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The Jefferson Bible.
December 23, 2007
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"In an 1803 letter to Joseph Priestley, Jefferson states that he conceived the idea of writing his view of the "Christian System" in a conversation with Dr. Benjamin Rush during 1798–99. He proposes beginning with a review of the morals of the ancient philosophers, moving on to the ethics of the Jews, and concluding with the "principles of a pure deism" taught by Jesus, 'omitting the question of his deity.'...

Jefferson accomplished a more limited goal in 1804 with “The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth,” the predecessor to Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.[4] He described it in a letter to John Adams dated 13 October 1813:

"In extracting the pure principles which he taught, we should have to strip off the artificial vestments in which they have been muffled by priests, who have travestied them into various forms, as instruments of riches and power to themselves. We must dismiss the Platonists and Plotinists, the Stagyrites and Gamalielites, the Eclectics, the Gnostics and Scholastics, their essences and emanations, their logos and demiurges, aeons and daemons, male and female, with a long train of … or, shall I say at once, of nonsense. We must reduce our volume to the simple evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the amphibologisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves. There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man. I have performed this operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill. The result is an octavo of forty-six pages, of pure and unsophisticated doctrines."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible

December 23, 2007
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What is this for? Is this related to the esoteric thread?

December 23, 2007
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ROFL guest....

December 23, 2007
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Ok what if I started copying pasting bits of Wikipedia here without explaining why I found that stuff interesting and why I should share it with others.

December 23, 2007
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Yes, Guest, it is related to the Esoteric Christianity thread.

It refers to the "diamonds in a dunghill" method.

December 23, 2007
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Cant find the word diamonds in that thread, so you were pulling my leg. You'll be lucky if you get one reply on this thread.

December 23, 2007
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this is about looking at what is really said.

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Hi Guest.

Try ctrl-F, the "find" function

"by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill."

December 23, 2007
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Nah, I'm not interested.

December 23, 2007
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Well, Guest, you did ask "how do you know..."

December 23, 2007
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Mm no I didnt. Either way I'm not interested anymore in this topic.

December 23, 2007
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Why not?

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"WD... How do you know what I pointed out are distortions and lies, and the good teachings you know of, are not distortions and lies?"

Anyway, I approve of you losing interest in this topic--and I am confident that Jesus also approves.

December 23, 2007
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Mr. Jesus is a moron. Who cares if he approves or not? I have all the right to call him a moron since he said things like about me:

Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

Just in case if anyone protests about me calling him a moron. Dont call him Jesus. Call him Mr. Jesus otherwise it sustains the undeserved false holy air that has been lingering with his name for 2000 years.

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Ok WD, I didnt ask you to prove that the whole Bible was an accurate report. I asked you how you knew those specific bad teachings I pointed out (to which you turned a blind eye) were inaccurate reports. There's a difference, see?

December 24, 2007
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And I answered your question guest--

You use textual analysis to refute false attribution of authorship.

You use the diamond in a dungheap method to distinguish between one set of authors and another. Crap writing stands out from good stuff.

And finally, you use the "devils and pigs" method to exclude purely fictional material.

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Your rebuttal of the stupidity in the Bible cant consist of you giving a blanket statement saying that some of the Bible is fictiona.

It can consist of you dealing directly with that verse and say, proving that that certain verse was actually fictional. I know thats hard to do, so you made a nice try and found the closest thing possible. Sadly, it doesnt work that way.

That verse is still sitting in the Bible for me to use.

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You know what WD, you should do something good for humanity like testing sexual hormones on tadpoles, like you mentioned in your embassy thread. Seriously. I'm just someone on the internet. If you spend that much time dueling with someone anonymous over something about which you will never change your beliefs any way (Jesus, Bible), thats really sad. If you're a scientist, you should you know, do something more useful, seroiusly. Your testubes and petri dishes are gathering dust, instead of valuable stem cell research.

Is it even worth it for you, fighting over beliefs? You should have stopped yourself. Anyway, no one's perfect.

And actually, none of the stuff I've hurled at Christianity probably did any significant good either.

They did an experiment in Russia when they banned religion or something like that. It didnt work. What they should have done is target kids, when their brains are impressionable. Its useless to argue with adults on religion. They dont change. Frequently they become more hostile and resistant to change. They might soften or weaken, but its rare I would say.

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I asked you a question guest--are you going to answer?

Do you believe that Jesus actually caused 10,00 pigs to be possessed....by Devils?!

Boogaboogabooga!

Anyway, I make my living by doing research into cardiovascular disease (which is the most common cause of death in the developed world) and by training young researchers.

5 days a week. 8 hours a day.

December 24, 2007
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Thats good. ok. Well, thats what the verse said. Why should we believe otherwise?

December 24, 2007
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He drove the devils into the 2000 pigs, causing them to jump over a cliff and drown in the sea.

Have you forgotten that this is the same guy who claims he created the whole Universe and is God? Thats a small claim, compared to driving devils into 2000 pigs.

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