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Tibet under the Dalai Lamas: Tales of Slavery, Torture and Serfdom
February 6, 2009
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"If you're genuinely interested in seeing the answer then tell me: Do you have any specific wording I should use for the question, ...?"

Just give him these words:

Someone select three coins of the same known denomination, say three dimes, from a huge pot of coins of all denominations.

Then put all three dimes in a small container. Blindfold someone and ask them to pull out just one of the three coins from the small container.

Through that whole process from beginning to end, would the coin, the dime, picked from the small container be considered statistically speaking, a random selection of a coin from the original huge pot of all denominations of coins?

If not why not?

Ask your professor those two questions using those words.

February 6, 2009
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One thing as I've said before: you're implying that the 3 coins are identical.

The Dalai Lama boys are not identical in all aspects. Their finger prints, faces, personalities, decision making attributes are all unique and separate as would be the case with any human being.

I suggest to make the question more accurate that you replace "three dimes" with: coins of denominations 5 cents, 10 cents and 15 cents.

This shows that the coins are different from each other which is consistent with the real life example.

If you're saying the coins are identical, that introduces another difficulty: if they are completely identical, why even make a draw? Why not choose the boy who's standing nearest to you?

Your point that they are all Bodhisatvas and therefore, identical for the purpose of the experiment is not true. For one, only one of those three boys is the actual reincarnation of the Dalai Lama. Just that means that the boys are not identical.

Also: would you rather we ask this to a maths professor, or should we ask on a math forum? The professor may or not may reply and I dont want to bother them like this. They're not out there for answering free questions, however - sometimes they do. If we ask on a math forum, we have the option of taking part in the debate with multiple maths nerds/experts.

But first we have to get the question right. For that you have to prove that the boys are identical and if they, why hold a draw in the first place? Why not choose the first from an alphabetically ordered list of the 3 names?

February 6, 2009
8:12 pm
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blah blah, grammar. Well you got the message.

February 7, 2009
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This is going to be a LONG process.

I'll come back to it later.

February 7, 2009
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Ok Tez so in summation: first we must get the question right and agreeable to both of us. The question should be clear, nuetral and be similiar to the real life situation.

In the light of that, the issue is whether those three coins are identical or not and you didnt respond to my challenge of proving the Bhoshisatvas are identical or not. Since they are human beings, naturally they're not identical.

Also, your question is confusing:

>> Through that whole process from beginning to end, would the coin, the dime, picked from the small container be considered statistically speaking, a random selection of a coin from the original huge pot of all denominations of coins?

To that question you will get the same answer from the experts as you did from me: "there are two parts of the process. One is non-random and the one concerning the Urn obviously is a random process." To that you said since the outcome is predictable and the Bodhisatvas are identical, its not a random process. To that I replied: they're not identical. If they were, it wouldnt make sense to make a draw anyway.

Now you have to prove the Bodhisatvas are identical and you havent done that. No human is identical obviously.

You can do two things:

1) You can either accept that we change the question to say 3 different coins and not 3 dimes, OR:

2) Prove that the bodhisatvas are identical.

Please stop personal attacks and for once engage in a mature discussion without resorting to replies like "were you bullshitting again?". You're not helping the debate when you do that.

February 9, 2009
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Tez,

On 2-2-09, you stated in part: "Buddists never go 'door knocking' like some other religions do."

Really?

You could have fooled me as I often come to this side to engage in topics such as politics etc.., and yet, I am always exposed to your daily thread which you started on 7-5-08: "The Dali Lama's Insights......"

Of course, it is my choice not to read it just as it is your choice to post it daily.

You see, I don't have to 'open that door' as it were, but that doesn't mean that I don't hear that 'knocking' all the same.

So, you may want to rethink that whole Buddists NEVER go door knocking statement just a tad.

Just my observations...........

tBt

February 9, 2009
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Strangely even though Tez believes in the concept of re-incarnation (Dalai Lama being reborn into 2 year old boys), and he loves the Lamas and ofcourse Buddha, who wasnt bad - he still says he's not a Buddhist. He's never told us why he does not classify himself as a Buddhist. Its probably so he can believe everything in Buddhism without what he thinks, is the stigma of having a religion.

February 9, 2009
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I certainly am not a mathematician.

Yet I think there are equations that determine probabilities.

Looking at the past postings of this thread ... I want to ask both of you and TBT too

What is this argument about and why does someone have to lose or concede for the other to feel validated?

Probabilities helps to understand randomness.

And moreover ... do the two of you enjoy this debate??

littlespirit??

February 9, 2009
7:25 pm
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I enjoy this debate. The issue is not what the certain value of that probability is. Its the fact that the process is random.

Calculating probabilities, yes I know about that. I took many courses on stats and prob. We know that there's only one 2 year old little boy who has been reincarnated as the Dalai Lama. If there are 5 boys whose names are put into the Golden urn, then the probability of that Dalai Lama being elected is simple: 1/5.

February 10, 2009
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I have to say that I do kind of enjoy it. Somewhat interesting. It seems clear to me that the selection process is more random than anything else. 3 identical boys, not likely so, what's to even think about? Yea, I'm convinced, it's random.

February 11, 2009
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Yea its just random. We're using a fishbowl (the Urn), putting names of the boys in it and pulling out one to select the next Dalai Lama. 'Lotter-ocracy', as opposed to democracy.

February 12, 2009
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Tez, any thoughts on the posts of 7-Feb-09 and beyond?

February 13, 2009
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Misogyny under the Dalai Lamas

Born Female–Proof of Past Sins?

The Dalai Lama writes, “In Tibet there was no special discrimination against women.” The Dalai Lama's authorized biographer Robert Hicks argues that Tibetan women were content with their status and “influenced their husbands.” But in Tibet, being born a woman was considered a punishment for “impious” (sinful) behavior in a previous life. The word for “woman” in old Tibet, kiemen , meant “inferior birth.” Women were told to pray, “May I reject a feminine body and be reborn a male one.”

Lamaist superstition associated women with evil and sin. It was said “among ten women you'll find nine devils.” Anything women touched was considered tainted–so all kinds of taboos were placed on women. Women were forbidden to handle medicine. Han Suyin reports, “No woman was allowed to touch a lama's belongings, nor could she raise a wall, or ‘the wall will fall.'… A widow was a despicable being, already a devil. No woman was allowed to use iron instruments or touch iron. Religion forbade her to lift her eyes above the knee of a man, as serfs and slaves were not allowed to life the eyes upon the face of the nobles or great lamas.”

Monks of the major sects of Tibetan Buddhism rejected sexual intimacy (or even contact) with women, as part of their plan to be holy. Before the revolution, no woman had ever set foot in most monasteries or the palaces of the Dalai Lama.

There are reports of women being burned for giving birth to twins and for practicing the pre-Buddhist traditional religion (called Bon). Twins were considered proof that a woman had mated with an evil spirit. The rituals and folk medicine of Bon were considered “witchcraft.” Like in other feudal societies, upperclass women were sold into arranged marriages. Custom allowed a husband to cut off the tip of his wife's nose if he discovered she had slept with someone else. The patriarchal practices included polygyny, where a wealthy man could have many wives; and polyandry, where in land-poor noble families one woman was forced to be wife to several brothers.

Among the lower classes, family life was similar to slavery in the U.S. South. (See The Life of a Tibetan Slave .) Serfs could not marry or leave the estate without the master's permission. Masters transferred serfs from one estate to another at will, breaking up serf families forever. Rape of women serfs was common–under the ulag system, a lord could demand “temporary wives.”

(Full article: The true face of the Dalai Lama )

February 16, 2009
6:02 pm
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Tez, are you there? Given up on this debate?

February 16, 2009
7:05 pm
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Tez probably has more positive ways to spend his time than in debate.

From my perspective life is better spent in expanding the positive than in arguing or refuting what someone else says, believes, or states. That is their opinion, and I will accept what I disagree with without being disagreeable. They are not in control of me unless I allow it.

February 18, 2009
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Littlespirit

Very well said - I agree wholeheartedly with everything that you wrote in your last post.

February 18, 2009
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Tez, others here have agreed that the process of choosing the Dalai Lama is atleast partially random. Secondly as I've said, you had no reply to my post so I take you have given up.

What a joke. Shake the bowl and pull out a name and what do you got? The next Dalai Lama.

Check it out: New method for choosing the Dalai Lama

Here's a summary:

- Dalai Lamas are literally randomly chosen through an undemocratic process
- Serious Human Rights abuses were documented by multiple historians throughout the history of Tibet
- Dalai Lamas have unhealthy views on sex and anger (explained here, also pointed out by others before)

February 23, 2009
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Tez

>> And all this use of Chinese propaganda to further G_g's own personal agenda against me.

Thats not correct and you know that. I've debated with Bevdee too and anyone else whosays pre-1959 Tibet was a peaceful place.

>> saw a documentary just two nights ago

What makes you distrust the same documentaries, books and websites that show a different side of Tibet than what you are used to believing in?

And Michael Parenti and all the other authors have nothing to do with China or Chinese propaganda. Yes some Chinese propaganda might exist but multiple people here on this forum have agreed with me that Tibet was a bad place under the Dalai Lamas.

To all this mountain of evidence that I've gathered against the Dalai Lamas's cruel rule in Tibet, what do you have to say?

What do you have to say about the eye-gouging that used to go on? How about when women were told to pray “May I reject a feminine body and be reborn a male one”?

Nothing at all. I will continue educating people about the Dalai Lama and Tibet.

February 23, 2009
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February 23, 2009
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February 23, 2009
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Bevdee, I love you're so nasty that you'll post any video link for me. damn! lol

February 23, 2009
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February 23, 2009
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Boring ...

It feels to me like negative attention.

Rather than nasty ...

Positive feels to me as the answer to frustration and isolation and not feeling or being heard.

February 23, 2009
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Its monday and I skipped my workout yesterday so I gotta do it today. Sucks to workout on monday!

February 24, 2009
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Naturally if I was to ask people something like if I should go or leave, some of them would tell me to stay and the others would stay silent. I shouldnt ask a question like that. Thats just me looking for validation, no matter how you put it.

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