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The Warmest Winter Ever
March 16, 2007
7:26 pm
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MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 8:14 a.m. PT March 16, 2007

WASHINGTON - This winter was the warmest on record worldwide, the U.S. government said Thursday in the latest worrisome report focusing on changing climate.

The report comes just over a month after the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change said global warming is very likely caused by human actions and is so severe it will continue for centuries.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17632043/

March 16, 2007
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Talk about warm! I didnt even have to turn on the iron this morning to iron my shirt. This global warming is getting seroius.

March 16, 2007
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LOL....guest!

March 18, 2007
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Has anyone else in the world noticed the terrible and unprecedented drought that most of Australia is presently experiencing? Many of our dams are dry. Level 5 restrictions apply in many capital cities in OZ. Washing cars is totally prohibited. Gardens may be watered only with buckets, not hoses between 4 and 8 a.m. in the morning and only on rostered days.

Businesses that rely on water are going out of business. The politicians in OZ are scrambling to allocate blame on their opposing parties for not foreseeing this disaster.

Ahhhhh!!! The penny has finally dropped. Now the world is starting to sit up and take notice, not before time. Climate change is starting to bite the little man deeply now and he doesn't seem to like it when he is threatened. Yet I am still driving my car and riding my gas guzzling, air polluting motor cycle. What about the rest of you guys?? What sacrifices have we individually and collectively made to save the planet? Have we stopped buying plastic goods? Or are we living just as we always have, in the blind faith that 'science' will somehow win through for us humans at least in the end?

It's easy to pay lip service, but hard to bite the bullet!

March 18, 2007
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People dont realize that the gas they're guzzling took millions of years to form in the earth's crust (crude oil). Its a very valuable resource and it doesn't regenerate. My own car is bad in milleage, well atleast its not an SUV but even so. Yea, sad. It would be nice when we run out of coal and gas, then no more global warming atleast.

whats this water shortage about? why did it happen? And i feel guilty if i go to a carwash and there's no shortage here.

oh well, back to work.

March 19, 2007
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Wow Tez...'blind faith' and 'science' in the same sentence...i'm impressed. 🙂

March 19, 2007
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On my way.

Blind faith is not the sole preserve of religiosity. Scientism, as opposed to science, is based upon at least one article of blind faith.

For a further expansion of what Scientism is about, see the thread that never was, called
"Science versus scientism - a valid demarcation?"

March 19, 2007
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On 18-Mar-07 you asked:

"whats this water shortage about? why did it happen? And i feel guilty if i go to a carwash and there's no shortage here."

Climate change is the simplistic answer.

Tornadoes, hurricanes and floods are increasing in some areas, whilst rainfall is decreasing in others. Hotter summers and warmer winters occur in some places whilst temperatures plummet in others.

There is only one 'giaia', one earth system in which all others interact. We happen to be the virus that has 'infected' the system and it's immune system is reacting in its own defense.

Guess which will win!

March 19, 2007
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Tez you asked "What sacrifices have we individually and collectively made to save the planet? Have we stopped buying plastic goods?"

Hmm- You have tweaked my conscience. Let's see- For the last 17 years - I don't buy soda in plastic bottles. I buy cans. I separate my aluminum cans from the tin cans and give them to the neighbor kids for recycling. They keep the money.

It's difficult not to buy plastic- not much is sold in glass anymore. I stopped using sandwich bags and carry my lunches in Tupperware or Rubbermaid (plastic, but re-usable) I buy butter instead of margarine, because it is wrapped in paper, not encased in plastic. I have several canvas bags that I carry to the grocery store, so I don't have to use the store's nasty thin plastic bags.

I buy bottled water, but refill the plastic jug each time. The water in Texas tastes like turpentine. I don't use paper towels or paper plates anymore, and I clean with vinegar and baking soda or wash with Borax instead of bleach.

In trying to offset the exorbitant cost of electricity this year, I have started air or line drying what clothes I can. I wore extra socks and a sweater for my short winter- and kept the heat off most of the winter.

I rarely wash my car- but that is just pure-dee laziness. I let the rain do that.

I can't say I cut back on gas consumption - my job requires me to drive anywhere from 100 to 300 miles a day.

I'm very sorry to hear about your country's water shortage.

March 20, 2007
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Bevdee.

It sounds to me like you are much more conservation minded than many others. The problem is that all the creature comforts that we take so much for granted today require huge amounts of energy to produce.

Take for example your porcelain toilet bowl, your porcelain bathroom sink, your stainless steel kitchen sink, your utensils on, and on ... Many, if not all of our products, require energy to manufacture. If that energy is coming from coal fired electric power stations then there is pollution generated. Unless a person is a manufacturer, he or she will not be conscious of this. Even farmers consume lots of energy to produce the food today - diesel fuel, petrol, electric power, manufactured products such as tractors, harvesters, milking machines, you name it.

If we go electric and electric power comes from the heat generated by nuclear energy conversion then pollution takes the more deadly form of disposing of dangerous radio active materials.

Unless we are prepared to live in grass huts, walk everywhere, or in other words live the life of a primitive tribesman, then we are contributing to the problem not the solution.

The only way out that I can see is to tap into the sun's almost unlimited energy source either directly or indirectly in the most energy efficient way possible and to limit our rate of reproduction of our species to that of negative population growth.

The Chinese as you know are doing this by bringing tremendous social and legislative pressures onto their population to limit their reproduction to 1 child per family. But how the Christians howl when their numbers are so limited! This is just one more reason why I think the thinking and the doctrines of Christianity and other deistic religions are dangerous in the long term for our survival as a species, if not as individuals.

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