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Ten Verses Never Preached On
April 30, 2007
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Ten Verses Never Preached On

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I'm just gonna post #1:

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 NASB

If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the
wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one
who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then
you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

Whoa, check this out too:

Ezekiel 23:19-20 NET

Yet she increased her prostitution, remembering the days of her youth
when she engaged in prostitution in the land of Egypt. She lusted after
their genitals as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission
was as strong as that of stallions.

We need these verses on the billboards instead
of the ones currently there. And we need these on TV! The athiests need
to be more active in this country.

April 30, 2007
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ah.. I wish I could have these verses on my email signature at work. Some people at work have a shortcut like Proverb 3:5-7, or whatever. This is what we need instead.. yea!

April 30, 2007
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"She lusted after their genitals as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions."

Well - yah.

April 30, 2007
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Lets rephrase that: "She was horny for their big c___ and their huge loads"

Good god. Am I going to far? No, this is what the Bible said. If its anything thats going too far, its the bible.

April 30, 2007
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Finally some equal rights and accurate reporting in that bible.

April 30, 2007
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You mean you think people should actually look up verses in the Bible and read them? Put verses out in public for people to read? How shocking! Are you actually saying you want people to read the Bible? Who knows what might happen if they did?

May 1, 2007
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Guest:

You never cease to make me roll my eyes. Hope you are doing well.

🙂

May 1, 2007
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Why would you want those verses on email????

May 1, 2007
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guest, 'ditto' mamacinnamon's post, and may i add, 'good bait'.

May 1, 2007
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Guest_guest.

You are a very naughty boy. 🙂 You've sucked me in like a huge vacuum cleaner. I've taken the 'bait', hook, line and sinker.

Here goes:

My bible has 1207 pages devoted to the old testament in which such writings of the genre you have quoted seem common.

However it only has just 327 pages devoted to Christ's supposed testament. It's the 'good stuff' I'm told.

That's a ratio of 3.69:1 of Jewish(non-Christian) to Christian teachings. Here we have two different religions with the heretical offshoot, Christianity, plagairizing the scriptural teachings of its spawning ancestor. Interesting that certain books of the rejected religion's scriptures were adopted!

Let's just consider these latter 327 pages. Are they also the inspired word of God as well? Are they any better or worse?

Or they just the words of primitive Hebrew tribesmen trying to make sense out of their Judaism in the light of Christ's largely misunderstood message?

This is what the born again Paul(Saul the ex-pharisee), the father and instigator of western Christianity as we know it today, wrote:

Romans:13 Duties toward State Authorities

Everyone must obey state authorities, because no authority
exists without God's permission, and
the existing authorities have been put there by God. 2 Whoever opposes the existing authority opposes what God has ordered; and anyone who does so will bring judgment on himself. 3 For rulers are not to be feared by those who do good, but by those who do evil. Would you like to be unafraid of the man in authority? Then do what is good, and he will praise you, 4 because he is God's servant working for your own good. But if you do evil, then be afraid of him, because his power to punish is real. He is God's servant and carries out God's punishment on those who do evil. 5 For this
reason you must obey the authorities-not just because of God's pun-
ishment, but also as a matter of conscience.

6 That is also why you pay taxes,
because the authorities are working
for God when they fulfill their duties.

7 Pay, then, what you owe them; pay
them your personal and property
taxes, and show respect and honor
for them all.

How come we tried Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg? Weren't they obeying orders as unequivocally instructed to do by Paul? Why try them in court, when Paul, God's author, specifically states above:

"Everyone must obey state authorities, because no authority
exists without God's permission, and
the existing authorities have been put there by God."

So all the horrific powermongers of the world like Caligula, Nero, Hitler, Pol Pot, etc were put in place with God's permission; note that the bible says: "no authority
exists without God's permission".

The warmongering Bush has God's permission to be in authority to blot out so many lives with that same omniscient God knowing well in advance what Bush would do???

What sort of a God is this God of the Christians???? A blood thirsty monster?? Or are we allowed to ignore the biblical writings that don't suit our cultural mores?

May 1, 2007
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hey guys,

I've just finished reading "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris. He makes a similar case for the extremely detrimental effects of religion.

Check out his website at http://www.samharris.org

May 1, 2007
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and hey, bev, I'm with you on the 'genitals as large as those of donkeys'. hubba hubba!

May 2, 2007
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Hey Kroika.

Thanks muchly for the wonderful http://www.samharris.org url!

Through it I found this truly great document at:

http://www.samharris.org/media.....buddha.pdf

It describes exactly why I'm so enthralled with the Buddha's teachings but am verrrry reluctant to become a Buddhist. I see eye to eye with this guy!

This article called 'Killing The Buddha' is about the Buddhist koan(zen) or kung-an(Ch'an) supposedly coined by the great Buddhist master Lin Chi who said something like this: "If you meet a Buddha on your path kill him."

No matter what your religion or lack of, its worth reading. Sam Harris is quite a guy.

May 2, 2007
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This is for you Guest_guest - a little present.

There is No God (And You Know It) - Sam Harris

Somewhere in the world a man has abducted a little girl. Soon he will rape, torture, and kill her. If an atrocity of this kind not occurring at precisely this moment, it will happen in a few hours, or days at most. Such is the confidence we can draw from the statistical laws that govern the lives of six billion human beings.

The same statistics also suggest that this girl’s parents believe -- at this very moment -- that an all-powerful and all-loving God is watching over them and their family. Are they right to believe this? Is it good that they believe this?

No.

The entirety of atheism is contained in this response. Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious. Unfortunately, we live in a world in which the obvious is overlooked as a matter of principle. The obvious must be observed and re-observed and argued for. This is a thankless job. It carries with it an aura of petulance and insensitivity. It is, moreover, a job that the atheist does not want.

It is worth noting that no one ever need identify himself as a non-astrologer or a non-alchemist. Consequently, we do not have words for people who deny the validity of these pseudo-disciplines. Likewise, “atheism” is a term that should not even exist. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. The atheist is merely a person who believes that the 260 million Americans (eighty-seven percent of the population) who claim to “never doubt the existence of God” should be obliged to present evidence for his existence -- and, indeed, for his benevolence, given the relentless destruction of innocent human beings we witness in the world each day. Only the atheist appreciates just how uncanny our situation is: most of us believe in a God that is every bit as specious as the gods of Mount Olympus; no person, whatever his or her qualifications, can seek public office in the United States without pretending to be certain that such a God exists; and much of what passes for public policy in our country conforms to religious taboos and superstitions appropriate to a medieval theocracy. Our circumstance is abject, indefensible, and terrifying. It would be hilarious if the stakes were not so high.

May 2, 2007
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Kroika-

"and hey, bev, I'm with you....."

You got that, huh?

May 2, 2007
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Group counseling sessions of athiests involve reading from the bible, you know why because it makes us feel better.. Yeaaaaa.

May 2, 2007
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OMW, its not a "bait", its open discussion and most importantly, its education. We need these verses to be treated equally like the other touted verses from the bible, thats all.

May 2, 2007
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guest, I know.

It's just that you all talk about God as if he didn't exist, but on the other hand, with all of the emotion that you allow him to invoke, you beleive he does. The God that is mentioned here is not the God that so many know. There are actually many people who love God as a way of life and are doing great. I just don't get why if no one beleives, which is fine, many beleive differently, why he gets everyone so riled up. I mean if he's dead, why do you care? Why all the hoopla? On the other hand, if he is alive, you are keeping him alive in your minds, in your feelings, in your anger, and in a quest to talk about donkey genitals....like what the hell does that have to do with anything? why bother? what are you wanting to know? I do not understand the quest to disprove him...who cares, unless it is a personal vindetta, or looking for a small tidbit to convince you to believe. You just don't see anywhere on this site, anyone feeling this way about any other religion. No one tries to slam Buddha or Mohammed or Joseph Smith, because it is senseless....well, take that back, maybe a couple of times we did at one point, but it was short-lived.

I have to conclude that one does not try to disprove something so vehemently unless they in fact, somewhere, believe.

do you agree or disagree....all for edcuation sake of course.

apologies for my 'bait' remark, that was pure sarcasm on my part, and unnecessary but in a logical sense, it is bait for those who do not believe as you do....and just conversation for those who do. and we all know which category i fall into. and i am probably the most verbal confronter on this site in regard to 'GOD'.

And something I have never shared with anyone on this site, because it is part of my past....I was an abducted child. And I had learned at least how to pray. And it was prayer that kept me safe and the prayers of others...I am convinced of that. So the Sam Harris story?.....does not encompass ALL people.

May 2, 2007
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you are keeping him alive ... in a quest to talk about donkey genitals

er, do you think so?

OMW, you might actually be interested to read "Letter to a Christian Nation" and see how Sam Harris' thoughts square with your own understanding of morality.

I call myself agnostic because I was brought up to believe in God, but I can no longer believe that religion does more good than it does harm. I believe that whatever spiritual truth exists, is obscured by the vestiges of religions that served a purpose for tribal peoples in the past, but do terrible harm today.

It *is* possible to be moral without believing in God or belonging to a religion. Unfortunately, it is also possible to be murderously immoral while believing in God and belonging to a religion.

I'm sure you really understand the point about the donkey genitals... right?

May 2, 2007
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kroika,
I will take time to read it. But sincerely, I think that what man has DONE to God has done more harm than good. ...IMHO.

But on a happier note, here is a joke:

Did you hear about the Dyslexic Athiest ---- he doesn't believe in DOG!

of course I get the donkey genitals...pretty graphic and perhaps back then, it was that way....maybe we grew up in the wrong era!

May 2, 2007
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"you are keeping him alive ... in a quest to talk about donkey genitals"

kroika...funny, but that isn't what i said. but never mind.

May 2, 2007
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Hi OMW,

I will be most interested to hear what you think of "Letter to a Christian Nation". It's a quick read, only 90 or so very small pages. (But not cheap! In hardcover, it costs as much as a regular size book.)

Re the donkey genitals, you said "On the other hand, if he is alive, you are keeping him alive in your minds, in your feelings, in your anger, and in a quest to talk about donkey genitals...."

What I quoted was part of what you said, with some extra words removed. Movie ads do it all the time when they take tiny snippets out of movie reviews... of course it's dishonest if they leave in words that contradict the intent of the original writer. I didn't think I had done that to you... in my rush to focus on the donkey genitals.

Is anybody else laughing as hard as I am every time I see that phrase "donkey genitals" now??? I really think it needs its own thread. Donkey Genitals Appreciation Society, or something.... (WD, you around anywhere? Sounds like your kind of thread; wanna get us started?)

May 2, 2007
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absolutely! And where did WD go anyway, haven't seen him around here lately!

Will take a look at "Letter to A Christian Nation", I know it will be interesting reading, and add it to my list of others I plan to read....I must get a life!!

May 2, 2007
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I just read an exerpt from "A Letter to an Athiest", in response to Sam Harris's book. I see a huge religious war coming. People are fighting over the existence of God. It seems to make the athiests angry if there is rebuttal and it makes the Christians mad if there is a rebuttal. Also read an exerpt of Sam Harris's. Does it really boil down to people's beliefs....it seems this way. Have you ever seen such controversy. I would say 'religion' and the athiests are destroying the world....and, I will add IMHO so I don't catch s**t.

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guest...we have had the most fun today with the phrase 'donkey genitals'.... it's a girl thing. 🙂

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