1791 and ended in 1971: same numbers.
..Hmm?!

But seriously, Reagan used to say any nation that goes off the gold
standard ceases to be a great nation. 1791 to 1971 was apparently the American experiment and now its over.
Unless they return to a gold standard pretty darned quick. the zeitgeist is coming to fruition. The company a friend of mine works for, Freeport McMoran Copper and Gold is in trouble. Since he began with these guys in July their stock has dropped 79 percent! Unprecedented in the history of this country.
And they're not the only ones. Hundreds of America's once proud and great companies are equally devastated.

At this rate, if the Fed doesn't get their act together, the money economy, that they tried to run on paper, will cease to exist and totally collapse. We've seen these precedents in American history and the outcome has always been the Feds compensated properly to save our global asses. They probably will this time as well but my question is "why do we want the global currency to be managed in this way? Why not abolish the Federal Reserve like Ron Paul said he would if he were President"? Problem solved if that were the case but then Rockefeller, worth 10-15
trillion dollars, and Rothschild, worth 100-150 trillion, would no longer control our lives. A-holes.

I'm hoping the American people wake the hell up and kick these bastards
out of our money supply instead of relying on this centrist democrat that's running (McCain) and this Leftist Socialist that's running (Obama)

October 27, 2008
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I know we complain alot and I know many are on edge at this next election, but this writing below is a nice reminder of who we are. 🙂

A Masterpiece

of writing

No matter what your political convictions are this is an eye opener....What a thankless people we are!!!

David Letterman, on President Bush. (Surprising)

David Letterman wrote this; it's the David we don't often see....

'As most of you know I am not a President Bush fan, nor have I ever been, but this is not about Bush, it is about us, as Americans, and it seems to hit the mark.'

'The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some Poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source, right?

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the President. In essence 2/3 of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change. So being the knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, 'What are we so unhappy about?'

A. Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7 Days a week?

B. Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and heating in the winter?

C. Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?

D. Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

E. Maybe it is the ability to drive our cars and trucks from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification papers as we move thro ugh each state.

F. Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide temporary shelter?

G. I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough either.

H. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

I. Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home.

J. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family, and your belongings.

K. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.

L. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90% of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

M. How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?

Maybe that i s what has 67% of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have, and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me?

Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad? Think about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the 'Media' told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a 'general' discharge, an 'other than honorable' discharge or, worst case scenario, a 'dishonorable' discharge after a few days in

the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans?

Say what you want, but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are for-profit corporations. They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by 'justifying' them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it

this way......Insane!

Turn off the TV, burn Newsweek , and use the New

York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad. We are among the most blessed people on Earth and should thank God several times a day, or at least be thankful and appreciative.' 'With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides, flooding, severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another, and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, 'Are we sure this is a good time to take God out of the

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE!!'

-David Letterman

Please keep this in circulation. There are so many people who need to read this and grasp the truth of it all.

October 27, 2008
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WHOA!

Thanks for posting this (and for the reminder on just how good we have it here.)

EXCELLENT PERSPECTIVE!!!!!!!!

Dave is dead-on!

(My finacee habitually utters the words "Spoiled America.")

Giving me something to think about....and I always appreciate that!

Funny the mention of 'turn off your TV' as that is exactly the name of a website I cited on my other thread about digital TV.

Hmmmmm.

Thanks for providing me some well needed balance here......

You know, what popped into my mind just now was something that happened to me awhile back in shopping at the local Ross or TJ Maxx store.

I noticed many other women like myself just aimlessly waundering (sp?) about in the picture frames/cookware/glassware section with nothing in particular in mind.

Kind of bored actually.

And I thought to myself as I remembered a PBS special I had seen just the night before - how some folks in a village in Africa somewhere had to walk a couple of miles each way for just a bucket or two of dirty water and thought to myself - how lucky I am!

My girlfriend is from Holland.

Her parents went through the awful famine there in the 1940's.

When I go to her house, she takes pride in being able to make sure that everyone gets enough food and is just as pleased as punch to finally be able to call herself as US citizen and will vote for the first time in November.

Again, thanks for this post.

It has given me some well needed perspective!

tBt

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