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The river
June 16, 2005
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The river flows, never ceasing; but, it is not the same water.

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Wow.

June 16, 2005
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Amen!

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You're talking about me, aren't you?

I just know it.

June 16, 2005
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Nor are we when we step into it?

June 16, 2005
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Change is constant, and so are we, even if we try to maintain to be still with it.

If we try to maintain what we have or are without changing, we become stagnant. What was, or what we were, becomes obsolete.

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The flow of the river is important adn the direction...up stream down stream (salmon goo upstream to mate, and lay eggs...sorry oculdn't resist the mating part! ) ok on to more serious things.

We can choose which current we want to go in..a fast raging river, or a smooth current. Either one could take a turn and we could go over the falls...but then that is another path...an uncomfortable one, but
nonetheless another path just the same.

Rivers can be calming and peaceful as well...thing is we get to choose which one go into

June 16, 2005
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So if we are able to 'choose our own path', or which river to go into, does that have a stronger impact on our outcome in life?

Does this mean we will have better control how we swim (or travel) in these waters by the one we choose? Or does it really matter; as many things come upon us which we are not in control of, anyway?

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Cic,

come on back here........what's your take?

Which direction we are going? or going with the flow?

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You are the river. You are the water. The essence remains. The essence is change.

Ooooo. I'm a fortune cookie today, I tell ya. :p

June 16, 2005
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What happens when you try to hold on to water?

June 16, 2005
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So if we are able to 'choose our own path', or which river to go into, does that have a stronger impact on our outcome in life?

I believe absolutely, we are able to choose our own path, and that more than anything determines the outcome of our life.

If we choose to go rob banks, we end up in jail..

June 16, 2005
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So in essence, all things change, with or without our control or input.

All life is matter, us, the river, the river bed rocks..........all of which is subject to change, no, does change over time. Some more slowly over time than others..........the rocks will eventually turn to pebbles and finally to sand.

June 16, 2005
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light bulb.......if we are the river..............now I have to start over here.

June 16, 2005
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I don't think we get to choose, beyond a certain point. Our choices are often limited to do I fight the current, tire myself out and drown, or just go with the flow and hope you don't hit your head on a rock.

I personally have real trouble going with the flow. I want the river to send me a memo setting up a meeting, than a reminder to remind me of the meeting, and I want 2 breaks and lunch catered! Spontaneity verdamt! I don't speak German, so I'm sure I spelt that wrong - but you get my point.

I have real difficulty living in the river, living in the flow of time, of life, of change. I'm one of those people who are standing on the hillside shouting to the heavens "stop the world for just a minute, dammit, I need a moment to catch up!"

I want to be flexible, bendy, like a willow tree without the weeping. I want to be able to see solutions and not just problems. I wish I had been given a list of items to pack before I began this journey - I would have worn a life vest, and packed my goods in a waterproof bag. Right now, all my stuff that hasn't washed away is completely waterlogged, and it is a miracle that i haven't drowned yet. I've gone under a few times, but here I am.

And every time the river takes me past a grassy verge, I wonder - was that my destination? Should I have made landfall there?

June 16, 2005
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If you hold onto water..it slips thru your fingers, leaving it wet with a few molecules of H2O on your hands.

If you hold onto to it in a container, without life forms as it is when it is a river to keep it healthy, the water becomes stagnant. If water is bottled up, to maintain it's purity, it has to go thru a process, for purification, additives added to it so it will not be harmful for consumption. Now the form of the water is a forced change.......it no longer is 'natural'....it is now changed into something than it originally was.......free flowing water in a river.

June 16, 2005
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But, JW, I like your take on it.............so keep going with it?

June 16, 2005
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What happens when I try to hold on to water? I get a handful of water, but this handful is all I get! What about all the new, fresher water that is now flowing past me? To grab a handful of the fresher water, I have to let go of this handful, and the end result is still one measly handful of water.

How can you experience the river? Is it a mistake to try to hold onto it at all? Because by doing so, we miss so much. By clinging to the little handful that we can call ours, we shut ourselves off from the rest of the river, the whole miraculous flow of constantly recycled water, that is always fresh, always clean and pure.

June 16, 2005
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So why are you trying to hold onto the water, JW? There is more than just a handful.

The river is full of life. It is full of multiple life forms to feed it, keep it clean, even the smallest microorganisms.

The river is a cycle of life...all beings of the river feed off of each other in different levels of hierarchy; it is a matter of survival. without these life forms, the river becomes stagnant, or dead.

(I really did not want to go this direction...by brain took me there.)

This is really true, rivers do die out. Rivers do go thru phases and eventually change form, get smaller and die out. They no longer are.

Wait.......are they no longer there? The river had now become part of the land, the earth.......it's form has changed into different matter.

June 16, 2005
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If i let go of my handful of water, sew, I have nothing. My hands are empty, and even if I can scoop up some more water, this new handful will never be mine the way the first one was.

It sounds crazy, and maybe that's why my life is so crazy.

June 16, 2005
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LOL, in kindness to you, JW! I do try to find the humour, and I suppose you wwere downright serious in your statement, but I lausghed because try as you might with the river, you ended up with letting it go out from your hands!

Why not try swimming in it, see it as a voyage?

I hate to see you end so abruptly here and come full circle so quickly, smiling again.

This is a learning practice, so am not sure where you go with it next, JW. Cici?

June 16, 2005
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Time for me to dwell on it for later and see what and who else jumps in here.

June 16, 2005
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I was in a sad place, and thinking about the river has made me feel as though I have been looking at things all wrong. I keep trying to get things to stabilize, to keep still so I can nail it down, and nothing cooperates. Everything keeps on moving, and I am always one step behind.

It has made me sadder, but a tiny bit hopeful, because, if I can learn how to flow, maybe things will be better?

June 16, 2005
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I totally understand what you mean.....seems as tho there is peace, but never for long and wham bam back to the junk again.

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This thread is poewrful...

But the first thing that popped in my mind when CiCi asked "what happens when you hold onto water"...first thing I thought of was that I become bloated, fatter, weigh more, and my clothes fit tighter than ususal. My ring does not go on or off as easily. A female thing I guess. What we have here is "Water Retention".

There must be an analyzation for holding on to water maybe?

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