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tithes...who want s to talk about this?
July 17, 2006
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i don't like giving money. but i'm feeling gulity for not tithing, and i feel that people are watching my every move.

what are you thoughts about tithing and giving money to the church.

i just need to know somone is thinking about this other than myself.

July 17, 2006
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emphcfr:

For me and my family. We tithe.

When I was a single mom my mom would bring groceries every Friday so the kids and I could eat. Her contribution to our cause. Better little than none I spoze. Anyway, she used to really rag on me about tithing and how much money I'd have if I'd not tithe.

I can say that when we do tithe then our needs are always met. There is always that gallon of milk in the fridge. But, when we don't tithe, we cannot tell where the money goes, it just does. And when hardships fall the money always comes in from somewhere. So, we tithe.

My opinion and experiences.

July 17, 2006
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emph,

I second what mamacinnamon says. I've tried tithing and I've tried not tithing because I was too worried about money. Tithing works better. I've had more than I bargained for when I have consistently tithed.

July 17, 2006
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I second MamaCin & Seek Emph!

There was a period in my life when I did not know how to tithe, till one day I asked someone more experienced than me & I was told that every one of us is supposed to tithe 1/0% of their income, no matter how small.

Ever since I started to tithe, I have had much more than I expected and I even discovered the joy of giving and generosity.

The Bible says: " There is more joy in giving than receiving."

So, start tithing!

Blessings, Ras~

July 17, 2006
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I know that tithing meang giving TEN PERCENT of one's income; and that in the Middle Ages it was a social requirement. Ten percent is a LOT!

May I ask those of you who are so generous whether you feel obliged to give these large amounts of money to a manmade institution (with little or no personal say in how it is spent), or whether you sometimes give it to 3rd World charities for the poor & starving overseas? Does that "count", according to your particular sectarian religions? And if so, are these "strings attached" to the money donated (i.e. does it have to go to "Christian" or "Presbyterian" or "Catholic" or "Episcopalian" countries / communities, or to ANY families / children / people in dire need?

Just asking for info, in my ignorance. Thanks. I admire your selfless generosity hugely. I have lapsed somewhat, but am inspired to try more. Blessings - Gazelle.

July 17, 2006
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gazelle,

IMO, tithing is to be given to God as you understand him. For me, that means giving it to my church and letting its leaders spend it as they see fit. I trust that God is leading them, so I trust that they know better than me how to spend it.

"Tithing" given to a charity, etc. for me isn't tithing.

Again, I can only speak for myself.

Blessings to you too,
Seeker

July 18, 2006
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For my hubby and I we give mostly to the church, and we also help support a summer camp for inner city children.

There are times we help someone directly, like a family in dire need. We will get certificates from the grocery and then have the grocery call and let the folks know they have credit. Or if another family is in need somehow we go and pay for whatever (utilities, house foreclosure bond) and it is completely anonymous. They never know where the money came from. We do this because the Bible tells us..... Matthew 6:1-4; "Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. "So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

We don't do it this way for any reward. We do it this way as obedience for our Lord.

July 18, 2006
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Well, Seeker, your blind trust in rich people is scary but your beliefs very touching. You are SO sweet & lovely! But most people, tragically, are neither.

Where does well-judged trust end and naive gullibility begin? That's a genuine question. To err here would be to unwittingly fund all sorts of personal materialistic greed - or even exploitation & abuse of others. So many dangerous institutions & cults (& even political systems) rely on the voluntary contributions of innocents who yearn to belong, to follow, & to abnegate personal responsibility to self-styled leaders in good faith ...

Please believe that I am in no way "knocking" either you or your chosen church, Seeker. It's just thath having been innocently "taken for a ride" & deceived MYSELF in the past, I have become extremely cautious.

I now do heaps of independent research before I give money, 'cos I'd hate to fund activities or ideologies that SEEM wonderful on the surface, but have (inevitably) become corrupted by ubiquitous human greed.

I hope I am simply sensible & cautious rather than cynical. I hope so anyway. I truly hope & even pray that your "leaders" share your rare sincerity & innocence, dear kind Seeker.

Mamacinnamon, your strong, heartfelt, brilliantly-expressed posts are a huge inspiration to me on many levels. You are so brimful of Faith, Hope & Charity ... yet firmly grounded in reality & learning from experience. I really love your idealism shining like a beacon in this often-horrid world.

I really love you, and Seeker. You teach me SO much. Thank God! Brightest Blessings - Gazelle.

July 18, 2006
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Re-reading this, I'm horrified. It sounds like I am accusing Mormonism of all sorts of nasty things ... and I am NOT!!! Hand on heart, I have quite a high respect for what I know of them. Please, please understand that I was thinking of certain cultish branches of other so-called 'churches' & closed-system communities. I intend to explore Mormon ideas & history open-mindedly, I promise.

July 18, 2006
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gazelle,

I know you weren't accusing Mormonism of anything. I appreciate your desire to make that absolutely clear. I assure you I have no "blind trust" in the leaders of my church. None of them is paid a dime for any of their services, exccept for those at the very, very top, who devote their lives full-time to the church and need just enough to live on.

You see, I believe that Jesus Christ established Mormonism through modern-day prophets and apostles. He commanded tithing be paid to the bishops, and if a few happen to misappropriate it (and I have heard only very, very rare cases of this happening), that is the individuals' problem and not mine. They are liable to civil and criminal action. Of course I maintain an interest in how the money is spent, but I'm satisfied it's being used as it should be.

Hugs, Seeker

July 18, 2006
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Gazelle:

A lot of folks just give to the church. We used to do that, but God layed it on our hearts to branch out and give individually also. Before, tho, we also gave fully and faithfully to the church. It is, I believe, a step of faith to give to the church and trust them to do what is right w/ the money. I feel if you give to God then he will use the money correctly. You are right tho about so many corrupt churches. I spoze you have to go off how you feel inside. If you are comfortable and see no red flags then give; otherwise, head on down the road. Our church gives out a budget quarterly that shows where all the money they receive goes. Seeker, does your church also do this??

I also believe there are many other ways of giving your tithe other than money also. I think time can be a tithe for someone that is strapped w/ the bills and just doesn't have the money to give. I am not taking away from the step of faith of giving money tho. I know we have given our money when we thought we would be skipping milk on the kids' cereal, but the milk was always there. We were and have always been provided for.

Just a few extra thoughts.

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