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Tibet under the Dalai Lamas: Tales of Slavery, Torture and Serfdom
January 23, 2009
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Wow, MsG, thanks so much. I will add those links to my Dalai Lama blog site.

I glanced over one of the linked papers on Serfdom in PDF. Wow. Horrifying and just sad.

January 23, 2009
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Here you go. This should satisfy any who doubt what Parenti is talking about. Too bad for you: the whole book is online and open for everyone to read. This is just one small paragraph:

When serfs stood up in Tibet - Anna Louise Strong (1959)

Chapter VII. VILLAGE FAST OF LHASA

The husband then took up his special story. "Once Khemey's daughter came out to stay in the manor. She had a fine saddle and she required good care, so I took her saddle up to the second floor. (The upper class live on the second floor, the first floor being for storage rooms and servants' rooms.) Two or three months later the steward called me and said that the saddle had disappeared and also some woolen pieces and he accused that I was a thief. For a whole day he flogged me with a heavy whip, demanding that I confess. Many times such accusations were falsely made against serfs and they were flogged to confessing. But I would not confess, for I thought the steward stole the saddle himself.

There's too much to copy paste so thats just a portion. I've had enough of your bad-faith so I'll ignore any further attempts to question Parenti and anyone else, unless I think its a valid query. Its amazing how you guys make a mockery out of the torture that these Tibetan people went through under the rule of the Dalai Lamas. You would think otherwise if you had been in place of the poor man above.

And look at the links from MsG too for example this one. Looks like he has written research papers on the whole subject. For example:

Serfdom and Mobility: An Examination of the Institution of "Human Lease" in Traditional Tibetan Society (.pdf)
[The Journal of Asian Studies. 30(3): 521-534. 1971.]

This silences anyone questioning any sources that tell us about what Tibet used to be like.

January 23, 2009
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How is Tibet different now?

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January 23, 2009
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Its different now because this, as far as I know:

In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away.23

is not being done by the rulers of the land today.

January 23, 2009
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The power of photographic images don't lie.

Here is a site that has MANY images of the Dalai Lama and people of Tibet before 1950.

There are 2 pictures of the Dalai Lama dressed as a
Chinese Lord , not in the traditional Buddhist robes, with Chairman Mao.

Also 3 images of Tibetan serfs who had been dismembered, tortured and hobbled with restraints.

Power corrupts and it certainly did him.

http://picasaweb.google.com/ge.....etOfChina#

http://www.case.edu/affil/tibe.....social.htm

I found another site put up by a young chinese man, that labels the Dalai Lama."Daliar".

http://neojack.spaces.live.com.....1205.entry

There are a few photos there torture tools, skulls, and mamed serfs.
Very interesting.

January 23, 2009
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There was a lot of sh*t going on 60 years ago, 50 years ago, 40, 30.

http://www.motherjones.com/new.....9/ito.html

Concentration Camp or Summer Camp?

News: A new generation of revisionists tries to put a happy face on the Japanese American relocation camps

By Robert Ito

September 15, 1998

" Since the end of World War II, Holocaust revisionists throughout Europe have vehemently denied that the extermination of 6 million Jews ever took place. The gas chambers? Zionist propaganda. Zyklon B? A heavy duty delousing agent.

But the rewriting of camp history isn't just a European obsession. Over the last two decades, an equally determined band of homegrown revisionists has fought to paint a rosy picture of America's own concentration camps: the ten "relocation centers" where over 120,000 Japanese Americans were imprisoned during World War II.

The debate over the historical interpretation of the American camps was reignited recently by an exhibit at Ellis Island entitled "America's Concentration Camps: Remembering the Japanese American Experience," an exhibit that freely uses the term "concentration camp" to describe the isolated encampments at such places as Manzanar and Tule Lake, Calif.; Poston, Ariz.; Topaz, Utah. Critics claim that the use of the term dishonors the victims of the Nazi death camps; supporters argue that the term is historically accurate, and point to the numerous academics, military officials, and even U.S. presidents who have preferred the term over the more euphemistic "internment camp" label.

But while the Japanese American and American Jewish communities bickered over semantics, few sought to downplay the historical and cultural importance of the Japanese American relocation camps: Thousands of American citizens snatched from their homes solely because of their ethnicity, without any evidence of wrongdoing. Whole families placed in barbed-wire encampments under armed guard for years, many losing all of their property in the process. Racial hatred and wartime hysteria justified under the guise of "military necessity" in what former Sen. Sam Ervin described as "the single most blatant violation of the Constitution in our history." "

Civil Rights movement of the 1960s in the US southern States.

Here's some links -

http://www.afscme.org/publicat...../12440.cfm

http://users.bestweb.net/~rg/L.....chings.htm

Some schools and movie theatres in small towns in Missouri were still segregated until the late 1970s. blacks were kept down economically. The US needed cheap labor, even after cotton wasn't king, and keeping a race of people impoverished was also a way to insure they would not have the gumption to stand up and demand better. Right here in the good old US of A. This was Regan's, Daddy Bush's and Dubya's world.

Today, the US turns its head to the amount of illegal aliens flooding into the country from Mexico, primarily because it is cheap labor. 8 years ago, Bush and Vicente Fox took office within months of each other, discussed Fox's desire for an open border policy, and "the border" seems to have blurred. They are our indentured servants without the protection of a contract. Our serfs. Pay a stipend, give them some secondhand clothes and it's all good.

I'm gonna go eat a Whopper.

January 23, 2009
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Yes, there was a lot of sh*t going on 50 years ago but do you see anyone praising Hitler or anyone who owned slaves or took part in racial segration? Do you see anyone parading these criminals as peace makers and wise people?

January 23, 2009
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Thanks Msguided

You and I are the only one on this whole site who know.

I've seen those amputation and mutilation pictures before. The reason why I hadnt shown them before is that somoene could say that "we have no proof that it was done under the Dalai Lama. Maybe he got into an accident".

Given the resistance most people here have to the truth when I give them sourced information ( calling the author a drug loving hippy and what not), you can imagine the resistance they would have to pictures for which there wasnt explicit proof.

The pictures are there yes, and they go perfectly well with the sourced information.

I wonder what makes these 'people' (to call them people is to give them undue respect actually) deny the truth and what drives their motivations to attack anyone who exposes what the Dalai Lamas and Tibet were all about.

How blind can people get? Its just amazing.

January 23, 2009
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Museum's Burger King Whopper is wax
BY Rich Schapiro
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Friday, December 7th 2007, 4:00 AM

The wax Whopper was unveiled at Times Square's Madame Tussauds museum.

There's only one way to have this Whopper - no cheese and heavy on the wax.
Burger King's signature sandwich was put on the menu at Times Square's Madame Tussauds museum Thursday, making it the first food item ever immortalized in wax. After taking a mock bite out of the lifelike burger, Spanish tourist Arturo Diaz inspected the hamburger patty with all the trimmings - and was impressed by what he saw.
"It looks quite real," he said. "It's amazing."
The Whopper, complete with lettuce, tomato, onions, pickles, mayo and ketchup, is presented on a silver platter by a wax version of the Burger King himself. Power 105 host Ed Lover unveiled the flame-broiled icon yesterday, calling the Burger "King" his "hero and idol."
"Even suckas from McDonald's call him sire," he said.
The Whopper found a home in the museum after Burger King reps contacted Madame Tussauds earlier this year, looking for a special way to celebrate the sandwich's 50-year anniversary.

January 23, 2009
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lame

January 24, 2009
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Oh the Whopper is not lame. The whopper is a world wide influence. Here's the proof. Check out this video.http://www.whopperfreakout.com.....index.html

January 24, 2009
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There seems no denying, guest, that they (the Dalais & Tibet) were a lot about corruption for sure. I'd say that there wouldn't seem to be any sense in even trying to argue that. It's some pretty awful stuff.

January 24, 2009
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Guest.I doubt we are the only ones who know. People just don't want to get involved in conflict.

I don't have anything to lose if i am agnostic and don't follow Buddhism as a chosen spiritual path. I stay true to myself and solid evidence is my focus.

It's also interesting how certain criminals are chased their whole lives and others are simply passed over.
Most violent crimes are kept on the law books, and the goal is always to prosicute no matter how much time has passed.

The "passed over" ones usually exist within the realm of religion. Religious leaders are immune to being accountable?

Our judicial system chases down Nazi War criminals ( in all levels) to this day.

In general I don't trust or support ANY religious leaders. They don't have the key to enlightenment if they act like wealthy lords, lie and carry out the myths of what God really is or preach about how humans should conduct themselves with repression and violence as tools.

The Buddhist theory about sexuality, vegetarianism and the male slanted view bothers me, so i just take the usefull stuff. It's just another ethical stand.

It's a complicated thing to be privilaged and wealthy in the way these people conduct themselves with those who have less.

It's usually the most brutal in lands that have less fertile soil and harsh desert like conditions. Resources are limited so a lot of corruption can arise to control the resources.

I took Anthropology and Egyptology in University ( early 80's)as an elective for 2 years, so that is always what influences my views. I had a Khoisan ( African Bushman) as a prof, who really opened my eyes to the sources of religion. You can't get any more real with Antrho'and Archeology.

Be Well!

January 24, 2009
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The Burger King closed it's doors in my neck of the woods.

It's been an empty building for over a year. There are no more Whoppers within my demographic..you have to travel further now!

Not everyone is "influenced".

;0)@bevdee

January 24, 2009
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(((MsGuided)))

Oh- I try to stay away from the Whopper, because of the grease, cholesterol and carbs, but it is comforting to know it's there if I want one.

Just look at what can happen - this would be me.

January 25, 2009
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CraigCo and MsG, its only us here. I got bombarded with a lot of vicious personal-attack styled opposition (Bevdee, for example) for telling the the truth about Tibet. Most people here dare not agree for whatever reasons that Tibet was a bad place under the Dalai Lamas. Its the presense of their friend who loves the Dalai Lama which effected them. People forget all rationality in situations like these. Its like the famous Stanford experiment where students knowingling tortured other people under certain circumstances. They would ignore what I'm saying about Tibet and instead focus all energy on something else.

But.. its good that atleast you guys know whats going on. I'm gonna keep submitting the little tidbits about what Tibet went through while Bevdee will keep up her "whopper" battle. She thinks its funny.

MsG, nice courses in college are a great idea to try to instill some commonsense into people.

January 26, 2009
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I dunno Guest- about me personally attacking you. I never called you names or anything. I just pointed out conversational terrorist tactics. Do you consider being called a terrorist a personal attack? I take offense to some of the names you have called me and others in these threads you have either bombarded or created as spin-offs, when someone tries to offer a different opinion. But- that's on me, isn't it? It's within me to deal with.

As it stands, I will continue to post in any thread I want to. I can see that you question the pertinence of my posts, as I have questioned yours in other threads. If you look deeply, ponder a little longer, you might understand.

Again - you make assumptions and present them as fact. "Bevdee will keep up her "whopper" battle. She thinks its funny". Do you know for sure that I am laughing? How do you really know?

January 26, 2009
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http://www.chainleader.com/art.....26148.html

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-- Chain Leader, 1/5/2009 8:23:00 AM
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I wouldnt mind if you stuck to the topic - your last post said that a lot of sh_t happened in Tibet. My question to you is: Do you agree that a lot of sh_t happened in Tibet too?

What do you think happened in the history of Tibet? How do you explain the accounts of all these historians? The denials by Tibetan rulers and pro-Tibet activitists are understandable. Ofcourse they would deny it.

What do you think really happened in Tibet?

January 26, 2009
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Guest_guest,

What do the accounts of historians have to do with Tibet today? TreeHugs asked you about Tibet today, remember? You only answered that you didn't think they used the torture devices listed in books from 1950.

I am still wondering at why you want to educate everyone on the past Dalai Lamas, only after Tez started his post about the insights of the current Dalai Lama. You don't try to interject your opinions about God and Jesus any more in the prayer threads, or stop the flow of conversation with your refutals of the wisdom contained in the bible.

As for staying on the topic? Give me a break dude. If it were anyone else, I might pause, but not from you. That's just more of do what I say and not what I do.

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>> What do the accounts of historians have to do with Tibet today?

Does the history of tibet not matter? Does the history of the United States not matter?

January 26, 2009
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The United States has a history of slavery. A country that profited from the misery of humans in captivity. How can you tolerate that Guest_guest? Living in a country with such a history of shame?

Remember when I told you about Thomas Jefferson?

January 26, 2009
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What a great example of someone acting on emotions and personal vendetta and hostility instead of what is rational and pertinent to the topic - the history of Tibet.

Thats fine. People arent blind. CraigCo has already agreed that the Dalai Lamas were corrupt or there was a lot of corruption going on in Tibet. MsGuided agrees about what happened in Tibet. You dont for whatever reasons. I'm not going to convince you. You keep up the Whopper battle.

January 26, 2009
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Personally I wouldn't want to live in Tibet yesterday or today. It's a very harsh, mostly dry environment, with systems of rule that I couldn't accept.

I'ld probably get my hands or nose cut off too.

It is nice to agree with eachother, but all the tactics used to rally up support aren't always so agreeable.

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Well, I knew I'd get hit for that. But at least you do agree that questionable stuff used to go on in Tibet.

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