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12:05 am
September 24, 2010
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"Of course, you're entitled to your own opinion."
12:07 am
September 24, 2010
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"Let's keep the federal government out of this. The states should decide it."
12:09 am
September 24, 2010
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
🙂
12:10 am
September 24, 2010
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"Why of course you, being a Christian, can just as freely exercize your First Amendment rights to express your religious beliefs as can an atheist or humanist."
12:13 am
September 24, 2010
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As a far left-of center liberal, one thing that disturbs me about our country is how sometimes the federal government imposes it's will on what to me seem to be state's rights.
For example the repeated efforts to sell an amendment to the constitution that "defines" marriage.
Or the Federal governments insistence on busting growers of medical marijuana even when the State in question allows it to be grown.
12:14 am
September 24, 2010
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WD,
{Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
🙂 }
Excellent! Now say this when I advocate the right of schoolchildren to freely choose to say prayers in schools.
12:20 am
September 24, 2010
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Hi Seeker,
Far as I know, schoolchildren already have that right to pray in school.
How do you feel about Muslim schoolchildren who want to face Mecca and pray 5 times a day?
12:32 am
September 24, 2010
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WD,
{Far as I know, schoolchildren already have that right to pray in school.
In theory they might, but school administrators tend to prevent them from exercizing this right. I heard recently of a valedictorian who was censured for mentioning "Jesus" in her graduation speech. They actually shut off her microphone during her speech.
It's not prayer, true, but it's the same principle.
{How do you feel about Muslim schoolchildren who want to face Mecca and pray 5 times a day? }
Facing Mecca might be a physical disruption in the classroom, and five times a day might be too excessive for the school to reasonably accommodate. But if they want to pray once a day without facing Mecca, as students of any other religion might, I'd have no objection.
Seeker
2:03 am
September 27, 2010
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I don't think it can work seeker.
It's been challenged, and now it will never be the same.
What do we say to the satanist who wants to wear his/her pentagram and pray to satan? I assure you, this student would make a spectacle of him or herself.
What do we say to the atheist who finds prayer offensive?
What do we say to the wiccan who needs a prayer circle?
this could, and would, go on, and on, and on I'm pretty sure.
It's a control and power issue, not a prayer issue.
free
9:31 am
September 24, 2010
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free,
We could expect that prayers in school be silent and said quietly at one's desk. This could be done to be considerate to everybody else and could be an expectation for every religion, Christian or not.
As for atheists getting offended, they could thank their lucky stars that they are not so caught up in such a foolish thing, as they might view it.
Personally I think we pander too much to people who get offended at things. As long as we take reasonable steps to minimize the impact to them, they ought to learn to be tolerant and diversity minded, just like the rest of us are supposed to be.
Seeker
9:32 am
September 24, 2010
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"Parents generally know better than government what their children need."
9:54 am
September 30, 2010
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Seeker, maybe you should get out more.
11:39 am
September 29, 2010
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"We could expect that prayers in school be silent and said quietly at one's desk. This could be done to be considerate to everybody else and could be an expectation for every religion, Christian or not."
Exactly. Why does it have to be done over a loud speaker? Why does it have to be announced that this is prayer time? ANY one at school can say silent prayers at any time they please. You don't have to make the rest of the world stop just to make time for you to say a silent prayer. It's PUBLIC prayer and prostelizing that has been removed. There is a time and place for everything and a public school is neither the time nor the place for religious practices.
3:11 pm
September 30, 2010
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Loralei-
"There is a time and place for everything and a public school is neither the time nor the place for religious practices. "
True!! It is actually unconstitutional.
10:03 pm
September 24, 2010
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bevdee,
{Seeker, maybe you should get out more.}
What do you mean? Explain yourself, please.
10:20 pm
September 27, 2010
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i know that lib brew is much more liberal, excuse the expression, in the kind of topics that can be discussed, but i find the very title of this thread to antagonistic and is worded in a way to encourage a negative discourse instead of a postive, worthwhile exchange of idea
10:25 pm
September 24, 2010
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Hi cpt1212,
Well there is that. I think the thread title might come from an internet joke....
10:39 pm
September 27, 2010
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oops! carry on
10:40 pm
September 30, 2010
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Seeker -
Maybe you should get out more, experience new experiences, and consider different viewpoints.
No need to reply, I saw where you say you are bowing out of the political discussions.
Peace Namaste Shalom - Bevdee
5:45 pm
September 24, 2010
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bevdee,
Maybe you're right on the first two points, but I've considered plenty of viewpoints in my life. I have in mind the ideal society in my book and I go with whoever seems closer to this ideal.
The funny thing is, is that at heart, I actually believe that everybody should contribute economically according to their ability and take according to their need, so in that respect, you might think I'm a socialist. But I even more strongly reject the idea of this being forced upon anybody by government or anybody else. So in that respect I'll never be a socialist.
Seeker
4:41 am
September 24, 2010
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Ooh seeker.
What we can't force it on them but it has to be natural?
That sort of makes you like...a Pagan.
Maybe even a Goddess worshipper!
::)))
I am so funny.
11:11 am
September 24, 2010
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Yes you are WD, you're so funny!
Fondly,
Your friendly neighborhood Pagan Goddess Worshipper.
9:19 pm
September 24, 2010
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I particularly deplore the federal governments trodding on states rights in the name of "national security" as in the "Real ID" act which says that every citizen must have a soviet-style national ID card.
Hmm, an electronic card that tracks you wherever you go. Who's idea was that? Could it be....Satan?
Talk about big government.
The State of MAine doesn't like it ether.
Maine rejects Real ID Act
1:39 am
September 27, 2010
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Everyone will reject it.
Terrorists have found our weak spot- we think freedom means convenience (in part.)
I say skip all the psycho stuff.
Ever heard of an Israeli plane getting hijacked? Probably not. Kuz it takes hours to get on an Israeli plane. Everything gets searched. We don't need our baggage on our plane- send it on a different plane, or better yet, fed-ex it. It would be great for fed-ex business. Spend the money to lock the cockpit. In other words, a door should not exist between the cockpit and the rest of the plane. No door. nada. Stick a bomb-smelling dog on the plane. You get the point. There. 9-11 done. Not gonna happen again.
Can they somehow get a bomb into the country? Well, yeah. So could a teenager. You get the instructions to build one online. bummer. That one's not solvable me thinks.
Live in fear?
Nope.
Give up our freedoms?
Absolutely not. Kuz then, they've wone their war. After all,their "war" is not to "defeat" America the way we think of "defeat". Get real. That can't happen. We;re not gonna be conquered and taken over by an extremist Islamic government.
But, we can have our freedoms taken away.
What a horrible loss this would be for our country. It would be the loss of all that our forefathers fought for.
We must remain free despite their terrorism. Not much different from domestic violence, just a much grander scale.
I really think this is how we win this "war on terror."
As for all the illegal aliens- our country is founded on the principle of "give us your weak, your hungry, your poor." Yes, they tax our benefit system- welfare, and medical, so take those benefits away if they can't be funded. But don't stop them from seeking a better life for themselves and their children, or from fleeing an oppressive government. If they want to work, let them come, work, and live amongst all of us descendents of "aliens." They are one of us.
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