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The Vagina Monolouges
April 21, 2006
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"Lolli...

Did you really not like "The Vagina Monolouges"?

Wow, I thought it was brilliant, amazing, and visionary.

I laughed, cryed, screamed in pain and frustration, shouted in joy and pride.

The last segment...I think it is called, "I was there in the Room" or "I was there that day"...something like that...The one about watching a birth... About women being the givers of life... OMG, LOlli, I swear when I heard that I felt overwhelmed with joy, with pride in my femininity, with power and stregnth. It was the first time in my ENTIRE life that I felt like having a "Vagina" (being a girl/woman) was GOOD thing!!! For so long it had been a burden to me, something for someone to use me for and hurt me with. I had distanced myself so greatly from my own sex, my femaleness, my feminine body, I was lost.... And then I heard that monolouge and I FELT GOOD! PROUD! STRONG! BEAUTIFULL! SPECIAL!!!

OMG, I can not describe....

I LOVED the Vagina Monolouges... It was beautifully done, inspiring, and I recomend it to everyone, male and female.

My girlfriend...also a rape survivor, just had to do a reading in her speach class... She decided to do the monolouge, "My Vagina is my Villiage." She said that some people in the class cried. She came home beaming...empowered, strong, no longer quite so full of shame... I was so PROUD of her!!

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Lolli, I posted this to you on the other thread, but it is an awfully long thread and I wanted you to ge this so that is why I am reposting in this thread.

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Anybody else seen "The Vagina Monolouges", or read the book? To see her do it in person is much better than just reading the book, but the book is great too. WOW, is all I can say.

Anybody want to comment???

((((hugs))))

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April 22, 2006
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free2,

I saw the video on the shelf of a video store some years back. At the time, I read the jacket and was repulsed by what I read. I thought it was somebody's sick attempt to use sex to make money.

But you mention what a positive effect it had on you, so I might very well check it out for myself.

I am only starting to glean, from this site, the feelings of guilt that some women feel subjected to by virtue of their womanhood. I want to explore this more.

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April 22, 2006
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I adore the vagina monologues....you are so right

April 22, 2006
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Free,

I am glad that you enjoyed the Vagina Monolouges. I believe the feelings that you have described was the intent of whole thing to begin with. In your case, it certainly served it's purpose and that is a good thing.

I'm not saying that it was bad.....it was just not my cup of tea.

You have to understand....I am a person, not just myself but everyone in my family...male and female alike.... that doesn't talk about that kind of stuff. I was brought up that way. To this day I have never heard anyone in my family fart....or even say the word fart. I have never heard my father belch.....ever. You just didn't do that in my family. And ya know what....I'm okay with that. One time the people I worked with laughed at me because a WOMAN that I worked with said...."I have to take a shit". I WAS MORTIFIED. I literally gasped when she said it and they all looked at me like I was nuts! Do I need to hear what she was going to do in the bathroom???? I don't think so.

Back to the Vagina Monolouges. It was fine for the most part but I have to tell you that I never saw the last scene you speak of. I only got as far as the woman saying that we need to "embrace the brown stuff"....and that was it for me....I had heard enough....too bad, so sad, bye bye. I know what happens down there and I'm okay with it....just don't feel the need to talk about it. Kinda freaks me out even typing it!

Funny, this is the first time that I have ever even "said" it. When people asked why I didn't like the show....I have said...."all of sudden they started talking about....forget it, I can't even say it".

Anywho....if it worked for you and you got something out of it...I think thats great and I'm sure you're not alone. I'm just one of those people that doesn't fart in front of people, or even say fart for that matter, I don't burp out loud, I don't discuss what I need to do in the bathroom.....and I don't want to hear about the bodily functions of the cookie. (yes, that's what I call it)

Call me a prude if you must, I"m okay with that. 🙂

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April 22, 2006
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Lolli: You are so funny.

April 22, 2006
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Thanks SD....

BTW, I left you a side note on Shaney's thread (support side) about what you call "male golddiggers"

GIGOLO

I"m just a gigolo and everywhere I go...people know part I'm playin'.....

April 22, 2006
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Warning: Sexually Explicit Story, please read at your own risk!!

Twinks...

I am so sorry that that happened to you with your ex. It pisses me off to no end the way that women are taught to be ashamed of thier bodies. We are taught to hate ourselves, to be insecure. Our naturalness is regarded as bad, wrong, a thing of disgust... the way we smell, taste, our natural bodily excretions. We are refered to as "fish", "tuna"...all sorts of awefull things that eat away at our sense of self. It is utter BULLSHIT!!

My girlfriend had a similar experience.

One night we were making love and she had an orgasm. When she realised the type of orgasm she had had, that there was an excess of fluid, she grew hysterical, crying and apologizing.

I was like" Whoooaahh, Whooaahh, it is ok, it is normal." I figured she had never done that before. I was happy for her. I said, "It is Ok it means you were just really enjoying it, there is noting wrong!"

She looked like I was crazy, she cried some more then finally told me that it had happened to her once before, and that the man she was with had screamed at her and told her she "peed" on him and she was disgusting and a dirty whore.

OMG, I went through the roof. I was pissed, I swear if I could of caught that dude i would have ripped his balls off!!!

I tried to stay calm and not let her see how angry I was. I had to explain what the fluid was and that it was not urine. I had to tell her it was normal, that it happened when a woman is stimulated a certain way and that it is a good thing because a lot of women can not relax enough for it to happen. I told her I was happy for her and that I was flattered and excited because it meant that I was really helping her to feel safe and satisfied and that that was a good thing.

It was pitifull. How long she had carried that shamefull experience, how long had she held back during sex, afraid to repeat the same "mistake"!!!!!!

The abuse that we take at the hands of ignorant and power hungary men (and women too). It makes me sick.

Free

PS....Sorry if I offended anybody, that's why I put the disclaimer.

April 22, 2006
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Lolli...

Lol...the Cookie???

That is just too cute.

I understand about what you are saying about bodyly functions remaining private and that is how you were raised. I hope for your sake you were not raised to feel ashamed about it, just more a sense of privacy???

Wow...never heard your dad fart!!!

An old sponsr of mine told me the secret to a good relationship, to defeat that mask we all display and the inevitable crashing of reality was "Fart to soon and laugh too loud. If they stick around, then they love you for you, not the idea of you." I always think abou thtat and laugh.

Thanks for replying!

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April 23, 2006
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Erica,

I don't know if I would even call it privacy thing...more so a "manners" thing. Certainly not a shame thing however.

My parents were big on manners. Not that we "couldn't" do those things but we would be corrected with things like "go do that in the bathroom" or "cover your mouth and say excuse me".

I have a story that I think is funny....don't know how well it will translate in writing but......

Where I used to work...the women were pretty "crude", for lack of a better word, (i.e. "I have to take a shit) and I spend most of my time mortified...much to their entertainment. Anyway, these were all grown women except one who was just a teenager. One day she belched louder than any man I had ever heard, I couldn't even help it...I scolded her like I was her mother...I said "SARAH....say excuse me". She looked at me like I had two heads and quietly said "excuse me". I went on to tell her that she is a lady and it's one thing to burp if she's needs to but my god....do the neighbors have to hear it??? Anyway from there on in, she would burp, look at me and smile and say "exucuse me" I'd say...."there's my girl".

One day I was out of work and when I came back the next day, they told me a story. The said at lunch that Sarah had belched really loud and continued eating...so they looked at her and said sarcastically "what happnened to excuse me?"...She responded....."I don't have to say that to you....you're not Lolli"

I thought that was very funny and I thought it was nice that she was saying "excuse me" out of respect for me. I know in my heart that as she gets older...this will stick with her...and she'll make Mama proud.

Jeez, that was a long winded story.

Back to the point....shame about the cookie....

Although I was molested as a child...which could create a lot of shame in a person, I have been very fortunate in that all of the men I have been with in my adult life were very complimentary, attentive, considerate, etc. etc. Even if they weren't in any other area of our relationship!

Therefore....No, I have no hangups about the cookie.

April 23, 2006
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Lolli, man you are making my sides hurt.

"Back to the point....shame about the cookie...."

OMG, hahahahaha.....

" I have no hangups about the cookie."

LOL...LMAO

The way you say things is so cute!

I was taught manners too. I cover my mouth and say excuse me. I say "bless you" and all that stuff.

I try not to fart in front of people, just cause it is embarassing.

LOL...that reminds me of something...My dead Aunt Shirley the alcoholic...well, she had...flatulence, is that what it is called where you fart ALL the time..

Well we would go with her to the store, or what not. She'd walk through the aisle and step, step, fart fart... OMG, I would be so embarrased. Or she'd bend over and accidentally let out a BIG ONE, like while she was trying to pick up a soda from the bottom row or something. Then she'd stand up and go..."OOppppss"

I know it must have been embarasong for her, and now I feel sorry for her, but back then I was a kid and all I could think of was how embarrased I was!!! And also, it was pretty damn funny!

Still laughing,
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