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March 31, 2009
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Lolli,

I am laughing out loud... folks are coming by my office to see what has "Mr. Composed" on the floor.

Thanks!

Cary

March 31, 2009
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I thought you might like that. I'm glad you both enjoyed!

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March 31, 2009
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WTG lolli!

Now i just want to go somewhere for 7 days alone because I'm unclean.

Would be nice to have the time off!

April 1, 2009
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hey lollipop3,

Did Dr. Laura Schlesinger respond back to the letter's questions?

Just curious, should the reader stop after the first few sentences in the letter or should they read the whole thing to get the jest of the letter?

Or better yet, why it is wrong for one person to use selective parts of scripture, but when someone else does it, it is funny. Isn't the writer doing the very thing they implied is wrong to do? But now it is funny? How so? Do you really believe it is ok for one person to do this and not the other? It was wrong when Dr. Schelsinger did it or was that funny too?

April 1, 2009
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I think the point of the letter was to demonstrate the absurdity of using scripture as absolute truth. Of course, the "thumpers" tend to be very selective when quoting the bible and understandably, as so much of the bible is clearly just plain ridiculous. The word of man not God.

It's all about control of the masses through fear & intimidation. It worked well for thousands of years but more & more people now are starting to take a real honest look at the "written word" & are seeing it for what it really is. Consequently, religion is continually loosing credibility & as a result is becoming ever less accepted around the globe.

I've said before, the more a person looks - the more obvious the lies become. Sadly, many of those who have been conditioned over time to put all of their faith in this primitive & outdated book, written by man, are scared to death to even entertain the notion that their beliefs are not actually based on truth at all, but rather - lies. And some pretty obvious ones at that.

April 1, 2009
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I did get the point of the letter. But my point was, why is it wrong for one to do and funny if the other does it?

I'm sorry you don't see the beauty and love in religion. But it really wasn't the point. It is not about my, yours or other's views on religion. It is about double standards.

April 1, 2009
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So they say,

I am not even sure you are being serious here? How old are you? That sounds like a question a very young person would ask?

The point is just how ridiculous it is to condem people using a book that would say the things that are in that letter. Don't you usually laugh at things that are just silly?

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April 2, 2009
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Caraway,

Thank you for the compliment. Yes, I am being serious. Did you laugh when that silly Dr. Laura Schlesinger used that book to condemn homosexuality?

You might think it is childish to expect people to do as they preach, but I think it cuts to a truth that can bring about real solutions.

Truth is simple. Was it wrong or right to use selective parts of scripture to tell others how they should be?

Your post about rolling on the floor, sounds like you think it is funny to do so.

April 2, 2009
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Caraway,

Is this what you mean by condemning people?

"She recently said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination, according to Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstances."

Where is the condemning of people?

April 2, 2009
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So they say,

Dr. Laura (I doubt she is even a real DR.) bashes Homosexuality on a regular basis, along with single Mother's and anything that isn't white and Christian conservative. Funny how she brushed the nude pics of herself that circulated a few years ago under the rug.

She is condeming people when using that text you listed incorrectly. "homosexuality is an abomination, according to Leviticus 18:22". Abomination sounds a little critical to me? And she is using it to fuel hate and misunderstanding.

The point of the letter was show how ridiculous she is!

Cary

April 2, 2009
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Caraway,

She was not condemning people. Critical and condemning are not the same.

I totally agree, it is wrong to use scriptures to fuel hate and misunderstanding.

The text I quoted was directly pasted from the earlier post. It was the writers words. The translation of the Bible that I have, does not state the verse as she had written it either.

And you didn't answer the question. Was it wrong or right to use selective parts of scripture to tell others how they should be?

April 2, 2009
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So they say,

I would have to say wrong. Stop at the 10 Commandments, or use them as a guide, and we would all be better off.

Cary

April 2, 2009
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SYMPTOMS OF RELIGIOUS ADDICTION
© Paschal Baute 1993

Inability to think, doubt, or question religious information and/or authority
Black-and-white, good/bad, either/or simplistic thinking: one way or the other
Shame-based belief that you aren't good enough or you aren't doing it right
Magical thinking that God will fix you/ do it all, without serious work on your part
Scrupulosity: rigid obsessive adherence to rules, codes of ethics, or guidelines
Uncompromising judgmental attitudes: readiness to find fault or evil out there
Compulsive or obsessive praying, going to church or crusades, quoting scripture
Unrealistic financial contributions
Believing that sex is dirty; believing our bodies or physical pleasures are evil
Compulsive overeating and/or excessive fasting
Conflict and argumentation with science, medicine, and education
Progressive detachment from the real work, isolation and breakdown of relationships
Psychosomatic illness: back pains, sleeplessness, headaches, hypertension
Manipulating scripture or texts, feeling specially chosen, claiming to receive special messages from God
Maintaining a religious "high", trance-like state, keeping a happy face (or the belief that one should...)
Attitude of righteousness or superiority: "we versus the world," including the denial of one's human-ness.
Confusion, great doubts, mental, physical or emotional breakdown, cries for help
The ultimate temptation of the believer is to assume that his or her way to God is the best or only way for others. The particular Way to God becomes what is adored, not the ineffable and incomprehensible Mystery to which we give the name of God.

In essence we have become addicted to the certainty, sureness or sense of security that our faith provides. It is no longer a living by faith, with hope and growing in unconditional love.

adapted from When God Becomes a Drug, by Leo Booth

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April 2, 2009
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SYMPTOMS OF RELIGIOUS ADDICTION
© Paschal Baute 1993

Inability to think, doubt, or question religious information and/or authority

Black-and-white, good/bad, either/or simplistic thinking: one way or the other

Shame-based belief that you aren't good enough or you aren't doing it right

Magical thinking that God will fix you/ do it all, without serious work on your part

Scrupulosity: rigid obsessive adherence to rules, codes of ethics, or guidelines

Uncompromising judgmental attitudes: readiness to find fault or evil out there

Compulsive or obsessive praying, going to church or crusades, quoting scripture

Unrealistic financial contributions

Believing that sex is dirty; believing our bodies or physical pleasures are evil

Compulsive overeating and/or excessive fasting

Conflict and argumentation with science, medicine, and education

Progressive detachment from the real work, isolation and breakdown of relationships

Psychosomatic illness: back pains, sleeplessness, headaches, hypertension

Manipulating scripture or texts, feeling specially chosen, claiming to receive special messages from God

Maintaining a religious "high", trance-like state, keeping a happy face (or the belief that one should...)

Attitude of righteousness or superiority: "we versus the world," including the denial of one's human-ness.

Confusion, great doubts, mental, physical or emotional breakdown, cries for help

The ultimate temptation of the believer is to assume that his or her way to God is the best or only way for others.

The particular Way to God becomes what is adored, not the ineffable and incomprehensible Mystery to which we give the name of God.

In essence we have become addicted to the certainty, sureness or sense of security that our faith provides. It is no longer a living by faith, with hope and growing in unconditional love.

adapted from When God Becomes a Drug, by Leo Booth

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April 2, 2009
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These lyrics keep running through my mind.

Did you come here for forgiveness?
Did you come to raise the dead?

Did you come here to play Jesus to the lepers in your head?

April 3, 2009
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In the book "Changes that Heal" and "Safe People" both by Henry and Cloud who are Christian Psychotherapists, they outline these same attributes as characteristics for people who are more likely to hurt you and those you need to draw boundaries with. Very interesting.

BTW, These guys have some amazing books on healing wounds from the past and their books are Biblicaly based. They helped me greatly. I'm in sync with their interpretation of the Bible and the church.

April 3, 2009
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I wrote on another thread about one of my sisters, who chose Jesus over therapy. Rather than work on childhood trauma through therapy, she was "saved". She believes she's "good" only through God's grace and has given all of her power over to Jesus. She has buried her issues. It's sad, I think.

Mary

April 3, 2009
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Thanks Fantas I will check them out!

April 4, 2009
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More news on this issue:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reu.....s_killings

The irony of this article is stifling. It seems that both Shi'ite Islam and Traditional Christians have now found a common ground, despite their constant war with each other, and their beliefs are being carried out by some all too willing but clearly fanatical followers. How I wish there were as many news where the same groups of people were a safe haven for the so called sinners. If you have any, please share.

I don't want to restart the anger and debate on this thread, but I think we all need to know what is happening in our world, today. How quickly we are willing to turn on each other in an attitude of self-righteousness, how easy it is to interpret the Holy Scriptures to fit our narrow minded perceptions of very complex issues. We who are willing to have this conversation need to ask ourselves how we would take it, if an individual, distressed or encouraged by words coming out of our mouths, kills him/self or another person.

May we all create a more compassionate and loving experience today and may the world become more compassionate towards all it's citizens. Insha Allah

This has made my heart very heavy and sad. This is not an academic debate we are engaged in here, it's a plea for the emotional, physical, and spiritual rights and well being of our brothers and sisters who have the right to live their lives as they see fit. The state of their souls in this world and others belongs to them and their Creator, and the rest of us need to butt out of their business!!

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((((Fantas))))

April 5, 2009
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(((Marypoppins))), Thank you! I'm glad this day is over. Tomorrow will be a better day!!

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