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The People have Spoken
November 4, 2004
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What the American people have said they want very clearly is four more years of the same. That is to say, four more years of

Unemployment;
Degrading protections for the environment;
Cutting hot lunch programs for disadvantaged public school students;
Tax cuts for the wealthy;
Deficit spending;
Massive revocation of civil rights;
Imposition of extreme religious ideology on our government;
Increasing survellance of ordinary citizens;
Increased hatered from all the nations of the world;
Cutting money for Human services to pay fort depleted uranium bullets for killing foreigners;

This calls for a song!

November 4, 2004
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Hey WD,

Yeah, the people have spoken.

I think I'm done responding on the support threads. This really is the place (liberation brew) I just wanted to bring more people into the discussion - esp since it was going on anyway, and at least folks would know it was ok and I was there to delete/monitor, whatever. But there's little meaningful conversation going on.

Here's what I'd really like to talk about:

1. Americans getting better information next time around.

2. Laziness, that I believe drives our decisions. It's too hard to think about and learn what's real - esp when little is available on local media.

3. The **REAL** FEELINGS that people (the other 50%) are having, from being virtually cheated out of 8 years of political progress.

November 4, 2004
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Hi SC,

I guess that's why I posted "back here." I am so darned grumpy it has come full circle into a kind of giddy venting. Like the song. I'm sure to offend some people in the next few days, and I hope that by putting my well-meaning, good-natured RIGHTEOUS OUTRAGE back here it will be taken for what it is. Venting.

Did you see the Marry an American website? Wotta laff.

November 4, 2004
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Maybe we just need another civil war. Cleave off those red states.

Ironically enough, those are the ones who support Bush. And yet they aren't in as much danger of being targetted by terrorists. Us blue states know what the real cancer of this country was.

November 5, 2004
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yeah silence, tell me about it. they can talk about 9/11 all they want but they didn't have it happen in their backyard, and go to sleep smelling it for days after. bush can use what happened as a pawn to scare people, pretend he can protect us, but in truth that ship has sailed. He should have listened to Clinton's people when they gave him the warning.

Now we are hated even more feircely world wide. His father was no prize either- I was in Egypt and talked to people during that administration and at that point the general opinion of our country in that region was "We don't hate Americans...we like you. We just don't like your president." With the current international climate, I don't think I will be touring Egypt anytime in the near futre. Things are progressing in a downward spiral with the Bush family in the White House and it's very scary.

I just hope there is not another attack, but I refuse to let these talking heads manipulate me enough to live in fear. What is frightening is how willing people are to sacrifice rights that this country has fought so hard for throughout history. These will not be easily regained.
-ella

November 5, 2004
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What would Kerry have done had he been elected that would protect us better than what Bush is doing? I'm not asking what Bush has done wrong. I'm asking what it is that Kerry, Bush, or any other President can do AT THIS POINT.

How can the President protect us from another 9-11? What should he do now?

Not what he should have could have would have done.

what he or she could, should, do now.

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November 5, 2004
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Hi free, I hope you will accept my apology on the other thread?

I think he CAN"T completely protect us. That's the fallacy in the platform of BOTH candidates. At this point, I think it may be to late for Bush to do anything... I don't think he's going to act in any way that will change much. Kerry couldn't work miracles at this point either, but a different man in the house would give us a better chance with nations that have many grievances w/us. Just MHO.

There are also things he does that ARE NOT necessary, in my opinion, Patriot ACT, etc... that doesn't ensure safety in my mind, it only undermines our personal freedom and right to privacy.

We need someone who has more of a peaceful approach to things, terrorism or not. We don't seem to have too many allies at this point. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but it created some sort fog that seems to distract people from that fact enough to think that something was accomplished. What the heck happened in Afganistan? We didn't hear much about it for long. That's where all the energy should have gone. I understand that at times war has to occur to ensure the safety of ones own people, it's an ugly truth. The best defense can be an offense, but you must pick and choose your battles accordingly. I guess I don't believe Bush is doing that. That's just what I think with the little I know.

-ella

November 5, 2004
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the other big problem is the whole primary process. They really should randomize which states get first shot at the primaries. I'm tired of these assholes (no offense to those living there) in Iowa and New Hampshire deciding on who we get to vote for election after election.

Just a little gripe from here in NJ, where we don't get to decide shit.

November 5, 2004
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I am so very tired of "politics"... meaning I really don't believe much of what they say anymore. They say what they think we want to hear... get us to vote by using scare tactics. I too would have liked a change - to see what Kerry & Edwards could have done.

However, I think the government has forgotten what the average American's income is & how much we are expected to pay for with it. Everything is up except our paychecks. In my local community, the town next door has stopped bussing the HS kids in. They say they don't have enough money. Education is a basic right & I believe transportation to education should be a basic right too. Less and less are being done for us as people, and we pay more and more.

I am tired of the government people (I'm sorry - you may disagree with me) collecting such high paychecks and then when they retire, continue to collect the same. When we retire, we only get a portion of what we used to make & we make a heck of a lot less than they do. I am not saying government officials aren't important - I AM saying everyone is important. Perhaps (I am) jealous that they make so much more than I that they are able to set some $$ aside for retirement - but I struggle to pay day to day bills & have pennies left over to try to save.

The middle class is disappearing.

I wish the leaders of our nation would do more to help us day to day. America seems to jump into everything from feed the needy, to freeing people in other nations, to whatever the battle cry may be... on our paychecks, at our expense. I wish we could concentrate more on the issues at home.

Sorry to ramble so.

The Government needs an overhaul & a wake up call.

Let the leaders of our great country try to live on a household budget of $40,000 a year, pay a mortgage, daycare for 2, healthcare, and everything else for a couple years. Maybe then they'll remember what the real world is like. (and I know there are others out there who do it for less - I'm just picking a figure.)

November 5, 2004
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There was a bunch of frat boys on the corner near my street waving an American flag with a big BUSH sign. I wanted to puke, or set up shop across the street with the flag upside-down like ships in distress do.

The problem is we willingly elect megalomaniacs to our governing bodies. I am so frustrated. My mind is boggled. My state was red of course, how could it not be with Jeb Bush as our repellant governor.

How can this be going on when so many people are so vocally opposed to the current system? Like Karl Marx predicted, our democratic process has turned into an oligarchy, rule by the elite, and they are completely divorced from the issues of their constituency.

We ARE on a fast track to rebellion.

November 5, 2004
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Abraham Lincoln, a Republican.

Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican.

They are both turning in their graves.

I firmly believe, Teddy would be having an earthly outburst for the disregard for environmental issues. What does disregard for the environment, say about someone, let alone a party?

Lincoln, the same for human rights.

Republicans of today, are not what they used to be.

Bush said he's moving forward with his agenda because the people have spoken, and those who don't support him, will be left behind.

I make these points, not to bring about more animosity, but to open awareness. I believe, that though a slight majority of folks support Bush, there is a low level of awareness. I'd like to open these threads, to more information, opinions, news articles, events, etc.

November 5, 2004
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Here are some interesting statistics.

It shows the average state IQ, and who they voted for. Blue is Dem, Red is Repub.

IQ by State

Yes, I have reinstituted use of html. Have for a couple days, no one noticed! 🙂

November 5, 2004
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I read something similar to that on the urban legend web page I vivst.

November 5, 2004
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I was under the impression that IQ is not been measured any more in the education systems. My IQ is higher than the avg. expressed and I am not quite sure what your point is SC?

All people who vote are low IQ?

November 5, 2004
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mj, it's just a spoof. I hope that I am allowed to post as a human being with real emotion sometimes, and not always a 'site coordinator'. I am hurt and angry - I apparently need more time than some people have, to come to grips with what I consider to be one of the biggest errors of judgment, press, humanity, international & domestic peace, honesty and environmentalism in World History.

I can't make sense of it. I will continue to look for solutions for the future/next election, but I'm so astonished by this vote and the American Republican platform shift, that I am without solution right now.

Please excuse me though, everyone, if I'm offending anyone by voicing my opinion. It's not an attack, it's my opinion.

November 5, 2004
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Hugs ((((((((SC))))))))))

November 5, 2004
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I remember when you posted the campaign information ..... I think you really tried to get information out on this site in advance.

I think that you did put your heart into educating others with information.

So why do you think the majority doesn't really invest in being informed?

November 5, 2004
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I was having a conversation with my mom last night. I said, you use to be a Democrat...
She says, "I still am".

She voted for Bush.

So why vote for Bush if you are a Democrat?

Because I don't trust Kerry.

How do you explain a stance Democratic voting for a Republican (She's 72)? She said because he lied.
She wouldn't vote for someone who lies about his war experience.

I saw on tv on CSpan about the book Kerry authored after the Viet Nam War. He was called a lier numerous times. It was stated that he injured himself and then applied for a purple heart.

I guess people listen to what they want.

November 5, 2004
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Yeah, like the people who staunchly believe the earth is flat, or that man never walked on the moon. It always shocks me when people think anybody and their brother can lie and get a purple heart (or three).

This really burns me. It sickens me to think to so many people are disregarding the purple heart and what it stands for

This is a site clearly outlining the requirements for earning a purple heart.

It just pisses me off. My Dad earned several purple hearts in his military career. He can't walk, can't hear, and is in constant pain - you CAN'T fake the injuries required to earn a purple heart. Poop on that.

People just hear what they want to hear. When you present them with clear evidence that they are wrong they just cover their ears and sing "lalalalaaaaa".

They're just jealous that Bush was such a shirker. neah.

November 5, 2004
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I am proud of our service women and men. I am proud of your fathers' purple heart. (((((((Cici)))))))))

November 5, 2004
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🙂 thanks MJ.

My sister's in-laws are fundamentalist Baptists - they actually have "scientific" videos that attempt to prove the earth is flat!!!

Ignorance is like a stubborn fungus.

November 5, 2004
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I still like the people that want "intelligent design" taught alongside evolution as an alternative explanation. Call it whatever you want. Creationism just doesn't belong in public schools.

November 6, 2004
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Why doesn't Creationism belong in public schools? Evolution is still a theory. So it is only fair to teach the theory of creation alongside it.

You should check out

http://www.answersingenesis.com

November 7, 2004
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Evolution is still a theory? You HAVE GOT to be kidding me! How do you explain the human embryo as having a tail in early development which then drops off? How do you explain the existance of a human appendix which is a "leftover" organ from the days when we used to digest raw meat? Give ME a break!!!!

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I like it when the intelligent design people try to explain the creation of the Grand Canyon as one great flood.

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