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July 17, 2008
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Hi guest_guest, i'll look for those ex's. tomorrow for you. Just keep in mind that is my perception and not necessarily true though. But yep you are right about some of your past posts, I remember when I first came to this site and went to the Libs section for the first time and you and Tez were dialoguing back and forth. I was intimidated by you, Tez and WD, but I posted anyway. I don't remember that one, but would be fun to go back and take a look! 🙂

My thread on the Support side is titled, "Mamac, Ma Strong, Giggles, anyone".

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hmmm not those posts, even before, around the year 2000. I'll check again, i think it was 2000 or something

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an example...

I'm not sure guest.

Maybe the love I have for my students? I care deeply about them, many I keep in touch with long after they graduate. But I know my time with them is short, and so I don't grieve when they leave.

Regarding all this stuff that you're posting about the Dalai Lama, what exactly is your point?

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My point was that Lama is a crook and a fraud. His "peaceful" and wise image in the world, is not so peaceful and wise in reality.

The love you have for your students? Is it really love? Isnt it just respect?

Without using the word attachment: whats the difference between what you feel for your students, verses your real loved ones?

July 18, 2008
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The INSIGHT From the Dalai Lama for FRIDAY, July 18 2008.

"According to Buddhist philosophy, happiness is the result of an enlightened mind, whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind. This is very important. A distorted mind, in contrast to an enlightened mind, is one that is not in tune with reality."

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On the 17-Jul-08 you wrote:

"The unexpected, non-anticipated, surprise loss, is where the suffering comes from.

yes?"

Yes. For a loss to be unexpected, unconsciously, our thinking must be that some things in this world are permanent and unchanging. Even though we know on one level that everyone born must die, yet on another level we expect that our loved ones will always be there for us.

We paint our fences in the vain hope of preventing change in the form of weathering and decay from happening. I've just finished painting my humungous 2 metre high by a zillion millimetres long fence. Phew!!

We struggle against the aging process by undertaking all forms of beauty treatments. Then one day the realization of our aging is forced on us, much to our anguish.

Two things are indesputable facts. They are:

1. Everything that arises, abides and then diminishes and decays away into another form. That is, everything in this universe is impermanent, even our own sun.

2. Everything is empty of any real unique essence or self-nature. That is, everything in this universe is dependent upon something else. Interdependency(interbeing) is the underlying principle in the universe.

Suffering comes from attachments that are based upon delusions of both permanency and the existence of an independent, indivisible self that underpins, and possesses our body, brain, our mind, our loved ones, our network of friends and associates and all of our life enhancing and supporting property.

July 18, 2008
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Whats your response to the mountains of proof I gave here about Dalai Lama being a ___ ?

Did you watch Penn and Teller's video?

Copy paste into browser:

July 18, 2008
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"I'm not going to fall into a trap" - not a valid response.

Someone objective would look at this, Tez, this is very important. Watch that video. This is a guy you respect a lot. Watch it.

July 18, 2008
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Here's my own thought of the day:

Progress happens when you're ok with some temporary discomfort in your mind.

Be open to discomfort and a conflicting painful state of mind. If you let the discomfort stay, you can work through it and achieve resolution. You'll end up being better off that you were.

If you avoid discomfort by not thinking about things, you'll stay where you are.

July 18, 2008
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The INSIGHT From the Guest Guest for FRIDAY, July 18 2008.

"If one is having difficulty in deciding whether to cough or sneeze first, just cough first. If you follow life alphabetically, it will work out. Sometimes though you have to sneeze first, so I dont know. WHATEVER."

July 18, 2008
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The INSIGHT From the Guest Guest for SATURDAY, July 19 2008.

"Once while on my journey to meditating in the Mountains, I was faced with a difficult obstable. I had to tie my showlaces but I also wanted to scratch my elbow. I meditated for 3 full days on water alone and found the answer. Tying the shoelaces first would make sure that I would not fall down while scratching my elbow. However sometimes if you tie showlaces with an itchy elbox, you will not be able to tie them properly.

Just scratch the god damn elbow quickly and bring an end to your suffering."

July 18, 2008
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Now for something serious.....

Enlighenment is when you dont feel the need to achieve any.

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>> Suffering comes from attachments that are based upon delusions of both permanency and the existence of an independent, indivisible self that underpins, and possesses our body, brain, our mind, our loved ones, our network of friends and associates and all of our life enhancing and supporting property.

What exactly is this suffering Mr. Gyatso (Dalai Lama) is talking about?

Gyatso? I wanna call him.. SoGay.

Mr Sogay. its also easier to write.

Seriously though, what is this "suffering" which Mr. SoGay is teaching us to run away from?

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Ok from the net, I got some info

Suffering (or unsatisfactoriness) can be distinguished in three types:
1. Suffering of suffering: this refers to the most obvious aspects like pain, fear and mental distress.
2. Suffering of change: refers to the problems that change brings, like joy disappears, nothing stays, decay and death.
3. All-pervasive suffering: this is the most difficult to understand aspect, it refers to the fact that we always have the potential to suffer or can get into problematic situations. Even death is not a solution in Buddhist philosophy, as we will simply find ourselves being reborn in a different body, which will also experience problems.

>> The essence of life is suffering, said the Buddha.

I'd say the cheese cracker (real word censored) can speak for himself. Life may be a suffering for him, but not for me.

I cannot tell you how infinitely sad I feel to think about dying one day. Most of the time life is like a gazzilion rollercoasters which I can ride. I can ride only one of them at a time. Thats how I feel. There's so much to do, to be fascinated about, to learn, to experience and have fun with.

I'm not perfect, I dont feel happy all the time or something, far from that. BUT I cannot think of seeing life as "suffering". Its wonderful. If I had an infinite life, I would improve so much (but this idea is in conflict with my other theory that we cant change, but thats another issue).

Look at this pessimism on Buddhist philosophy:

"Suffering is a big word in Buddhist thought. It is a key term and it should be thoroughly understood. The Pali word is dukkha, and it does not just mean the agony of the body. It means that deep subtle sense of unsatisfactoriness which is a part of every mind moment and which results directly from the mental treadmill. The essence of life is suffering, said the Buddha. At first glance this seems exceedingly morbid and pessimistic. It even seems untrue. After all, there are plenty of times when we are happy. Aren't there. No, there are not. It just seems that way. Take any moment when you feel really fulfilled and examine it closely. Down under the joy, you will find that subtle, all-pervasive undercurrent of tension, that no matter how great this moment is, it is going to end. No matter how much you just gained, you are either going to lose some of it or spend the rest of your days guarding what you have got and scheming how to get more. And in the end, you are going to die. In the end, you lose everything. It is all transitory."
Henepola Gunaratana, from 'Mindfulness in Plain English'.

He says that under every feeling of joy, there's "all-pervasive undercurrent of tension"

Well, thats HIS way of looking at things. Maybe there's joy hidden under all things in life. Why not look at things positively?

Very pessimistic.

This is someone creating a problem (there's suffering) and then a solution. All because Buddha's life was full of suffering and pain and anxiety. He'd be my friend, I'd have taught him to relax and chill.

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guest_guest,

Are you saying through all of your posts above that you and possibly others are incapable of achieving everything the Dalai Lama says? That simply getting through a day is success to some people?

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The first line? Not at all, I'm not saying that. Far from that. I'm saying he's a quack, a charlatan, a fraud with a show for the public.

How can we even trust this guy when people have exposed him for the evils he has done. Under his rule, there was a lot of torture going on Tibet. How can I take seriously anything he says, when he's a crook inside?

Professors and other sane people are criticising him very strongly. The whole Lama class, how the rich priests enslaved the lower class etc. Gory punishments for being a slave that showed resistance.

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guest_guest,
I copied and pasted some of what you said below here. Thought maybe you were speaking about yourself, instead of just against the Dalai Lama. I would think that some things are just not easy to obtain. So in that respect, what does one do? Are they counted as being less than someone else who has obtained, or does it not matter? I agree with you though. A person's actions come from the heart. If their heart says one thing yet they act out another, it is difficult to trust that person, especially if they are in a position of leadership or teaching, or example.

"Now for something serious.....

Enlighenment is when you dont feel the need to achieve any. "

"Here's my own thought of the day:

Progress happens when you're ok with some temporary discomfort in your mind.

Be open to discomfort and a conflicting painful state of mind. If you let the discomfort stay, you can work through it and achieve resolution. You'll end up being better off that you were.

If you avoid discomfort by not thinking about things, you'll stay where you are. "

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http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth

Who's this guy who wrote this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.....el_Parenti

Michael Parenti (born 1933) is an American political scientist, historian, and media critic.

"Parenti received his Ph.D. in political science from Yale University and has taught at several universities, colleges, and other institutions. He is the author of twenty books and many more articles. His works have been translated into at least eighteen languages.[1] Parenti lectures frequently throughout the United States and abroad. His book, The Assassination of Julius Caesar, A People's History of Ancient Rome,[2] was selected as a Book of the Year for 2004[3] by Online Review of Books and Current Affairs.[4] He is the father of author and The Nation magazine contributor Christian Parenti."

There are people in this world who are born in misery and are unable to get out of it. What the bad ones from that group do is, keep everyone else down. This is what he's about.

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"In the Da-Lai La Ma's Tibet, torture and mutilation -- including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation of arms and legs -- were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, runaway serfs, and other "criminals."

Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsering Wangdui, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: "When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion."

Some Western visitors to Old Tibet remarked on the number of amputees to be seen. Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then "left to God" in the freezing night to die. "The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking," concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet.

Some monasteries had their own private prisons, reports Anna Louise Strong. In 1959, she visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, and breaking off hands.

Theocratic despotism had been the rule for generations. An English visitor to Tibet in 1895, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the Tibetan people were under the "intolerable tyranny of monks" and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Da Lai La Ma's rule as "an engine of oppression" and "a barrier to all human improvement."

At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. O'Connor, observed that "the great landowners and the priests . . . exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal," while the people are "oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft the world has ever seen." Tibetan rulers, like those of Europe during the Middle Ages, "forged innumerable weapons of servitude, invented degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition" among the common people.

In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, "The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them, nor do laymen take part in or even attend the monastery services. The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth."

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Listing all names who noticed that there were horrible things going on in Tibet all the time:

  • Spencer Chapman
  • Captain W.F.T. O'Connor
  • Dr. A. L. Waddell
  • Anna Louise Strong
  • Tom Grunfeld
  • Stuart and Roma Gelder

And last but not the least, Michael Parenti.

These are educated people or visitors who actually went to Tibet.

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hi OMW, can you give an example of these things?

>> I would think that some things are just not easy to obtain. So in that respect, what does one do? Are they counted as being less than someone else who has obtained, or does it not matter?

Do you mean things like, peace of mind, personal satisfaction and self-esteem, confidence and enthusiasm about things in daily life?

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The fact that Dalai Lama allowed slavery to exist (just like Muhammad), people talk about it _all_ over the internet.

http://www.google.com/search?q.....38;oe=utf8

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People like Tez hate Muhammad and Jesus but turn a blind eye to the fact that their own cherished leader, the Dalai Lama is a crook. Slavery, oppression, torture, etc.

Be blind Tez. They're like you. They want to keep other people feeling stupid. If you ask them what's englightenment, they'll not answer. They'll say "you have to get it on your own".

Thats the class of people who since cant feel better on their own, will subconciously keep other's from progressing. I have personally witnessed this from you Tez, in a lot of advice you've given me. You didnt do it on purpose. It was subconcious.

Thats one way of these people feeling better about themselves. Its science. We feel happy only if we see we're doing better than our neighbour. I forgot the survey but this was a real scientific study that established this. We get "happy" hormones when we see we're better than our neighbour.

The Lama class (include this 14th one), falls under the same class. Keep others down, torture them. If you cant do that, tell others of non-tangible ill-defined fake things that they can never achieve (englightenment, nirvana).

And when people ask you what englightenment is, give an even more obscure answer so the seeker is further away from achieving peace. Keep people in a wild goose chase and keep them stuck in the misery they are of feeling they're not enough, and feel good about the mud they're in.

The "getting rid of all suffering", englightement and Nirvana are the corner stones of Buddhist philosophy. Its all what the religion is about. Do scientists have any proof that these terms even exist? Nope. No surveys, no studies, no proof.

Ahhhhhh. Its 2008 and what do you know.. Muhamad is back, in the shape of the Dalai Lama. Everything single line he says is simple commonsense, puffed with big words and a big ego. for example:

>> "Although meditation can sometimes mean sitting in a particular formal posture and stilling the mind, it can also include continuously familiarizing ourselves with positive thoughts. This is where we regularly read and recite the texts of scriptures and prayers."

Ok, meditation is fine. Science has proved that. Think positive thoughts? Duh. Who doesnt know that? Regularly recite the texts of scriptures and prayers? Like what? What kind of prayer, and to who? Who's going to listen to the prayer? Where's the science now?

Keep people in mental slavery. Tell them they're not enough.

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You make me laugh! in a good way!

Can I give you examples? I think you just gave examples. Good grief, all that work to be enlightened to have your arm chopped off? And people complain about God?! Excuse my language here, but WTF??

From what I have learned from your posts above, and I read them all, is that if one can obtain levels of enlightenment then it is cool. They then become too impatient for those who have not obtained the same? Do they stay with those "on their level"? Are they inclined to help those who have not obtained if they are not a teacher? It sounds like a caste system, I could be wrong about that, but it seems that way to me from these posts.

See this is the whole thing. Dalai Lama says, "Do this, do that to become this", and then if you cannot, then you fail? What happens next?

God says, "Hey I created you guys. I know how your heart and mind works. Bring the computer to the computer manufacturer, don't take it to a refrigerator store! I gave ya the 10 commandments so you would be able to SEE you couldn't do it, so it would point you to me. I sent Jesus to give you the HOly SPirit to LIVE INSIDE of you to help you do these things that the Dalai Lama speaks of, which some stuff he stole from me and Jesus! I give teh power to be your best self, so if you fail, I am right there to help you stand back up. And everyone will love you anyway, because I love you anyway. Cut off an arm??? I didn't tell that guy to cut of those people's arms!!!"........

I am amazed. It isn't that peace of mind is not easy to obtain. It is just that a mere man cannot give anyone peace of mind. You can work for it, work your butt of for it, and you may be told that "you just don't get it"..which is ok, but when I don't get something? I pray about it. Like I needed $15,000 in 3 weeks for a very serious situation. I asked others to pray with me...there was no way I could get that on my own, my job certainly does not pay me that much....in 3 weeks, I had the $15,000 to use it for what I needed it for.

I have poor self- esteem at times, I have fear, and I have hang-ups like everyone else. But I pray and I do have peace of mind, because God has shown me in the big and small things that he will answer my prayers. I know that he will work out in me, what I ask of him....without gouging out my eye if I fail. I know that is the old law, but still!!!

Scary.

So different belief systems yield different results for each individual. I work to be better but the burden is on God, not me.

I think you have some good thoughts here. I think you know your stuff. I think you see real gaps in what you have written.

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whoops...

I meant to say "I think you see real gaps in the information that is presented about the Dalai", not in what YOU wrote! 🙂

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A caste system, exactly! Nice way to put it.

>> They then become too impatient for those who have not obtained the same?

Yup. Impatient or rather more, they view them as "stupid", foolish. "Not enlightened enough" is just a nicer way of saying "dumb".

right.. Englightned my butt. First the Lama boy or any of his admirers have to respond to the allegations of oppressions in the regimes of these people. I have nothing but disgust for this Dalai Lama.

>> you may be told that "you just don't get it"

I have been told this, multiple number of times by Tez. :.o Right here, its happening right here in front of our eyes. Still THEY cant see what they're about. How is their life happier than mine? Is Lama boy a happy person? He doesnt look like one to me. See any of his interviews and gauge his level of anxiety. Honestly.. its simply amazing how he has duped the masses. The same masses who think they're better than Christians or Muslims or what not.

Yup, you have your own way of seeing things from the Christian viewpoint, if it works for you, then thats good.

About the eye gouging, ah.. you know stuff is mentioned in the Bible too, that is equally bad. "stone the kids", e.g.

But its ok, I understand christianity is dear to you.

But OMW, good points or not.. all I know is that, yup, sane people, from all over the world have said bad things about Tibet and the Dalai Lama. Doesnt go well.

AND, you have right here, Tez, who refuses to respond. Says he doesnt wanna fall for my trap. What trap? The trap that asks for evidence of these reports being false? Nope, ignore it, turn a blind eye and hope it will disappear.

Thanks to the internet. The internet has really cracked down on faith systems. It has helped inseminate information everywhere.

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Well, not to judge Tez, but I don't see that what you say is a trap. It would engage him in an argument, and maybe he does not want to put energy into that, and is stepping back with a mind set of, 'ok, everyone can believe what they want to believe.'
I know sometimes I just do not argue Christianity anymore. I don't want to engage in conversations that I know won't make a difference...but there again, I don't do that because I think another is too stupid to 'get it', I just have to respect another's belief system. So I don't put my energy there. But to not engage because one is 'lower' on the totem pole than another is just disrespectful. So maybe ask him why he chooses to see your writings as a trap for him? Just a suggestion IF you want to go there!

Yep, the internet sure says it all doesn't it?

And thank you for respecting my beliefs. I respect yours too. You are not less than I, nor I less than you!

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