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To All the Precious People on this site!!!
May 4, 2005
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Hello to All the Preciuos people on this site,

I have always been encouraged, amused and inspired by you ALL. I will greatly miss your insight. I am so proud of you ALL. You are people of pirnciples, MamaC, Coda_Mom, Omw, Camer, Angel4u, Sewunique, Brownie, Chickyfighter, HSB, AW, Aces, Peacesoul, KC30, JW, Cuthul, Bonita, Gully, Orangeboy, Memphis, dmurphy, intheprocess, rosy girl, Wounded, Whitedove, Charlie and..... I am sure they are some others I have, unfortunately, missed.

I do not know what to say. This whole situation is so funny!!! I know when a thread talks about sex, I refrain from reading it. Simply cause I know Satan is there tempting me!

What about the vulgar and obscene language that is used in some threads!!! I honestly stop when I see a post with words like that.

I am even a sensitive person. Even in my daily life, I do Not preach to people. People observe my character, and they start to ask me spiritual questions.

I have a buddhist male friend . I just talk to him in friendly way, I never preached or told him anything about Jesus Christ.... He himself, the other day, came to my place to see my PC. And the end before leaving, he asked me for a copy of a Whole Bible which I did not use for my daily devotion. I was surprised, cause he was never before interested in that before. And I cheerfully gave him one which I did not use for my daily prayer.

All the best, God bless You All!!!

(((HUGS & GOD'S WIIL!!!)))

May 4, 2005
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Ras, are you signing off?

May 4, 2005
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Rasputin.....no, do not over react.

Do not allow this new stupid rule to make you leave. You are so helpful to so many people and to not have others who are hurting learn from you would be more of an injustice than the SC new stupid rule !!!

Ignore it and keep doing all the wonderful things you've been doing

I refuse to say good bye to you

May 4, 2005
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I sure hope not. Ras, I truly think that this can all be worked out. This site has been through it's ups and downs, that is going to happen at times when we have such a diverse group, and dealing with all kinds of problems, ya know? Our SC is a kind and just person, she has feelings too and is willing to try her best to work with everyone here. I know I was upset about this myself, still a bit sad and I probably said some things last night out of frustration and anger, for that I apologize to everyone here if I caused hurt feelings. I'm just going to wait and see what happens, but I will respect her decision. I kind of look at it this way...I can either choose to stay and be a part of this wonderful group (which I would truly miss) or I can leave. I'm choosing to stay.

Thinking of you,

Sunny

May 4, 2005
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Omw! I am leaving this for God to judge!

I honestly do Not think I have broken a rule!

I might tell people to pray, but so what? This is mentioned in Beatie's and Norwood's book .

Peaching is when you are Condesceding, Acting in Superior, presumptuous and Self-Righteous way. To me, although some Christians are like that, I try to stay away from them.

I believe in LOVE to everyone including non-believers, and people of all other creeds and faith.

I am leaving everything in God's Hand to decide for me!

May 4, 2005
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I hope we all can work something out I went to the other sites and unfortunately they just arent as good as this site. Ras I hope you stick around for a while, maybe something can be worked out!

May 4, 2005
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I will come back if something can be worked out.
Fine line between respecting Sc's request...which is right, but also not standing up for what is believed in.

May 4, 2005
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Rasputin: Also, OMW and CODA_Mom:

I understand how you are feeling. Let's not jump the gun just yet please. I'm sure there will be something worked out here. It won't continue as it is...... with "you know who" 🙂 in control how can it.

Please stay till the end of the movie. ya know?

May 5, 2005
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Rasputin, please don't go, I have come back each time looking for the very people who are leaving. This site is nothing if I have no godly women such as you and MamaC, Coda_Mom, Omw, Camer, Angel4u, Sewunique, Brownie, Chickyfighter, HSB, AW, Aces, Peacesoul, KC30, JW, Cuthul, Bonita, Gully, Orangeboy, Memphis, dmurphy, intheprocess, rosy girl, Wounded, Whitedove, Charlie, etc...to look up to!! I pray though that if this is God's will I will have the courage to let go, and learn from this...for there is always a lesson to be learned. Please, keep me in your prayers, I will do the same, and know that in the spirit I will always feel close to you all, thanks for everything to each and everyone of you!!! Many blessings and much luv!
((((hugs))))) This is truly a sad day!!(tears rolling down my cheek)

May 5, 2005
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Rasputin:Please don't go.I and this site need you.

These past 2 days i felt sad and very hurt but understand this to that we are codependent and we tend to overreact to situations like this.When were angry or upset we can't think straight.I did some praying and thinking about this yesterday and i feel god has showed me that the SC was not talking about not mentioning of god at all.That she was basically talking about the difference of opinions concerning religions.

I really believe thats what god has shown me.I was gonna leave at first too until i calmed down and reread what the sc wrote and prayed about it.Maybe you could go back and reread what she said and really think on it.

It just so happens that someone had brought it to her attention about the issues involving religion.They and this person had a conflict about it.I personally don't think the sc knows about the obscene language mentioned here.At first i always thought that she reads everyones posts but i'm thinking now that she may not be aware of it unless someone brings it to her attention.

Lets give the SC a little slack.But also please stay on here for a little while and see what happens.

This applies to you also chickyfighter.I hope your not leaving either.Please give it a little more time to to see what happens.

You both will truly be missed!!!!!

May 5, 2005
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((((((((((Rasputin)))))))))))))

May 5, 2005
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Right now I am praying about this for God's will in this situation.

I honestly feel attached and in love with everyone of you as if I have known you personally. You have all touched my heart, and soul. Your pains, sorrows, agonies.

I pray also for a compromise a "fair compromise" where justice will reign.

I really love every body on this site. Every one is a sweetheart!!!

(((((((((AAC)))))))))

May 5, 2005
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Dear Ras,

As with anything worthwhile, like being here at this site, to sharing of yourself and others, and stating our opinions and thoughts; many emotions surface. Just as it has here in all these recent threads.

Sometimes it is a good thing to open Pandora's box; it releases many pent up emotions and thoughts. It can provide a venue where otherwise things may have been kept stuffed and not discussed.

There is a purpose for all of this recent debating, grandstanding, pleading, judging and defending. Hang tight; it needs to be played out. Some feathers have been ruffled, but I am certain that we will all come to terms and back together again. This site and all who come here (in whatever form and diversity they present themselves in) are all great bunch of people.

Just hang in there, okay?

Sew

May 5, 2005
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In my opinion, what SC had originally written has been taken far from what she intended. Just my opinion.

To explain myself better here. Has everyone listened to what was written by SC, or have some people misunderstood and read more into it?

Have some read it through emotions and are reacting, which has led to over reacting?

Which has led to defending one's positions and beliefs?

And then to attacking and judging?

Which has led to or opened the door for high drama?

Which has led to multiple threads created from this situation?

Have people felt threatened, fearful, sad and felt like leaving the site, or others saying fine, it is your choice if you want to leave the site?

It is about time to go back to where we all started here and to read and think about what was first written and get a grip on ourselves here. (In my humble opinion).

Time to think about what has transpired here and what value it has offered us and what lessons we have learned; about ourselves and each other. (In my humble opinion).

The world is not a perfecrt place; (typo mistake; I am leaving it in, see?) neither are we. What better place have we found than this site to view our opinions and share our thoughts and seek validation, nuturing, friendship, support and valuable information? This site is a refuge from that impeerfect world.

Let's go back and regroup here.

Change is difficult. Sometimes things get out of balance and it is hard to find how to get back into balance again.

But I will say this; in the past, many were wary about saying a prayer or stating religious beliefs here. It was not done much. No one was sure if it was "allowed here" or not.

Then we started talking and saying prayers and some poeple have felt more comfort in that, while others have felt more discomfort in it. The amount of talk or religious support in Support Threads has increased in that area in the past few months. I am not saying we should or shouldn't. (SC has addressed this). I am trying to share how I have seen it.

What we thought or felt we could not do here to follow the guidelines, we have done. Now SC is asking for some further guidelines to be adhered to. The Libs Brews has been offered as it has in the past.

The way I see it, is to give an anlogy from the workplace. If you give a raise or allow something to happen at work, and then management takes that raise away, or curtails certain activities, people will balk. It is hard to take away what has been given or allowed. Often there are good and valid reasons for this. But nonetheless, you will see an uprise if it happens. And so it has here.

Sometimes it is a good thing to open Pandora's Box. Sometimes it is necessary.

Let's go back to the basics of where we were. All talk and thoughts and beliefs have not been squashed here. (Again, in my humble opinion). See you all in Libs.

Sew

May 5, 2005
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I consider myself semi-precious..but I do glitter!

just kidding. My attempt at humor.

May 5, 2005
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I just read SC's latest post.Your all need to check it out.Its not good.We are back to square one again.I'm definitely not sure that i'm gonna stay.

What i had thought was right,the religion but now she is saying something else thats not allowed here and that is the talking about god.Only prayer,faith,hope and spirituality is allowed talking about in this site.

I will check in later to see what your think.

May 5, 2005
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Brownie,

Yes, these sound like good and reasonable things to talk about and to keep in persective with.

Sew

May 5, 2005
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Brownie,

What SC has been writing about is for the Support Threads. The Support threads is for support and the Libs Brews threads can be open; it is more for debating and philosophical type of discussions.

I do agree with what she had said in her first posting and what she has offered today.

Does that help?

Sew

May 5, 2005
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Sew could you explain this to me more?I am completely LOST here.

May 5, 2005
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Sure, I will try.

You said;

"I just read SC's latest post.Your all need to check it out.Its not good.We are back to square one again.I'm definitely not sure that i'm gonna stay."

She (SC), explained more about what she had been saying on her first post. People have mis-read her and "put words in her mouth". I agree.

I think she has explained it all (today), a bit more clearly. She has said it in a different way, so perhpas everyone will understand. This is good to do this (explain in a different way).

People interpret what they hear differently. When teaching someone; if they do not understand what the teacher is saying, then the teacher will present the information a bit differently for the student to understand. That is good teaching; to be able to reach ALL the students to understand. (However, some never get it).

Then you said;

"What i had thought was right,the religion but now she is saying something else thats not allowed here and that is the talking about god.Only prayer,faith,hope and spirituality is allowed talking about in this site."

She is saying that it is okay to talk about prayer, faith and hope. In the Support threads. It is for support.

Talking about GOD, God, god, G-D, Budda, your Higher Power, etc. is for the Libs Brews threads; for discussion, or debate or to talk about your views and opinions.

Have you been to the Libs threads? Perhaps this is what is puzzling? Click on the top where you see; Support threads and Libs Brews threads. I call the Libs Brews 'upstairs' and this as 'downstairs'.

Please let me know if this helps?

Sew

May 5, 2005
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Hey sew thanks for taking the time to explain this.

I have been to the liberation thread before and i did not know it was considered the 3rd floor.Mamac had told me it was.

Now i'm just speaking for me and i was not trying to put words in the sc's mouth.I just thought she was mainly talking about religion.Religion can be a touchy subject.

But when i read more of her posts she mentioned that faith,hope and spirituality can be mentioned in the support thread which is this,i understand that but the mixed up part was when she put:Folks have expressed that these threads are not for discussion of sexual problems(secret desires,sexual anomalies,abusive spouses in the bedroom)either,but this is the place to do it.If i feel that it crosses a very gray safety line,i do ask that it goes to the liberation brew threads.Thats what she mentioned.

So i and i'm sure other people would want to get a sure better understanding of this.We don't want to make the mistake of saying something on here and get banned from here.Like she said to make sure we take a deep breath and reread it a couple of times to make sure we have it down pat.

May 5, 2005
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May 5, 2005
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Brownie,

I just want to clear this up before anyone gets wind of a 3rd floor that is not there!

The Libs is NOT considered the third floor.

OMW (and mamaC, perhaps had mentioned a third floor to SC. Meaning they wanted another level of posting.

There is NO Third floor! LOL There is only Support threads and Libs Brews threads. And of course, the Home Page with tons of information and links.

Glad I was helpful!

Sew

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