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The Ego. And why you don't send me flowers anymore.
July 21, 2008
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[The word "I" embodies the greatest error and the deepest truth, depending on how it is used. In conventional usage, it is not only one of the most frequently used words in the language (together with the related words: "me," "my," "mine," and "myself") but also one of the most misleading. In normal everyday usage, "I" embodies the primordial error, a misperception of who you are, an illusory sense of identity. This is ego.]

Ok, MsG, it just might be you and me on this thread, but I wanted to start one. ha

I'm almost done with this book and I've yet to see why we have to "deal" with this ego thing. But it's there and there is no denying it.

One thing that is a big part of being happy is realizing that we all have emotions that were not settled from the past. So we'll experience triggers all the time which sets off our unresolved emotions from the past.

Apparently just being AWARE of how we are feeling and that a trigger has been set off is enough to off-set the feeling of unhappiness.

I like that. I've tried it, and I'll be damned if it doesn't work. I'm a little exhausted.....ha......but it works.

The emphases of Presence.

July 21, 2008
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Hey Hep!

I just bought the book, "A New Earth" and I'm only on page 21.
The dialog merges with my inner beleif system perfectly.

I did know of Ekhart but the last few years a lot of my energy goes into being an entrepeneur. It can crowd out so many worthy things....
I've read alternative publications that have parrallel messages.

One was "Millenium Prophesies" from Stephen Skinner, Steven R. Covey ( not the same context but his win win philosophy of living goes along with being selfless and a need for elliminating power structures that victimize people) Carl Jung, to name a few.

So many other writers who may be revealed by other posters here.

Obviously the use of religious comparison is why discussing this belongs in Libs.

My stance has always been that the enlightenment phase becomes clouded when passed on through time and other messengers.
Due to the ego, and humans propensity to "madness" the msg becomes altered. Many religeous representatives use the msg of enlightenment to sustain and garner material things and followers. They also use the misconstrued word "sin", appealing to peoples self loathing, fear and shame, for an audience. The spiritual side of many speaches get lost when i see their motive is to gain some sort of power, wealth or land. If they are truly spiritual they shouldn't need investment, just shelter, food and the basic necessities.
All religions ( sermon for food and shelter) should function on a barter system and be removed from finance and material gain. IMO

The hypocracy abounds.

This is why I balk at organized religeonthat exhibit divisiveness. I prefer to seek out the source of the msg. in it's pure form, unfettered by the true motives of religious leaders.

To quote the first chapter: "The Flowering of human conciousness"

" Fear, Greed ,and the desire for power are the psychological motivating forces not only behind warfare and violence between nations, tribes, religions, and ideologies,but also the cause of incessant conflict in personal relationships. They bring out the distortion in your perception of other people and yourself. Through them you misinterpret every situation, leading to misguided action designed to rid you of fear and satisfy your need for more, a bottomless hole that can never be filled."

" It is important to realize, however, that fear, greed, and the desire for power are not the dysfunction that we are speaking of, but are themselves created by the dysfunction, which is the deep seated collective delusion that lies within the mind of each human being"....( we have good intentions but we fail in our efforts)........"without taking into account the blueprint for dysfunction that every human being carries within: the ego."

To address your comments on triggers.
The trigger aspect of navigating my recovery is also a problem.
Somehow i have found my way to an awareness , and my reactions aren't as pervasive and entrenched as they used to be.
You call it "presence". What gives me pause to my reactions is Objectivity. I aim to understand others before I react.(not always successfull at that, ;0/ )

Be Well!

July 30, 2008
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Hep....I'm holding the torch!HA!

the following is from Ekhart Tolles "A New Earth_ Awakening Your Lifes Purpose"

>>The Core Of Ego

Complaining and Resentment

Complaining is one of the ego's favourite strategies for strengthening itself.........Resentment is the emotion that goes with complaining and the mental labeling of people and adds even more energy to the ego.Resentment means to feel bitter, indignant,aggrieved or offeneded.You resent other peoples greed, their dishonesty, their lack of integrity, what they are doing,what they did in the past, what they said,what they failed to do, what they should or shouldn't have done.

The ego loves it.Instead of overlooking the unconcious in others, you make it into their identity. Who is doing that?The unconciousness in you, the ego.

Sometimes the "fault" you percieve in another isn't even there. It is a total misinterpretation, a projection by a mind conditioned to see enemies and to make itself right or superior.

At other times, the fault may be there, but by focusing on it, sometimes to the exclusion of everything else, you amplify it. And what you react to in another, you strengthen in yourself."

............." Your greates protection, however, is being concious ( this implies dismantling the ego) Somebody becomes an enemy if you personalize the unconciousness that is the ego.

Nonreaction is not weakness but strength. Another word for non reaction is forgiveness. To forgive is to overlook, or rather to look through.

You look through the EGO to the SANITY that is in every human being as is his or her essence."
What is stated here is the essnce of all spiritual thought before it becomes dogma and warped by the egos of it's representatives.

Personally My anti religeon stance is solidified with the comparative facts used within this book.

I made excuses for my anger, and resentlment.....but it doesn't take away from the fact, deep within, I recognized having an overactive ego was what was getting in my way.

Escaping the ego completely is pretty much impossible, but recognizing the fallout using ego based concepts, in dealing with problems, is at least a step, or several, in preventing further pain and suffering for myself and others.

July 30, 2008
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Amen, Sister!!!

H-gal

July 31, 2008
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Thanks MsG,

I'm too tired to write, and I have so many questions!

Hopefully tomorrow I can take that torch....

Hep

July 31, 2008
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It's ok Hep....I just think this is REALLY pertinant for AAC.

Even if poeple just read.

This book is right up my alley!

Be Well.

July 31, 2008
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(((H-Gal)))...I notice you always eccentuate the positive, and ignore the negative. You elude to it but never go into detail.
I so WISH I could do that NOW!!LOL

August 5, 2008
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Here's Tolle speaking.
He's kinda gentle, cute, funny, smart and a little "mad".LOL imo

This is about presence in relationships.
Becoming amnesiac of all past experience with others....in essence letting go of blame and pain, wrong and right.

September 15, 2008
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On this never ending quest for inner peace, and more effective ways to live I found Tolles writings to be comforting, and easy to relate.

There is one major flaw I've found though.
Since he professes that wealth, power and money are trappings of the ego, this does place him in a category to be criticized.

His writings have attracted great attention AND wealth!

After visiting his website i realized it was just a sales/marketing site.
There was absolutely no info, quotes, advice or any excerpts from his books for FREE!NOTHING! Just his biography, lists of his books, audio downloads, and public speaking schedules. All at a price.
There was a single free video of an interview he did, and there are a few others circulating on the web.

What I point out is what he has control over and that's his website.

Many authors, and self help gurus offer info, and extensive resources on the net at no charge. Offshoots for sold publications appear as free info on the net. Free info from the proceeds of book sales and public speaking.

Obviously this is an offshoot of success. Give a little back from the profits of selling books, magazines, lectures?

So far Ekhart has done none of that and it leaves me questioning his real motives here.

He doesn't appear to be so generous in spirit after all.

What is he doing with all his money? Surely someone who talks about being free of the modern trappings of greed isn't following his own credo. I would think he'ld be spilling out generosity through the net. I wonder what charities he is involved with and what percentage of his income he puts toward philanthropic efforts.

His website was a HUGE disappointment. Reminds me of "The Secret"...or a products site.

People are looking for ways to succeed in life, and i think these "gurus" are cashing in on others ignorance, and uncertainty to the extreme. In Canada we have a publication called The Annex, which advertises for conventions, and public speakers. Lot's of inspirational, self help, and profiteering lectures to see for $100 bucks or so.

Tolle is on the public speaking circuit. I would really love to see how he lives day to day, when at home. Glimpse into his chosen lifestyle, and see how generous he has become with his new found wealth.

One things for sure. I'm not buying any more of his books until I see him living what he's writing with his wallet! If it's his publisher and representatives that are running things he needs to take control and appear less capitalistic.

Am i being too pessimistic? or do i smell another predator in disguise?

September 17, 2008
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Hmmm, MsG. I'm not sure how Mr. Tolle lived before he became so popular.

As you know, I really like what he has to say. For some reason, I didn't get from his book (I've only read the one) really anything about money. I thought his emphasis had more to do with how to find peace with yourself and dealing with the ego.

I had a very good friend a few years ago who was/is a psychic. I mean she was phenominal (sp). She literally would save people's lives. She always read for free because she made her money elsewhere. She also for a time felt guilty if she did take money or presents and didn't think to much of the people that did charge. Then she realized that helping people is a service. And it takes a lot of time, effort and energy to provide a service like that. And that it's ok to charge for that. Not an exorbinate amount of money, but a fair price.

I mean how much is one of Tolle's books? I paid 14.00 for mine. I got a hell of a lot more out of my 14.00 then I get out of most things that cost a lot more.

So he's made a lot of money. Good for him! What he does with it will be his karma (good or bad). I suspect he's probably doing more then the general public knows about. Since he teaches about the ego, he's probably not going to let anyone in on what he does too much, lest he be accused of bragging. HA

Those who truly give from the heart are generally the ones who are the most mysterious.

September 17, 2008
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I have this dislike for the rich. Not all rich, but the uneven distribution of wealth and the type of person who gets wealthy by taking advantage of others.

My suspicians here are probably unfounded.

I've read almost 3/4 of the book and just haven't had enough down time to finish.
I end up playing a digital solitaire game to wind down for bed. Takes me about 10 minutes and I zonk out!HA!

I'll be so glad when this move is over. Just overwhelemed with the work at the new house, contracters, packing, and keeping the biz going.
((Hepburn))I appreciate you giving a respectful opposite and expanded view. I need that! Sometimes I think people don't want to oppose me because I may fly off , take it to another level.

You said you'ld like to discuss this book, and this new awakening more but get sidetracked. Boy can I relate!

When i'm coming and going from ONE house I hope to imbibe more of that awareness.

I hope your feeling better today (lnf) Hang in there. You're AWESOME!

Be Well!

September 18, 2008
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You definitely have a lot of balls in the air MsG! Actually, I'm a little surprised that you dredged this thread up again. ha

I'm not too crazy about most of the rich myself. Don't forget I work with a bunch of them. I've learned over the years that just because you have money doesn't mean you have class OR manners. I've found that most DON'T.

Anyway, I'd love to talk about his book some time when we both HAVE the time. ha

I am feeling better. Thanks for asking.

I hope you find some time to decompress!

Peace.

Hep

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