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The problem I have with the so-called :Dali-Lamas Insights....
February 19, 2009
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How about poverty?

REAL poverty experienced around the world?

Hard working folks that play by the rules yet do not have the bare essentials.

Food, clothing, shelter, water and heat.

So what is up with that?

I ask you?

Can this just be poohed-poohed away from such so proclaimed royal'heiness' - Grand Dali Llama with some kind of profound blanket serving to distract such direction - insight which indirectly seems to think that it does in fact directly address these specific problems?

The problems of poverty obvious everywhere?

What does the great Dali-Llama - lord of lords - have to say about world poverty?

SPECIFICALLY??????

The poverty in his own back yard maybe?

Should we just 'wish' it away?

Think it as a negative thing which should vanish into thin air simply because the great master deems it so?????

You think?

I don't think so.

Matter of fact, I don't really believe that his 'holiness' has an answer either.

I am looking for 'bottom-line' concrete examples.

REAL TRUTH!!!!!!

My sense is that I will not get this here.

Instead, just some kind of flighty, trick of the cards in front of me kind of 'wisdom' pseudo-crap which will do nothing more than to insult my intelligence.

Slight orf hand.

Slight of mind.

I get it.

I see it.

Thank you very much!

See - when the bullet finally meets the bone here - Mr. Dali Lama with all of his so-called majesty - here falls real short.

Really short.

Please DO prove me wrong.

Please.

DO SO!!!!!

But in the real end, I suspect - his so-called heiness is nothing more than just a bunch of hot air.

If I am wrong.....so be it.

PROVE me wrong.

I dare you.........

No amount of so-called wisdom will ever sway me.

For I am really keen on the slight of hand - let alone - the temporary slight of mind.

Plesse do your best - for I will forever be 'on' to you............

What say that oh grand 'master?"

February 19, 2009
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Bottom-line - if you just can't keep it real - for REAL.....then why bother giving us a smoke screen?

February 19, 2009
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Like the 1960's song says....give me somethin - somethin I can use!!!!!!!

February 19, 2009
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The Dalai Lamas robbed from the poor. They enjoyed luxury while the poor serfs languished in poverty and suffering.

From the well referenced and researched: Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth

High ranking Lamas enjoy luxury:

Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries rested in the hands of small numbers of high-ranking lamas. Most ordinary monks lived modestly and had no direct access to great wealth. The Dalai Lama himself “lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.”

Sufferings of the Serfs of Tibet:

In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical care, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord's land--or the monastery's land--without pay, to repair the lord's houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand. Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location.

From the:

10 Facts About Tibet The Dalai Lama Doesn't Want You To Know

FACT ONE: Tibetans practiced a spiritual form of medicine. One of the more bizarre beliefs, were the mystical healing powers lamas possessed. Just being able to touch a holy person was enough to cure a raft of diseases. And for those unable to get close to a deity like the Dalai Lama, the god-man came to them, in the form of urine and excrement (the later was dried & made into a pill, for swallowing). Spittle from a lama was similarly treasured for its healing powers.

FACT THREE: Infant mortality was around 1 in 2 (one set of figures put it as high as 3 in 4)The current Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso (born 1935) tells of his mother giving birth to 14 children, 6 of which died as babies.

FACT FIVE: Prior to the Chinese invasion there were only two small schools operating in the whole of Tibet (using the term school in the modern secular interpretation of the word) These schools educated teenage boys starting at age 14. Eligibility was confined to nobility, families of high ranking monks and government officials.

FACT SEVEN: Serfs, who made-up around 80% of the population (again figures vary) were ‘tied to their master's'. Under the Tibetan feudal system, peasants were rendered virtually powerless. They couldn't travel, marry, trade etc, without permission or consent of their masters. About 500 families controlled 80% of the countries wealth.

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Emmanuael Kant described Tibet as ‘a dark cruel theocracy' and Rousseau as ‘oppressive and bizarre'.

 

February 19, 2009
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Yeah, I kind of figured as much.

See, when I witness - like the Bishop Desmond Tutu - I feel him.

Don't necessarily agree with him - but I feel him.

He's real.

Whatever it seems to be going on his life - it is working. I have no qualms about that.

Don't personally agree with it - but then what do I know?

I give him that.

I see it.

I witness it.

Would not fault him at all in a million years.

The Dali Llama, on the other hand.....not so much.

Don't know why - just know/feel somethin' somethin' just ain't quite square.

Somethin' just ain't right in my book.

Can't quite put my finger on it - but that's OK.

Learned a long, long time ago not to ever question these type of things - but to just simply trust 'em - for my own well being and not think any more of it.

Guess nothin' much has changed since then.

Shrug.

Somethin' ain't right.

I'll be damned to lose sleep at night because of it.

Just the way that it is.

Who knows - in maybe 5-10-15-20 years it will all come to pass - and for me - by that time - I doubt that I will even care anymore.

I just know what I know in my guts right now.

Ain't nobody gonna prove me otherwise.

Somethin just ain't square with this so-called Dali Llama fella.

No sir-ree-bob!!!!!!!

Aside from that - plan on sleeping good - real good - tonight regardless.

February 20, 2009
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This video Link might be helpful.

February 21, 2009
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In the video link, the buddhist monnk Matthieu Ricard is interviewed. They say he went from a rich lifestyle to a humble monk lifestyle in Tibet. That doesnt have anything to do with the fact that in Tibetan history as I pointed out above already, high ranking Lamas enjoyed luxury and the serfs were enslaved and lived like beggars.

February 21, 2009
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G - you may have found your soul mate. TruthBtold shares your insight into the Dlama. This could be the thread that begins to weave the fabric of your love quilt.

I'm only kidding. Don't go ballistic. Try to have a sense of humor. I'm just happy that you've found someone who shares your opinion of the DLama. I can see this going places. I also think, if I've pictured you in my mind accurately, that you would look pretty hot in a monk robe and some beads. It may increase your chances with the ladies ;o). Okay, settle down - I'm kidding. Just a short story that doesn't really mean anything, but you may want to respond with something profound or sarcastic.
I sat next to a Tibetan monk on a plane from Hong Kong once, and was quite impressed with his peaceful nature. We had horrible turbulance - the worst I had ever experienced - for 5 hours of the 15 hour flight. While everyone was sweating with fear, I just clutched the monk while he prayed peacfully with his beads. I read more about their beliefs once I got home to LA safely, but for those scary moments on the plane, he was my peaceful beacon. He was kind, calm, and not afraid. He was a comfort to me, because of what he believed. Anyway, whatever. Just some ammunition for you to use on me later. Unless you kick me off this thread too. "Go away Shaney!" G - you really do crack me up.

TBT - I know you can take some elbowing and sarcasm - otherwise I wouldn't have written this. :o) Peace to you as always.

Have a good weekend all. You too Mr. Tez. I happen to like your DLama insights, for what it's worth.

I'm out. Unless Gman wants to spar ;o).

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go away! j/k

>> He was kind, calm, and not afraid.

These monks would be all smiley if you tazered them, pepper sprayed them, woke them up using this technique, or anything else.

Ok maybe that isnt funny to some people but I wonder how a monk would react to that. Kidding though, they'd show the same reaction.

Well screw these monks. They are peaceful hippies. They spend their lives trying to be all peaceful and thats fine. Nothing's wrong with that, but that doesnt have anything to do with how Tibet used to be. Ofcourse the guy's happy to be sitting in a plane. Its only the 2nd time. His ancestors probably sat around on the ground begging for lunch and clothes in a street in Tibet 80 years ago - the poor serfs. This is true. This is what happened in Tibet and I pointed it out above. So whatdya say to that?

February 22, 2009
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Let me Google that for you…

“The Dalai Lama has called on Australians to help reduce the gap between rich and poor…”

“There can be no peace as long as there is grinding poverty, social injustice, inequality, oppression, environmental degradation, and as long as the weak and small continue to be trodden by the mighty and powerful.”

“If you wish to experience peace, provide peace for another.”

“Fight violence with peace, poverty with compassion”

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dalai+lama+poverty

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WD, thats a nice quote:

“There can be no peace as long as there is grinding poverty, social injustice, inequality, oppression, environmental degradation, and as long as the weak and small continue to be trodden by the mighty and powerful.”

However, there's some hypocrisy. This same evil used to go on in Tibet under the Dalai Lamas themselves. Read this, for once:

Drepung monastery was one of the biggest landowners in the world, with its 185 manors, 25,000 serfs, 300 great pastures, and 16,000 herdsmen. The wealth of the monasteries rested in the hands of small numbers of high-ranking lamas. Most ordinary monks lived modestly and had no direct access to great wealth. The Dalai Lama himself “lived richly in the 1000-room, 14-story Potala Palace.” (source)

In old Tibet there were small numbers of farmers who subsisted as a kind of free peasantry, and perhaps an additional 10,000 people who composed the “middle-class” families of merchants, shopkeepers, and small traders. Thousands of others were beggars. There also were slaves, usually domestic servants, who owned nothing. Their offspring were born into slavery. The majority of the rural population were serfs. Treated little better than slaves, the serfs went without schooling or medical car e, They were under a lifetime bond to work the lord's land--or the monastery's land-- without pay , to repair the lord's houses, transport his crops, and collect his firewood. They were also expected to provide carrying animals and transportation on demand. Their masters told them what crops to grow and what animals to raise. They could not get married without the consent of their lord or lama. And they might easily be separated from their families should their owners lease them out to work in a distant location.

FACT FIVE: Prior to the Chinese invasion there were only two small schools operating in the whole of Tibet (using the term school in the modern secular interpretation of the word) These schools educated teenage boys starting at age 14. Eligibility was confined to nobility, families of high ranking monks and government officials. (source)

FACT SEVEN: Serfs, who made-up around 80% of the population (again figures vary) were ‘tied to their master's'. Under the Tibetan feudal system, peasants were rendered virtually powerless. They couldn't travel, marry, trade etc, without permission or consent of their masters. About 500 families controlled 80% of the countries wealth.

You cannot turn a blind eye to the history of Tibet and only see the nice things being said by the Dalai Lama or even other people. They, the Dalai Lamas are corrupt double-faced hypocrites. They do what the culture allows them to do. Remember, the true test of intelligence is the ability to hold two opposite ideas at the same time. China has been bad to Tibet, but - so were the Dalai Lamas. The Dalai Lama has some nice quotes but - they allowed slavery, torture and serfdom to go in Tibet.

Are you:
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driven by emotion and do you actively and fiercely resist in intelligent ways (including ignoring evidence or justifying it in various ways) all attempts that can change your beliefs or,
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do you have the ability to be objective and accept evidence and can change your beliefs when evidence suggests your previous beliefs are incorrect?

Real scientists are like in (2), not only in their profession but also in their social and personal life.

February 22, 2009
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WD

Deargod you fed him a whopper. Ima start calling you WhopperDude.

February 22, 2009
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nasty.. nasty....! I love it!

February 22, 2009
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he he he, bevdee!

February 23, 2009
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"Have a good weekend all. You too Mr. Tez. I happen to like your DLama insights, for what it's worth."

Thanks - I wish I had the same insights as the Dalai Lama has.

Here is an interesting video Link made by a globe trotting scientist that puts a good perspective on Tibetan Buddhism.

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Intersting. I wonder if I'm going to get a response from WD on the issue of slavery and suffering under the rule of the Dalai Lamas.

WD, I guess you fall under category (1) of scientists after all.

February 23, 2009
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I swear.....I just don't know WHY this link posted everyday of the "Dali Lama's Insights" just IRKS me so?????

I mean - really just IRKS the hell out of me!!!!!!

....and the thing is - it could be anybody.

The thread could read...."The Insights of Jesus", "The Insights of whatever.....you fill in the blanks"...etc.

Maybe that's it!

Maybe that's the crux.

To propensity to look somewhere else (outside of ourselves) for direction, answers etc as if someone else's slant on reality was/is the where all and end all.

When actually, deep down, I believe that all of us....EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US - already have the answers to our own questions.....way deep, deep down on some level already.

(If we are willing to explore.....)

Anything shy of that and to me, is a little bit removed from my own truth.

My own critical thinking skills.

To Our Own Self Be True!!!!!!!!

You know?

While it might be advantageous to consider and chew on the perspectives from other 'great leaders' etc....afterall - knowledge IS power - but, by the same token - in the end, I must never lose sight of my own critical thinking skills to determine FOR MYSELF just what is absolute truth and enlightment in accordance to MY OWN values and estimations.

That particular arena, I am afraid, I will not EVER turn over to someone or something.....ELSE.

p.s. - anyways - thanks to all for bearing with me in all of my convoluted, tangent mess...........

tBt

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On the 23-Feb-09 you wrote:

"I swear.....I just don't know WHY this link posted everyday of the "Dali Lama's Insights" just IRKS me so?????

I mean - really just IRKS the hell out of me!!!!!!

....and the thing is - it could be anybody.

The thread could read...."The Insights of Jesus", "The Insights of whatever.....you fill in the blanks"...etc.

Maybe that's it!

Maybe that's the crux."

Thank you for having both the courage to share your feelings so honesty with us. What follows is not intented in any way as criticism. What I have written are just what they seem, honest questions that are running through my mind. I had a similar 'bias' for many more years than I care to mention about Christian leaders. Thankfully I seem to have passed through that phase in my life - I think(but I could be wrong).

Do you think that there could be an unconscious inference that you are drawing, some other intent or motive that you are ascribing to the Dalai Lama or to me the poster of his insights than the obvious one?

Do you see all great masters who achieve world recognition as such as being 'holier than thou' in their own self-image?

Or do you resent and blame them for your not being able to see the depth and value in their writings that others can?

Or do you resent what you perceive as being naivity and gullibility in those who like and want to hear what the great masters have to say?

I believe that Richard Dawkins suffers from the last of these.

Or is there an entirely different reason that you can see for this animosity and chagrin that you appear to exhibit?

Or is it that you cannot accept that others can think, believe or have insights that can differ from your own?

Or do you feel less secure in seeing a huge number of people ascribing to beliefs that you see as being detrimental to you in some way; for example Christian influence on legislation perhaps?

It could be well worth your while to pursue this insight of yours.

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TbT, you're not alone:

>> I mean - really just IRKS the hell out of me!!!!!!

Tez has a free rule on this site. The Insights of the Dalai Lama are simply spam that he's obsessed about posting every day that alnost no one reads. Some people come and say thanks but they do it to make him feel better. They could care less if he stopped posted. Infact they would be happier because now they dont have to make him feel better and say thanks to him and feed his ego every couple of days.

Then he has the nerve to say I have a personal beef with him because I write against the Dalai Lamas when he was the first one to call me names like g_hole and wuss and what not.

Lets not forget that so many people on this website, have described Tez's condescending behavior. Oh and now he's criticizing Richard Dawkins.

Tez, do you know what Serfdom and eye-gouging is? Hint: its well-documented and it used to go on under the Dalai Lamas.

February 23, 2009
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TBT,

I do believe your right in a number of things you stated... However, it doesn't matter who claims the copy right of the insights... they are just that insights. We don't have to believe them or live by them. There are many insights that Tez has posted that I agree with to a certain degree but not all of them.. and some I don't agree with at all. Some of them I kind of think whomever wrote this insight (not meaning Tez) is out of their mind.. but then there are some that I think that's right no matter what you believe or don't believe.

The thing is this, it is what you do or don't get out of them. I do not practice any of the Dali Lamas teachings, nor any other teachings out there... I just go by what I know in my heart... My belief is firmly in God. But that doesn't mean that I put down anyone for believing in something or someone differant then what I do.

You know what is in your heart, and no one can ever take that away from you. So kindly and respectfully if the insights irk you so badly I wouldn't read them or bother with them at all. When I read them I'm pretty sure I don't take them exactly the way they were meant to be taken. But that doesn't matter to me.

I've read many of your post and you seem to be intelligent and a kind person.. that's what really matters as long as you are happy in your own heart.... and believe what you choose to believe.

Only my take on what you posted, and the way I feel about them... when I first read one, I was not impressed at all but that was the insight that Tez had posted that one day... So I read them and take what I want and leave the rest.

I think you or anyone on here could write insights of your own and I bet each one that did so, we could all agree with or disagree with to a certain extent... but I think we all know what is in our hearts.. and if it something positive to share in the way of an insight.. I'd say go for it... This thread that you started is very insightful to me.

Thanks

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>> Some of them I kind of think whomever wrote this insight (not meaning Tez) is out of their mind..

Healing, I'd really want to know what quotes those are. Is it possible for you to point them out without caring if it upsets anyone? We're adults - I'm sure Tez will agree that we can take some discussion and debate without it hitting our egos.

I dont know - you're probably not going to point them out because you'd rather not upset anyone but I wanted to let you know that atleast I'd love to hear what you had to say.

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I don't recall exactly which ones they were anymore...and maybe later on I will read them and give you more details.

However, I remember one of them that in a indirect way stated that anger is a useless emotion... I don't recall how it was written any more, but I totally disagree with that insight and even the way it was written as I recall, to me it made no sense what so ever.

As far as being afraid of hurting Tez's feelings, your correct I wouldn't want to hurt his, yours or anyone elses feelings.. I'm sure Tez, and pretty much everyone else that reads some of the threads here are well aware that some things stated may hurt another person's feelings, but I don't think anyone does it intentionally. Well I wouldn't, I take what I can from what I read on here and leave the rest.

I posted that sentence with (not meaning Tez) with no intentions of protecting him or to not hurt him.. but Tez is posting the insights and doesn't claim to be the Author of them... if he is or has been and I haven't agreed with one or however many.. I'd still be saying the same as the way I see it, but that would't be intentionally hurting his feelings, and I think he would respect it all the same... I think he knows that some people do and some don't agree with all the insights, and I really do believe that he has enough growth that it wouldn't bother him if I agree or don't agree.

Just like you wouldn't mind I don't think if I didn't agree with something you said.... Peace to you Guest, I have to run but will check back in soon.

Healing and Peace

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Maybe.....just maybe I would be more inclined to contemplate the 'teachings' of wisdom from various sources if I were more comfortable within my own skin?

Maybe that's my personal issue/lesson to contend with.....

(Though I do know one thing - that anger is indeed just another emotion. A messenger not unlike any other feeling....not to be eliminated, minimized, rationalized or personally censored but simply acknowledged at face value.)

BTW Shaney, I really liked your post.

Yeah, I can take the innocent ribbing 🙂

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TBT,

I believe you may be correct, you just may not be comfortable because of your own personal reason's within...There is something to be said about each and every one's individual growth, we all work at a differant pace, and no one is alike.... We all may or may not agree but once one gets beyond our inner conflict, or whatever one wants to call it, we can let go of whatever holds us back from excepting one, and differant circumstances, or situations, and opinions.

Healing and Peace

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Healing.. and peace

Thanks for your post of 24-Feb-09. I agree with what you wrote, even the part which said:

"However, I remember one of them that in a indirect way stated that anger is a useless emotion... I don't recall how it was written any more, but I totally disagree with that insight and even the way it was written as I recall, to me it made no sense what so ever."

Since that insight you mentioned, I have been churning over whether the emotion of anger has any redeeming factors.

Last Wednesday's and Thursday's Dalai Lama's Insights which come from the Dalai Lama's book, 'The Art Of Happiness' tend to give a slightly different impression that the insight of which you speak. This is one of the problems that I have with taking quotes out of the context in which they were written. A different interpretation not intended by the author can easily be made. I'm a past master at misinterpreting the written word.

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