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The Pope Visits US - and most swoon
April 23, 2008
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Again, I dunno know about any of you - but when I see the pope doing pope-like things here in the US recently - I just couldn't help but to be cynical.

Here's the guy (from what I understand.....correct me IF I'm wrong) was in a position BEFORE his "pope-ship" that was actually fully engaged in the sexual abuse goings-on with some priests and literally was one of the main people in charge of transferring the perps from one place to another.

Yet - we are supposed to worship the ground he walks on and hang on every little word that comes rolling off his tongue as if it is the word/channeled through Christ?

Sorry folks.

I was "brought up" Catholic.

This go around - I'm sorry. I just ain't buying it.

You know, It was almost as if I saw him as nothing more than a glorified easter bunny or santa clause.

It was JUST THAT animated to me.

I just shook my head.

What a farce.

What an absolute farce.

And to think that some reports thought that he just did a "larger than life thing" to even acknowledge the abuse stemming in Boston - and took 10-20 minutes out of his "pope-ship" time to address a roomful of victims was to somehow and in someway make it all right and go away......

Again. I think.

What a farce.

What an ABSOLUTE farce!!!!!!

(To tell you the truth - it's my sense that I am not alone here. That most folks are finally seeing through all this mess.....)

Just my take.

tBt

April 23, 2008
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PS - why is the pope so covered up and protected in his "pope-mobile?"

What's he afraid of anyway?

Dying and going to heaven??????

April 23, 2008
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tBt -

The Catholic Church and its mindset is totally archaic in my opinion.

I was born and baptised Catholic, raised and again baptised as a Methodist when my parents changed religions for some unknown reason, and then went back to Catholic Church (and again rebaptised) when I was pushed into my first marriage...

I had been a battered wife and had lost a baby due to one of his rages when I told him...he didn't want children...and when I went to my parish and priest...I was told that I was his wife and that was that. So if the Catholic Church condoned his beating me and 'murdering' our unborn child...why wouldn't the condone pedophilia and protect their own. When I went for an annulment I was denied...but when he went for an annullment, it was granted. Got that about 5 years ago...we were divorced in 1975. Go figure! Catholicism is very MALE oriented. I think they still believe women are no more than chattel.

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I still believe in God...just not in any set religion.

April 23, 2008
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At least it is my interpretation of "God" which may not conform to anyone else's beliefs or teachings.

April 23, 2008
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he was covered in his pope mobile for security? but i dont like their decorations anyway. If religion is true, they dont need to put on those 2 feet high fancy hats and gowns and what not. Making something look "holy" is what it is.

If its all true, why cant he wear a simple t-shirt and jeans, yea? Good point now.

For example, CEO's of companies dont have to wear special gowns or stuff to make them look holy etc, because they dont need to.

The good news was that they said priests are declining and are much needed so now the US is importing priests from other countries. The younger generation realizes and distances itself from religion more and more with heach generation.

I liked the way the pope spoke though, but im sure he took classes on how to say stuff. it was an interesting accent.

April 23, 2008
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I don't quite get why people find it
Necessary to worry about what the Pope has to say or where he goes or what the Catholic church Is wearing for vestments or any of the rest of it for that matter. If you choose for youself not to be Catholic then thats fine. Why comment on what you obviously don't agree with nor understand. Maybe the Pope doesn't want to wear a t-shirt and jeans and why is that your place to judge. People don't like to be judged so why then do those same peoples go around judging others. When you point your finger at someone you have three more fingers pointing straight back at YOU!

April 23, 2008
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I neither heard any of his speeches nor saw any of his 'visits' on tv... I was not judging the Pope for what he was wearing or in what he was riding. Personally...I could care less if he was wearing vestments like a king or a t shirt and jeans. I was just commenting on my own experiences with the Catholic Church and the hypocrisy of it all. And I come from a VERY Catholic family on both sides...with cousins who are priests and nuns...one who has been groomed for Cardinalship and who knows beyond that!

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April 23, 2008
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Though there have been no Popes in my family ancestory...there have been Bishops and Cardinals.

April 23, 2008
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Why should Catholic priests who are pedophiles be treated any differently than any other pedophile who has molested and 'murdered' the souls of children? Instead, the Church just moved them to a new location so that they could prey on other innocent souls and/or paid off their victims.

April 23, 2008
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your entitled to you opinion of course even though you have no firsthand knowlege of the pedophile situation.

April 23, 2008
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And if I told you that the priest cousin of mine when confronted with this question,had acknowledged this as a fact and had been sent to Notre Dame to take psychology courses to deal with just this issue? And this was a long time ago - more than ten or so years ago? Then what? This pedophilia within the Church isn't just something that happened - yesterday.

April 23, 2008
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And I have also had twin second cousins who were priests who spent time in Levinworth, I think, because they tried to 'liberate' a nuclear or atom bomb from one of our Strategic Air sites....for what purpose? I haven't a clue!

April 23, 2008
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Or fissionable material to make a bomb. This must have been back in the 1960s because I believe they served almost 30 years and were released sometime in the 1990s.

April 23, 2008
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I am not a Catholic. But I think he is trying hard to help. Catholicism has lost a lot of respect due to the priests and their sexual preferences. I'm sure he felt as if he probably needed to take a trip to the US to try to patch things up a bit. Thing is, this is nothing new among the priests. Baby skeletons were found hundreds of years ago buried in the walls of the ancient churches. But I don't think it necessarily ends with Catholic priests, but don't quote me on that! 🙂 Thing is, if one is going to be a leader that people trust, they have to be that person. Laws are fairly strict in that way. It is very sad what has happened. I think things fall apart when they are man-made though. We get into this thought process that we have to follow all of these sanctimonious laws, when that isn't what God is all about. It is a VERY sensitive subject.

I don't necessarily agree with all of the flagrant robes and jewelry of the popes, but I guess I respect it. I have learned a lot about Catholicism lately. I know that there are Catholics on this website, so I choose not to go into detail, as it would be disrespectful at best.

April 23, 2008
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The Catholic Church is in itself a 'government' within governments. It is omnipresent on this earth...in almost every country. I am sure, because attendence and the low numbers joining the priesthood being on the downside in the USA has caused GREAT concern monetarily for the Vatican State. Perhaps other countries do not deal with pedophilia and other 'sins' committed, as we do in the USA.

April 23, 2008
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Yeah I saw the Pope once and I flashed him. I agree with you on the pomposity of the Church. And the arrogance of the Church to think that a 20 minute quick Pope-fix is going to begin to repair the damage done to those young souls. They are beyond deluded if they think the public is fooled by that.

jv63 - one of the reasons I am glad I live where I do is because of the guarantee of Free Speech. Freedom to speak my opinions. Freedom to question. I like that on this forum, too. I understand choosing to be heavily indoctrinated in a religious denomination, though. I had to fight pretty hard to break out of the no-questioning mind set. No one encouraged me to do so. I was taught not to question, not to think too deeply or talk about that outside the accepted norm. "ours is not to question why......" Another family motto was "the less said about this, the better." Hmm not for me, it made me sick. I still run into it now and then, in different places.

If the Pope - a highly public figure, a man that the Catholics proclaim to be the spiritual leader of the world continues to downplay the horrific crimes his priests are committing on little children and continues to make public appearances, then he needs to be behind bullet-proof glass and he knows it.

Personally, I can't see how anyone could belong to a church that props a buffoon like him up as their spiritual leader or bobbing figurehead or anything. He knows that admonitions such as don't question don't apply to people that live in this world today. NOt many people swallow that mentality any more. We think too much for that, information is too accessible in this world. He must be aware of the growing chorus of outrage against these pedophilic priests and his sweeping dismissal of their victims. Can you imagine if that happened outside the Church? But priests are holy......

What fear he must live under, operating in such an archaic, medieval mode in a modern world. I wonder how he lives with himself, how he sleeps at night.

April 23, 2008
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We as people of the USA, can change our government..if we truly try to do that...but Catholic lay people really have no say in the Catholic Church nor have a chance in changing it.

April 23, 2008
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On My Way,

I have read about those baby skeletons. There was some conjecture that they may have been nun's murdered newborns. Nuns knocked up by priests. Conjecture.

April 23, 2008
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I just don't understand why you have to be so overtly negative to those who choose to believe. all that i am saying is what concern is it of yours what the Catholic church is or is not doing?? your not catholic. (ok by me) so if your not a part of this why are you even worried about it??? is it because your afraid that 6 billion people might be right??? Are you trying to convince people that you are right and billions of believers over twenty centuries are wrong???? You have the right to believe what ever you want. you have the right to say what ever you want I respect that and do not dispute your freedom to do so. I just don't see why you can't live and let live.

April 23, 2008
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That is why I don't have a set 'faith' or 'belief' or 'religion'. I learned from the Church that women are mere chattels and I believe that goes the same for children as well. Just property. I learned this in '73...when I sought help from the Church in dealing with my alcoholic and extremely abusive husband (who had on occasion tried to choke me to death) who beat the hell out of me making me lose a baby in my 2nd trimester - just because my husband didn't want children - because the Church didn't condone birth control - and later caused me to have an emergency operation 4 years later because of the damage he had done to me - where I almost lost my life and DID lose the ability to bear children after that. All I was told was that I was a Catholic wife and that I had to stay married, at any cost, to this man and made to feel that I was his 'property' to do with as he pleased. This is why the Catholic Church and any other religions and I parted company. I became the 'outcast' of my family, still am. DO I regret it?....not one bit!

Then with the pedophilia going on...how could I, or anyone for the matter of fact, go to confession and not wonder how many children that the priest, who is listening to my confession, was molesting? NO THANK YOU!

April 23, 2008
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Boy, some people are really brainwashed religiously...Read up about the Holy Roman Catholic Church...It reads worse than than the atrocities perpretated by Hitler in World War II and they go back to when the Church was first formed - by exterminating anyone who was of Gnostic belief. And then there was the Crusades. Then St. Helen and the Children's Crusade where UNTOLD numbers of children died. Then the Spanish Inquisition. The Church having brothels. And the babies who were killed and secreted away within the walls of Churches, convents, etc. The Church has reigned more death and destruction down through the ages and we are just to ignore that fact? What...PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY?

April 23, 2008
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I can understand your feeling of protectiveness toward the pope - the leader of the religious denomination you choose. I don't understand why it is threatening to you for any of us to express our opinions about his stance on priests abuse of children here on a non-religious site.

So you see my views, that differ from yours, as negative? Because they don't support your belief system?

I think acting out pedophilia is wrong. Child abuse, molestation, baby raping. Wrong. A crime. aI get on a soapbox about that every time. It's wrong, it's wrong it's wrong. I will continue to do so, because no matter what PR the catholic church tries to spin on their pedophilic priests' actions, I will continue to think it is wrong.

I did not offer my opinions on any of the other teachings of the catholic church. I think the ritual is kind of cool, something that has survived through the ages. I would only hope that the priest serving the communion is not a pedophile.

You say "your not catholic. (ok by me) so if your not a part of this why are you even worried about it???" Because it's little kids that are getting hurt. I don't care if they are catholic or not, jv. They're little trusting kids.

April 23, 2008
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I am sorry ....but....

THIS IS NOT WHAT GOD NOR THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS EVER INTENDED!

April 23, 2008
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I don't think any of them intended a life of abstinence either. Maybe that's why there is such perversion now.

April 23, 2008
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You have the narrow, short-sighted closed mindedness of everyone in my totally ROMAN CATHOLIC FAMILY!!!! WRONG IS WRONG...A CRIME IS A CRIME...you do not cover it up with pomp and rituals...and sending the Papa here.

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