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September 24, 2007
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Washington Is Next

The quiet war has begun with silent weapons And the new slavery is to keep the people Poor and stupid, "Novus Ordo Seclorum"

How can there be any logic in biological war? We all know this is wrong, but the New World Order's Beating down the door, oh something needs to be done

There was a King, an evil King, Who dreamt the wickedest of dreams An ancient mystery, no prophet could interpret Of seven years of famine, the wolf is at my door As predicted years ago, that that was, that is, that is no more

The word predicts the future and tells the truth about the past Of how the world leaders will hail the new Pharaoh The eighth false king to the throne: Washington is Next!

Disengage their minds, sabotage their health Promote sex and war and violence in the kindergartens Blame the parents and teachers; it's their fault, "Annuit Coeptis" Attack the church dynamic, attack the family Keep the public undisciplined 'til nothing left is sacred and The "have-not's" get hooked and have to go to the "have's" just to cop a fix

I am the King (an evil king), Who dreams the wickedest of dreams An ancient mystery, nobody could interpret Of seven empires falling, the wolf is at my door As predicted years ago, that that was, that is, that is no more

The word predicts my future and tells the truth about my past Of how the world's leaders are waiting to usher in The eighth world power of modern Rome: Washington is Next!

There was a King, an evil king, Who dreamt the wickedest of dreams An ancient mystery, no prophet could interpret Of seven empires falling, the wolf is at my door As predicted years ago, that that was, that is, that is no more

I am a King, and I dream the wildest dreams Nobody could interpret Seven empires falling, the wolf is at my door Oh, that that was, that is, that is no more

There's something at my door, some ancient mystery The future tells the truth about my past And I'm the eighth false king to the throne I've got you in my crosshairs, now, ain't that a bitch?

Washington, you're next!

Megadeth..sad but true.

September 24, 2007
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bevdee,
I looked up Sub Rosa, it seems to many of one thing so to speak. I didn't have time to read everything. Is there one particular part that you had in mind?

September 25, 2007
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Hey OMW

How are you? I originally posted this on the Recovering From Religions thread

"bevdee

2-Jul-07

After my post of 06-30-07, I started thinking about roses and the rosary and "hail Mary" and searched a while and found this when googling symbols. When a Catholic rosary is spread flat, it reveals a symbol of the planet Venus- a circle surmounting a cross. If a line is drawn, connecting the five beads of the "mysteries" (that is, the five large beads in the circle), a pentagram is formed- the "Rose of Venus." A pentagram is a symbol of the Planet Venus, because of the shape it forms on its travels through the heavens. The name "rosary" means "garland of roses," and early Rose Cross imagery mimicked the shape of the rosary.
So- The rose has significance to the Roman Catholic church, Anglo Catholic Church, the past and current esoteric, Hermetic mystery religions and Wicca, so-called secret societies. I include Wicca, because it seems to be considered a secret religion, although I believe the reasons for secrecy was fear of persecution and death - not exclusive membership. And because the pentagram symbol pops up in Wicca, and the other hermetic societies. The Rose Cross Lamen incorporates and displays the cross, the rose and the pentagram.

Other than the rose symbolism, I haven't delved enough to find other similarities.

But does the symbolism of the rose pre-date the Christian Church? Wicca might, with it's similarities to Druidism- "paganism", but the others are simply an off shoot or an offshoot- of- an- offshoot of the catholic church. The early Church borrowed many "pagan" customs and symbols to gain popularity with the mainstream.

http://www.geocities.com/Athen.....paper3.htm

"The rose (Latin, rosa, in Greek, rhodon) also is a symbol that has a rich and ancient history. And like the cross, it can have paradoxical meanings. It is at once a symbol of purity and a symbol of passion, heavenly perfection and earthly passion; virginity and fertility; death and life. The rose is the flower of the goddess Venus but also the blood of Adonis and of Christ. It is a symbol of transmutation - that of taking food from the earth and transmuting it into the beautiful fragrant rose. The rose garden is a symbol of Paradise. It is the place of the mystic marriage. In ancient Rome, roses were grown in the funerary gardens to symbolize resurrection. The thorns have represented suffering and sacrifice as well as the sins of the Fall from Paradise.

The rose has also been used as a sign of silence and secrecy. The word sub rosa "under the rose" referring to the demand for discretion whenever a rose was hung from the ceiling at a meeting. In the Mysteries roses were sacred to Isis. It is also the flower of her son Harpocrates or younger Horus, the god of silence."

In the Catholic church, the mysteries are counted off on the rosary. I don't understand these mysteries. If anyone that has any knowledge of them would share it with me, I would love to hear it.

I don't understand why the red rose, a symbol of femininity and sexuality is used as a symbol for these religions and organizations that either demand subjugation of and/or deny membership to women. When did sororities become fraternities?? To me, that is a paradox."

I haven't looked into it any further, but, on closer inspection of ancient religions - the rose, and the points of the rose (pentagram) seem to pre-date christianity.The Pagan religions do, Wicca is an off shoot of those older religions. The cross is used in many ancient religions, too.

September 25, 2007
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Miss OMW

Here's a little more-

http://altreligion.about.com/l.....tagram.htm

"Pentagram (pentacle, pentangle, pentalpha

The pentagram is a five pointed star commonly associated with Wicca, Ritual magick, Satanism, and Masonry. The Pentagram has a long and complex history as a religious symbol. Found scrawled in caves of ancient Babylonia, the five pointed star was copied from the star shaped pattern formed by the travels of the planet Venus in the sky. The emblem remained popular through many cultures and time periods- it was called the pentalpha by the Greeks, who believed it had magical properties. For a time, it was the official seal of the city of Jerusalem:

In later times, it was used by medieval Christians to symbolize the five wounds of Christ, and figured in the heavily symbolic Arthurian romances. It also represents the proportions of the human body. The pentagram was commonly used (ironically) against witches and demons. (like other protective knots, it was considered effective only if drawn perfectly)

It was not until the twentieth century that the pentagram became associated with Satanism, probably due to misinterpretation of symbols used by ceremonial magicians.

In alchemical texts, the four elements (in Latin)- flatus, ignus, aqua, terra, superseded by light, or divine energy- illustrated the process of creation- Fiat Lux, or, "let there be light."

In Wiccan/Pagan lore, the pentagram symbolizes the five elements- earth, air, water, fire, and spirit. The Wiccan emblematic pentagram faces point upward to symbolize the triumph of spirit over matter; the Satanic pentagram is transposed, point downwards, to symbolize earthly gratification, or the triumph of the individual over dissolution. Some Wiccan grades also utilize a reversed pentacle, although for different purposes."

Anyway- if you google and find some more stuff and want to share it, I'll take a look.

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Amazing what you found here,,,I find it interesting that the wiccan religion was deemed evil, and yet so much is taken from it,,,I used to think they were the ones who were dark, evil or whatever,,,I don;t think so anymore,

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Good mornin!! The pagan religions were "borrowed" from, then after a while, those that borrowed called them evil. They taught their children that they were evil and that teaching has been handed down for a ocuple thousand years. It's sad- I think we may have lost some knowledge because of it.

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bevdee,
Holy Moly!!
Interesting about the rosary! Keep researching about the Catholics..lots to learn, and I will not say here what I have learned about the religion itself, the Popes and the Vatican. But I will try to find the link to what I read a couple of months ago.

Thanks for the information!

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I don't understand the symbolism of the rose either. Does anyone know about the mysteries of the rosary though?

You all sorry for my questions...sometimes I have time to check in and read and participate, but my research time is limited presently.

Hope everyone is ok!

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Hi OMW...How are you? I would google symbols rose pagan christian conspiracies...and see what you get here...I enjoyed this thread myself here. Hugs to you!

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This is quick googling

http://www.geocities.com/Athen.....paper3.htm

"Numerologically, the rose represents the number 5. This is because the wild rose has 5 petals. And the petals on roses are in multiples of five. Geometrically, the rose corresponds with the pentagram and pentagon. Our teachings state: "No.5 is the emblem of Health and Safety; ...it represents Spirit and the four elements." The Pythagorean brotherhood used the pentagram as the symbol of their school."

The number five being associated with the rose has linked them with the 5 senses. In an absolute sense the rose has represented the expanding awareness of being through the development of the senses."

http://www.ixeh.net/faith/Trea.....eries.html

This one gives descriptions of the mysteries that are counted off on the rosary.

Here's a similarity to ponder- The cult of Mithras, evolved from Osiris, a mystery religion. The rose was sacred to Isis.

If you google and find anything else and want to share, let me know.

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Bumping this up here..

How are you Bevdee?

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I was thinking of something today, about how organized corruption is here in our country..how other coutries have seen this and have outlawed certain organizations cause of the damage they had done their country and then somehow we are the enemy to them here..take for example France...I wish I could escape to France, I think they are very wise people in deed..but I can't afford to move there or live there...but i admire them, they had enough oppression/corruption from orgainzed groups with an agenda and they did something about it, but soon enough, the posion will spread like wildfire here, soon WW3 will come, cause that is the plan..how sad we choose not to see what others have...it could of all been prevented.

Well, I have to log off now, time for our festvies to begin today..I am going to enjoy my freedom while I can here, I know our days are numbered here.

Be well all...please keep posting, keep learning and researching, don't let the media brainwash you.

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