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July 21, 2008
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which means he's no more special, or wiser, than me or you.

Here's what I was thinking: behind the scenes I saw in the video, the translator was whispering to him and trying to explain a difficult question. At the end the moron said "I dont know".

His insights are probably copied from other places, or they were written down by former Dalai Lamas. His own advice is so trie:

- The basic purpose of human life is happiness (DUH)

- Lying, and Cheating, this I believe are basically against human nature (mmm, DUH again?)

- wisdom gradually overcomes ignorance (it might be "gradual" for you, Lama boy, but its pretty fast for me).

July 21, 2008
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trie = trite

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I LOVE Penn and Teller.

The Dalai? I knew of his past while ruling in Tibet, the hypocracy that surrounds him, and I don't see him as the embodiment of gentleness, truth and enlightenment.
Many people use China's actions to reason what is right or wrong and choose sides.

Both were wrong and it is the resulting struggle within Tibet that will decide the outcome.

(anyone check out what's going on in Beijing to prepair for the olympics? Misile launchers and the removal of street vendors in the city?.....How is it the olympics get's ok'd in a country whose politics are about suppression?)

Both countries leaders are not allowing full disclosure and use violence and poverty to control it's citizens.

I think Tibet is well served by taking the best of both worlds and starting a new.

July 21, 2008
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Tez your words meant so much to me. They echo in my mind. I've been sitting out by my pond meditating over them, will continue to do so, and it has brought some peace. I can't thank you enough.

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It seems self-defeating to choose to not ponder the thoughts and words of others based upon a judgement of the way they live their lives. Or the circumstances they exist within physically.

I think all people, whether we consider them criminal or not, which is culturally subjective, can impart wisdom to another.

I like this quote and it seems relevant here:

"The dreamer whose dreams are non-utilitarian has no place in this world. In this world the poet is anathema, the thinker a fool, the artist an escapist, the man of vision a criminal.”
Henry Miller quotes (American Author and Writer, 1891-1980)

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What exactly is special about Dalai Lama's words? 2) I'm very certain they're not his words. When you realize he's a sham inside, well. blah. I've said enough.

July 21, 2008
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Thank MsGuided, atleast I'm not the only one who realizes what Dalai Lama is about.

July 21, 2008
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free,

I like your quote too, and it is true I believe also. But at times, and here is another quote:

"If you don't stand for something you won't stand for anything."

I don't know who said that one, but I can see how this quote is relevant here as well.

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I agree that taking what you can from any experience, that which can offer wisdom or comfort, is the point.

Taking the insights the Dalai has, or any other person, whether they are origional or not, makes sense.

I see huge flaws in the Dalai as a person but not in some of the messages he puts forth.

Some of it seems overly simplistic and unobtainable.......I don't think our nature is to be completely happy....But to find balance as an outcome to a present experience.
To not dwell in anger, sadness, or fear on a consistent basis seems ok to me. These emotions arise as a reaction to danger/ threats and loss, so they are necessary. They are important since they remind people of their place, inner being, and present options therein.

The Dalai has lost Tibet yet does he deny his attachment? All of his campaigning is to regain what he once had, since he can't have it now, he spreads a message with good intentions to harness support for the message OR his return to power?

Yes I find him dualistic as a human being when i compair actions with words.

The world is not a safe place and I agree it is within the human psyche that some of the danger manifests.
Any nation or person that seeks war, or supresses its people with violence, or sanctions, for the sake of GREED, or unjustified gain, deserves to be questioned and challenged.
I can't control or influence the actions of our leaders ( who are all mentally deranged IMHO)

My question is How our psyche matches with the reality outside? I mean the essence of all living things, Not what humans have created. A lot of what we do becomes distorted. Where is the flaw in my interpretations that block my path and enlightenment?

So far our leaders, in religeon and government, are the furthest from the truth and they only create more conflict and suffering since their objective is to gain personal power.
This power elevates them above others and opens the door to corruption.

I get my inspiration and find answers from Nature and mostly from artists, writers, science, and poets.

Henry Miller also said:

"Any genuine philosophy leads to action and from action back again to wonder, to the enduring fact of mystery."
and this...

"No man is great enough or wise enough for any of us to surrender our destiny to. The only way in which anyone can lead us is to restore to us the belief in our own guidance."

Develop your own voice and follow it's message.

It seems our culture tries to stifle this development from an early age and seeks to make us all followers and happy serfs!

Love Henry Miller.

http://www.brainyquote.com/quo.....iller.html

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whoops!....

meant to say:

"If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything."

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This metaphor came to me about the difference between religion and spirituality.

People like Jesus and Buhda (and many others) come along every so often, and through their deeds and their words they stick a signpost in the ground which points in a certain direction.

The spiritual dimension within us urges us to head off searching in that direction. The religious dimension, especially the fundamentalist brand, urges us to stop and worship the signpost.

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"Sign, sign everywhere a sign, blocking out the scenery, breaking my mind, Do this, Don't do that, can't you read the sign." _ Five Man Electrical Band.

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Good thoughts, MsGuided!

>> Some of it seems overly simplistic and unobtainable

Yup, thats what it s exactly.

>> Taking the insights the Dalai has, or any other person, whether they are origional or not, makes sense.

For me, I cant take anyone seriously if I find that their integrity is not right. Although I'm real biased here. The problem is he's trying to defraud me. A serial killer could be in jail and say some good things and I could take those seroiusly, but not this guy. Not unless he admits he's a fraud etc. Oh well. There's enough wisdom in the world to act on, there's no shortage of that, so I'm not worried :.d Ha, its enough if I act on mine alone.

What do you mean by this?

>> My question is How our psyche matches with the reality outside? I mean the essence of all living things, Not what humans have created. A lot of what we do becomes distorted. Where is the flaw in my interpretations that block my path and enlightenment?

>> Develop your own voice and follow it's message.

>> It seems our culture tries to stifle this development from an early age and seeks to make us all followers and happy serfs!

Exactly true. Seeing creativity and autonomy in a person should be pleasing to see for anyone else. They want control because, when they are able to do that, they know that they're smart (which is true, because they couldnt couldnt make serfs out of people without being smarter than the serfs). Knowing that you're better than other people, makes a person feel very good.

Now thats science. They proved this in a survey.

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>> The spiritual dimension within us urges us to head off searching in that direction. The religious dimension, especially the fundamentalist brand, urges us to stop and worship the signpost.

Other free spirits and rebels like me, decide that there's nothing special in those signposts. Jesus and Buddha to me, is no special than my next door neighbour. The time factor puts these people in a mystery where the weak worship them and think they're superior.

I still dont get it, I know of so many people more mentally healthy than me who are believers in God and Church and what not. Ahhhhh. So its separate variable in life. It doesnt mean I'm better than them. Its a different dimension. However sometimes I know I'm better! yea! Hmm.. although that is debatable :.D

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Okay guest, find the flaw in this person (Twill be a challenge!)

Be faithful in small things because it is in them that your strength lies.
Mother Teresa

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To answer your question....I think the way we are conditioned is deeply flawed. Our need for material gain, and our distructive nature has way exceeded what is necessary for shared peace, prosperity and enlightenment.
Everyone has a different intelligence and skill level, but how we develop oursleves from an early age, through our education systems and family upbringing determines if people can be productive or just robots waiting for orders.
Ignorance is a tool for tyrants to harness mankind. Keep people poor and stupid then you can do with them what you want.

The flaws lay within our Ego's and the selfish nature of most humans.

How many people live within their means or buy into consumerism to the point they live for it! False security?

Most of us are doing what we're told rather than doing what is really right for us! We invest in the lie.

You said:
"Seeing creativity and autonomy in a person should be pleasing to see for anyone else. They want control because, when they are able to do that, they know that they're smart (which is true, because they couldnt couldnt make serfs out of people without being smarter than the serfs). Knowing that you're better than other people, makes a person feel very good."

However for the few that hold high places there are numerous who can take their place, or who's contributions are stifled, extracted without reward or killed off.
The forces of tyrany abound and we live in a world where some don't wish to see the majority excel or socialism get a grip on humanity.
The thing is we all bought into the lie of the industrial revolution/capitolism and have slowly given up our power. Our ability to create, and supply sustanance for ourselves.

One way the capitalist agenda has harnessed human abilities is to take away land from the poor farming communities. Land is wealth and control. Without land people are left totally vulnerable to the wims of their governement and corporations.
This happened in Mexico with the US , Canada free trade pact. Millions were displaced from their lands voluntarily( where they were poor but not starving, able to farm and barter) with the promise of jobs near and in the city. Most are
living in slums on the outskirts, unable to feed themselves or get clean water.
They were essentially stripped of any options whatsoever to survive traditionally.

This is one article , but the source of my info I found in the nineties and haven't got a reference for that now.

http://www.globalexchange.org/...../3459.html

Why do we live in a world where people are systematically being stripped of their land, jobs, rights and dignity for the benefit of very few? For excessive wealth and power. It is a sickness!
Question authrority is my adage.

For now I think it's best I stop invading Tez's thread.
It's turned adversarial to the title, minus the name calling,hehe.

Sorry Tez.

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"I still dont get it, I know of so many people more mentally healthy than me who are believers in God and Church and what not. Ahhhhh. So its separate variable in life. It doesnt mean I'm better than them. Its a different dimension. However sometimes I know I'm better! yea! Hmm.. although that is debatable :.D "

Guest, Mate, why not sit peacefully with the confusion embedded in this paragraph you wrote? This is what many of us in here are trying to do; find our way through the puzzle. There is no shame in admitting that we are deeply confused by the mystery of it all.

However, we sometimes get this shaft of light that appears to make sense to us and above all gives us the courage to go forward. Please respect this form of healing magic which is so important to our recovery.

If it does not float your boat, that is cool. However, your overgeneralised critiques do not really have much relevance to the specific problems that we bring to this place.

If people are finding comfort in here, why not let it be, and perhaps work a little more overtly on your own stuff?

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G_Dude! my infidel, my love. Here is the answer.

July 22, 2008
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On the 21-Jul-08 you wrote:

"I don't think Buddha ever intended for this to become a religion but man made it so. Let me ask you this though: What would a murderer have to do?"

Milpera was such murderer who attained enlightenment in one lifetime. Look up his life story, transgressions and redemption on the internet.

If you want me to be more specific, I would have to point out that genuine Buddhists fear causes more so than consequences - for it is the causes for which they are responsible that generate the consequences that they themselves as well as others suffer.

Firstly a murderer ought to consider the laws of karma; that is, the ramifications(great suffering) of actions for himself/herself and his/her victims.

Secondly he/she should repent and vow to undertake the necessary study and practice so necessary to subduing his/her out of control mind(causes) that resulted in his/her murderous actions(consequences).

Thirdly out of compassion for himself/herself and the relatives of the murder victim(s) and showing genuine contriteness, he/she should seek forgiveness from the victim's relatives, offering them the chance to express their grief to him/her.

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On the 21-Jul-08 you wrote:

Tez your words meant so much to me. ... ... I can't thank you enough.

Thanks for your thanks.

May you have peace and happiness in your life. May your grief and sorrow be uprooted and borne away by your ever growing compassion for other grieving beings and by your ever deepening realisation that all separations are ultimately illusions.

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lolll Bevdee that was too funny. Omg. Total random nonsense, now thats what we need. Hm. Chu chu shoe!

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The INSIGHT From the Dalai Lama for WEDSDAY, July 23 2008.

I believe the most important element for peace of mind is human compassion.

July 22, 2008
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free, why? I never said Mother T was bad and neither did Pen and Teller. They were talking about Lama

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>> I believe the most important element for peace of mind is human compassion.

Compassion ah yes, the same used to eye gouge the poor serfs in Tibet back then.

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MsGuided.

On the 21-Jul-08 you wrote:

"For now I think it's best I stop invading Tez's thread. It's turned adversarial to the title, minus the name calling,hehe. Sorry Tez."

Please don't go. I love reading your contributions.

Please don't apologize to me. You have not said or done anything at all to me that would warrant saying you are sorry.

Keep coming here.

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