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Terriberry Discussion from support side
March 5, 2009
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Cary,

Who are you to say, that what I belief is unacceptable? In who's eyes yours?

I will only bow down to Jesus Christ.

Arent what you are doing is dangerous and unacceptable for those that are truely GOD fearing to be confused by somebody who claims to know it all ?
All in name of human rights.
We have the right to disagree on this.
We need to respect that differnce that is the whole point you are trying to make?

March 5, 2009
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TB,
I don't know if you're comfortable talking anymore. But I have been thinking about something, because you said that you were homosexual at least at one time. I was wondering what made you decide that it was wrong?

Suffering is real. I don't know why we suffer. But I am certain that we do not suffer as punishment for sin. God proved that. He came to this earth, lived the only life free from sin, and suffered the greatest pain ever. I guess what I am trying to say is, that I hope you did not decide that being gay was wrong because of pain. I hope you did not feel that God was punishing you.

My love to you.

March 5, 2009
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Soofoo,

No, I do not feel that GOD was punishing me.

To answer your question is was a conviction, from GOD,that is all I will say reguarding it.

As I will only lead to futher attacks, from those who simply dont understand.

My love and prayers to you also.

March 5, 2009
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Terryberry- You wrote this thread to spew your venom about gays. What is your point? To single any group out on this site based on race, creed, color, national origin or sexual orienatation is bang out of order.

Being gay is not dangerous. But being a bigot is. It could land you in jail, fired from a job, or get you sued.

March 5, 2009
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Destiny,

Whoa tiger!

I started this thread in response to a discussion on the support side, not Terriberry.

Although I disagree with TB, he is not venomous, and was honestly trying to help the person on the support thread.

March 6, 2009
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How is making a statement that homosexuality is a sin helping anyone? Least of all homosexuals? Instead of speaking for God, Jesus or anyone else why dont people come here and speak for themselves? I dont buy the BS and neither does a court of law that God, Jesus or the Bible make people say and do anything. It is nonsense. People are responsible for the words they choose to use.

Maybe statements defaming gays is music to your ears but it sounds venomous to me.

I dont endorse anything that discriminates.

Bigotry in the name of the bible or anything else is still bigotry.

March 6, 2009
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I cant change bigots or homophobics or anyone that encourages or endorses such things. But I can scream and shout so people like that dont change me!

March 6, 2009
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Soofoo and Terri,

Terri, you feel attacked and say things like, "Who are you to say, that what I belief is unacceptable? In who's eyes yours?" And to answer that, YES I say it is unacceptable because it is wrong and dangerous thinking. Hitler believed that the Jews were wrong, so he had them gassed. Lazy white folks needed someone to do their labor, so they enslaved the Nation of Africa, I could go on.

If you don't want to have sex with the gender that you are actually attracted to, then DON'T. You can be another Ted Haggard and involve a wife and family and then when you can no longer live the lie, cheat and have affairs.

My point is; You do not have a "RIGHT" to walk around in a country that has prided itself on Freedom and say things that invite a groundswell of hatred. The KLAN (KKK) would say the exact things you say about black folks.

If you want to be miserable a liar then keep that to yourself.... GOD knows what and who you are and you aren't fooling anyone.

Soofoo,

I appreciate your love and kindness, but you can't love hate and self loathing away. Terri will have to decide to love her/his self first and stop blaming problems on sexuality.

Cary

March 6, 2009
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Destinystar, it is only because of people speaking up against this kind of religious persecution that any of us have any rights. If no one ever voices a different opinion then it is the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. It's been a long fight for many groups of people. The religious "right" would LOVE to gain there influence back, but as long as there are people like you aand others on this site, plus people in the world that are brave enough to stand up and say NO mabe it wont happen. We have to speak out against this kind of intolerance rhetoric.

March 6, 2009
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well done, TB.

If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 1 Peter 4:4

grace and peace

March 6, 2009
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Thanks Bereft,

I appericate the kind words.

GOD'S best to you.

March 6, 2009
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Tb,

I haven't responded to any of the post here since I recommended reading or watching the movie "A Prayer for Bobby" because I was a little shocked to tell you the truth. I am a Christian women, married to the same man now for 31 years, and I'll tell you honestly TB my feelings were hurt as a Christian that you said some of the things you did.... I'm only kindly saying this to you, because I feel that you may not understand the unconditional love our father has for ALL of his children.

I didn't see the movie as projecting anything but deep love and eventually understanding from Bobby's family, and the difficult times so many gay people face everyday by people passing judgement, even Bobby's mother passed judgement.. I don't think it is just me as a Christian women when I say, when two people love each other it doesn't matter what gender they are in God's eyes, if a woman loves another women or a man loves a man, I truly believe with my whole heart that God loves and cares for all of us equally... you, me, Cary, Soofoo, and everyone else.

Healing and Peace

March 7, 2009
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I hope I do not get attacked, but I do not think homosexuality is ok. That is my belief. I will not force my opinion on you. But I also don't agree with your beliefs. I feel that is my right.

As you also have the right to believe as you see fit. As far as if it is a sin, I will leave that up to God. And I will treat each human as a child of God. But I do not feel I have to accept homosexuality.

So when the gay community insist that I agree with their beliefs it makes me feel like screaming "quit trying to force your beliefs on me and my children." Isn't that the same request you want? So what makes it wrong for me to want my rights respected also? My right to say no, I do not agree it is ok to be homosexual. Aren't you asking for a similar right when you insist that heterosexuality is not ok for you?

Why does that translate into a personal attack on an individual?

March 7, 2009
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Are heterosexual marriages outlawed in most states?

How long did it take for homosexuals to be able to openly enlist in the military? Women could before gays could. Teach wtihout fear of losing the job if their secret was discovered? The majority of government is run by heterosexuals. When laws are made to specifically exclude human beings from marriage, armed services, whatever, then that is discrimination. Whether I agree with the lifestyle or not is irrelevant. I think what Caraway and Free2choose are objecting to is discrimination based on sexual preference. Why are the laws against the human rights of gays so slow to be repealed or changed?

If we teach our children that the way they were born is "wrong", perhaps to fear it, doesn't that perpetuate the thinking that led to the discrimination in the first place? If we teach children that the way a person is born is wrong, is that any different than racism? Sexism?

I don't agree with the lifestyles of drug users and alcoholics, convicted wife (or husband) beaters, child abusers, but there are no laws to prohibit them from marrying, are there? IMO, there oughta be- those people do much more damage to children than letting homosexuals have the rights others are given just because they are born the way they are.

Soofoo brought up a good point about the word sodomy in the bible. I did not know that. I looked it up and here is one definition.

http://dictionary.reference.co.....?qsrc=2888

sod·om·y

"n. Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality."

"held to be"- it wasn't held to be in ancient civilisations. It isn't now in some other countries. I know that in some states, felatio is considered to be "sodomy". And I know of some people that consider oral sex to be abnormal because the act does not directly cause procreation.

March 7, 2009
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"So when the gay community insist that I agree with their beliefs it makes me feel like screaming "quit trying to force your beliefs on me and my children." Isn't that the same request you want? So what makes it wrong for me to want my rights respected also? My right to say no, I do not agree it is ok to be homosexual."

Do you expose your children to viewpoints and beliefs different than your own? Or just teach them yours? Most children carry the beliefs that their parents instilled in them.

So when one of your kids realizes he or she likes their own sex better than the opposite, will they be miserable because they know you do not approve? Will they shrink in fear of being honest? Fear your condemnation of how they were born? Lots of folks do.

March 7, 2009
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Bevdee,

I agree with what you posted, it is truly sad to know that some people may attempt to teach their children that homosexualality is wrong.... because it is teaching them to judge others.

To me it would be the same as teaching them that being black, red, yellow, or white is wrong. How is teaching a child love and kindness, and excepting people for whom they are wrong... None of my children are gay but they all have mutual friends that are, one of my daughter's has a friend that is gay, and I'll tell you their is no differance in him as a true friend to her then her close friends that are not gay...he would be there in a heart beat if she ever needed him, he is one of her dearest friends... If I would have tried to teach my children or instill in them that being gay is wrong, to me it would have been the same thing as teaching them or instilling racism.... Each one of my children have had at one time or another had gay teacher's throughout their years in school, and to me that helped them see a group of people the same as they are no matter if they are gay or striaght.

How can anyone possibly judge another for whom they were created to be, gay or straight? I don't get it, the gay people that I know all at one time or another told me that they always knew they were gay, and they feel they were born this way.. So how could I ever care any less about a person that is gay. I truly believe they were born this way, and their belief in God is just as strong as mine is, so whom am I to judge anyone at all for being gay, or to say they are less of a Christian then those that aren't gay.... I feel that some people do not understand the paribles as they were written and some people percieve them one way and others another way, which contributes to this whole idea that gay people are living a life of sin. I do not understand that parable in the Bible as stating that loving the same sex as being a sin at all, I also understand the bible to say clearly do not cast judgement onto others, and Love your neighbor as you love yourself, and this means all of us, we are all neighbors.

I do not know of a one gay person that has ever isisted I believe what they believe or pushed their beliefs on others, but I've met many straight people that do attempt to push their own beliefs on others.

March 7, 2009
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HEY BEV!!! FYI... gays can STILL not serve openly in the military. US has "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Thousands of US soldiers have been discharged because they are gay. Worse yet, some hav even been raped, beaten and murdered.

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Healing,

You said you've never met a gay person who pushed their beliefs on other.

As a gay person I have to say, there was a time that I was MILITANT aboutmy sexuality and did often try to force people, through anger or debate, to "see things my way".

I have since learned that arguing with people who truly believe homosexuality is wrongand sinfull only hurts me! So I have tried to avoid spewing angey tirades at them and instead often attepmt to simply talk to them, tell my story, and keep insisting, gently but passionately, that gay people are human beings, needing NOT approval, but at the very very least, dignity and respect.

SO THEY SAY...

Of course you have a right to your opinions and beliefs. Everyone does. I would just like to sayone thing, not in a spirit of attack, but to aid in understanding...

You said you do not think homosexuality is "OK".

To a gay person, that would be equivalent to someone saying, "I don't think being black, or female, or Latino is ok."

Most people who are gay feel they have no more choice over their sexual orientation than they do over the color of thier skin.

And for a religious person, or a non-gay person to say, "No, I believe it's a choice." Is absolutly ridiculous and highly condescending. I mean, how the heck do they know, are they gay? How can they sayit's a choice when they have NEVER been in my shoes.

Homosexuality is not an agenda. It's not a theory or concept. Its not a "HOT BUTTON ISSUE".

PEOPLE are homosexual. HUMAN beings are gay and lesbian. We are not issues, or case studies, we are PEOPLE.

That is why it is so very offensive and so very hertful when people who do not understand judge "the SIN of homosexuality". They take away our HUMANITY.

March 7, 2009
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Healing and Peace, bevdee, thanks for giving your opinions. It's always good to consider other's thoughts.

Now I understand my own position a little better. I don't feel homosexuality is the same as being born of a certain race, etc..

How many pedophiles say they are just born that way. Should we celebrate their sexual preferences? Should we let them marry their young "loves" because they were born that way? Because that is who they are?

Yes, we still need to treat pedophiles as children of God without condoning their sexual preferences.

No, I never teach my kids to condemn or judge anyone. Period! I do however teach them to discern right and wrong for themselves. I expect them to stand up for what they believe. But that never gives them the right to hate, feel superior etc..

I think it is sad that people can't talk honesty about this issue without name calling and Bible thumping.

Not approving of homosexuality does not cause me to care less for anybody. It doesn't make me a racist or intolerant.

"Why are the laws against the human rights of gays so slow to be repealed or changed?"

Are gays humans rights thought to be denied because they can't act upon their sexual preferences such as same sex marriage or because they can't openly express who they really are?

Being heterosexual is not who I am. It is something I do. Yes, I can marry a person of the opposite sex. If I wanted to marry a minor, does that make the system wrong?

Or better, can you help me understand what rights are being denied? I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

March 7, 2009
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so they say?

Have you ever been married?

March 7, 2009
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yes, for 27 years

March 7, 2009
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Why did you get married?

March 7, 2009
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Because I love my spouse. Gays have the same rights of marriage as I do. They are chosing someone of the same sex and that is what is currently against the law. If I loved a ten year old I would not be able to marry the one I loved, but my rights are not being denied. What about polygamy. Don't you think some rules are necessary?

March 7, 2009
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Very fine point. "Gays have the same rights of marriage as I do."

You were only permitted to marry the person you love because s/he was of the opposite sex than you. The marriage laws are gender specific? Why is that?

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So they say,

You wrote:

"I don't feel homosexuality is the same as being born of a certain race, etc.."

and

"Being heterosexual is not who I am. It is something I do."

You believe your sexuality is a choice? So you could just as easily choose to be with someone of the same sex? You're sexually drawn to both genders?

Do you know anyone who is gay? Why would someone CHOOSE to be gay and endure all the BULLSHIT - specifically the hatred and ignorance?

Mary

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MaryPoppins

I think I might be in love with you. Will you marry me?

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