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Student is tasered for asking Kerry bout secret society
September 20, 2007
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Our society is very corrupt, and as Ladeska always points out..no one cares, no one wants to know the truth, and that will be our downfall in civilization, it will be how it ends here, maybe just like Venus or Mars, it will just end. We had warnings, we had information, we had brains here, but we did not use them, we wanted to believe lies upon lies and walk in dark places holding hands with the devil.

September 20, 2007
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bevdee, free,
sorry doing this from memory,
bevdee you can google You Tube Illuminati..watch a few of them expecialy the New World Order one. Alex Jones is a bit much for me, so you may not want to watch him, but up to you.

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If you knew and understood what Survivor knows, it is very scary for some. What we once thought about things, seemingly are a lie now..our gov't., etc. people and things we believed in...people, as you study it, will eventually be locked up for what is known about all of it...freedom of speech is going to be a thing of the past. Hard to believe I know. Will catch ya on your other thread to me though.

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HI Survivor,
I understand where you are coming from. I am sorry to hear that you are fearful though. I think it is good that you are talking about it here. I was so glad to know that someone else knew what I had learned! Sometimes it is easy to think that it all is not true, but I agree with you that it is.

Thank you for sharing what you have learned and what you know.

best to you,
omw

September 20, 2007
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I have had some of this info for several years. My mother's baby sister became interested in this about 15 years ago, and tried to talk to Grampa about it, but he wouldn't discuss it with her. She tried to get anyone to hear her, and I was the only one that would listen. Her sisters refused to consider that the organisation was anything other than they had been told and believed all their lives.

September 20, 2007
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No, not fearful omw, just informed, hurt but no not really fearful, I know that the misinformation bout it is soo indoctrinated into society that most will just laugh anyhow, anymore, I really do not even discuss it but since is it is related to my sexual abuse, well what can i say here, I had a moment, felt triggered, but I am well now. We never accomplish much out of fear, I agree and thank you for you being supportive here, and standing by me here, its a rare person that believes this, that does their homework and even rarer someone who will admit it...but as things evolve here people are waking up, just a tad too late however, but at least alot more people are educating, researching and learning here, that is a comfort to me, and to many others who also know here.

Hey Bevdee, how are you? I feel for your grandma here, she was prolly laughed at alot and even prolly made her ou to be a nutcase ...back in those days, people just did not know as much, the info was not out there like it is today, my heart goes out to her..how scared she must of been. I feel for her.

nite all, bedtime for me here.

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Survivor

It was my aunt, but yes "she was prolly laughed at alot and even prolly made her ou to be a nutcase" She did get really frustrated that no one would listen to her.

September 21, 2007
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Sorry bout that. Well, there is a reason why people get snickered at when they speak bout the truth of the matter here, its been set up that way, in the movies, through the media, which they control, so why not? Its been planned that way, so when someone does speak out, they are kinda of looked at funny...but you know what? not so true anymore, people are more educated today, there is the internet, not that all that we read it true, and much is hype and etc here, but much of it isn't and the war has really brought attention here, people are smelling a rat.

We want to believe fairy tales in life, cause they comfort us, its so much easier to put people down and cruify them when the mob is doing it left and right here, people are like that, I learned that very early on in my life, when i was young and had no hair, do you think anyone cared bout me or wanted to be my friend???Um..I was the "it" I was not a human being, I was trash to people. I seen first hand early on what people are really like, I don't buy the con games cause I know better.

And when someone throws up a flag and hands you a bible and tells you that this is how it is or if you don't buy this or that, your trash, then my radar gets into gear, cause it is familar to me, or when I hear how good a person is, how well respected they are, how good they are with kids and blah blah blah, it concerns me, cause I know better than to believe those lies, I know better.

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I was approached to join by the invitation of a girl in school, whose father was in the same lodges as my dad...guess they felt bad for me here maybe? I know that my aunt was sooo happy to hear I was becoming a member, she even made my white dresses for me. My self esteem was zero, due to being bald, with barely any hair. I remember sitting alone, at the meetings, always alone, cause I was not someone anyone wanted anything to do with, I was voted in simply as a favor to my dad...who never spoke to me, who never loved me, talkled to me or cared, even later when I tried soo hard to get him to open up, be a dad and a granddad to his only grandchild...I failed my entire life, you can't make a parent love you, if they never did. You just can't.

September 21, 2007
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Been doing some more reading. Thank you. Well, my impression from reading about the Knights Templar and secret societies to present date is that the organisation began with the Templar monks as mercenaries. They were sent to protect European pilgrims coming to Jerusalem and the lands that had originally belonged to the natives of Jerusalem before the Crusades. They acted as a militia to protect the financial interests of the Catholic Church. They were essentially soldiers for the Catholic Church, making their mission to Jerusalem "holy". Exempt from taxes, there were alot of contributions to their cause, enabling them to institute Europe's first banking system. It was the money that eventually led to their downfall, because of debts owed the Templars by the King of France. They were killed to remove a king's debt. They were persecuted, discredited, tortured into confession, killed horribly, burned at the stake.

Always money and land.

Some of the order survived, but, fearing further persecution, kept a very low profile, not growing strong again in Scotland in the late 1600s and England in the early 1700s- before surfacing in the New World of America. Only a belief in a god was required for membership at that time. (Not sure about now)

Pike's kind of the wild hair. My theory about Pike is that he had alot of influence in Ar, Ok and Tx. He had influence as an attorney over several Native tribes, many of which owned slaves when they were "forced to relocate" to the Western Indian Territory. One of the chiefs of the Choctaw tribe, (the one responsible for signing the treaty that removed the Choctaws from the fertile lands of Mississippi to the desert of Oklahoma) was only a fraction Indian Blood, his European father being a good friend to Andrew Johnson. A true "white" man was in the minority, at least in the Nation, even if he married into one of the tribes. Those Indian Nations were sovereign nations, outside the jurisiction of the US governments. Because of this, there were alot of outlaws that would flee across Missouri and Kansas and hide across the border of the I.T. Outside federal jurisdiction. Northeast Texas handled things differently. After the civil war, they just ran the non-White non-protestants off that they didn't want around- blacks, Jews, Catholics.

My speculation is that Pike was needed from Fort Smith and west through the I.T. because of the influence he had with the Nations. Then came emancipation, and there were all these freedmen running around, some of them petitioning for land from the I.T., and wanting to vote, a right they had been promised by Union soldiers.

The KKK, sporting a big red cross on white robes, sometimes called the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, did not originate to kill black freedmen. It was started to protect ex-confederates in the recently conquered South, because Reconstruction was financially brutal to those who would not sign their allegiance to the Union. Reconstruction was about control over the conquered Confederate Nation. The KKK sprung up in response to the outrages that came from Reconstruction. Originally the KKK were just conquered confederates that were protecting their families, a sort of vigilante justice, because there was no protection forthcoming from the Union militia.

When freedmen tried to vote, start their own businesses or buy property instead of sharecrop it? By then, the Union had subjugated the rebels, that conflict had kind of gelled, but that's when the terrorism against "negroes" began. The burnings, the disappearances and the hangings.

Voting. Economic control.

I have always wondered why the Klan and its atrocities had been allowed to survive past the 19th century, until I realised there were influential, rich men that belonged to it - politicians and businessmen. Today, they are allowed their freedom of speech and their practices of hate have gone unpunished because - for one thing- there have been many accusations, but nothing can be proved. Because the members that dare not show their faces, that cover them with hoods, are sometimes the town's most respected citizens. KKK did the dirty work, the night work. The KKK intimidation/removal methods kept the balance of financial power and control with the white man. In the South. I believe the KKK is the muscle, the darker side of this political coin.

What I find amazing is that an organisation such as the Freemasons or any church, organisations built around religion, would either endorse or turn a blind eye to the KKK. That is my sense of right and wrong. My dream of a perfect world.

I wonder if Pike was awarded the 33rd degree because of his efforts with the KKK? Or if he was tolerated because of the knowledge he attained and wrote about, those writings which are now discounted? It seems to me that the current Masonic powers that be want to downplay his significance in their history. And his writings are at variance with mainstream presented to the public.

But how useful was he to the overall picture? What was the overall picture? These are the things that I wonder about. It's a legacy of silence and secrecy. Since June, I've tried asking the historians that have helped me before with my personal genealogy, but so far, no one is talking about it. I sense they know something from the look on their faces, an identical look on every face, one that stops any further questions. Course, if we start talking, we might be talking about someone's grampa or great grampa and that gets tricky, I know. Some of my ancestors were lawyers and politicians and I'm not sure I want to know about anything more than the illegitimate children they sired. I mean, I think I might know anyway, my 2xgreat grandfather studied law at Yale.

Until this matter came to my awareness again, I didn't think of it too much, because I considered it painful, a shameful commentary on some of a society that we are not too far removed from. That man, James Byrd, Jr. was dragged to his death by a truck in Jasper Texas in just 1998. I know the Klan didn't do it, but that culture of hatred is still virulently alive down here. This topic brought up alot of memories that are sad and painful to me.

This Skull and Bones? Alot of power and potential there, and not at local levels. Those children of the wealthy and ruling class forging friendships that will last a lifetime. Maybe it was the mention of the group or the mention of a "secret society" that caused everyone at the Kerry speech to just - freeze in the headlights.

The hospitals? That's a great tradition. The Templar Monks did that first, I think. I have worked with Shriner kids and have witnessed first-hand the good done for those poor children. But charity is always a great tax write-off.

It's just easier to think the way they want us to, isn't it? It's easier to accept it, and just go on with our lives, trying to make a living, and make sense of what "God" wants us to do.

Survivor, thank you for sharing this with us. It's given me alot to think of.

September 21, 2007
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I found what you wrote to be quite interesting here...I may have to go back and reread this, there is alot here that I never knew too...I hope you keep digging here, keep talking, I hope others read this, even if they never post, I hope they do their own research, maybe someone out there will have some of the same thoughts, experiences and see that they are not a nutcase, not alone and that we are kept down by shame, silence and fear...it doesn't have to be that way. Yup, good men of god always hide behind charity work...that is their MO...it works too here, very well indeed.

Your welcome Bevdee, just checking in here, but I gotta go, so much to do and no time to get it accomplishd here, have a great weekend!

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Great points, bev. The reading is fascinating, isn't it? The more you peel away at that onion, the more you want to know. But at a certain point, it just becomes frustrating because in all reality, what can you do? This struggle for power, money and domination dates back to ancient times. This snowball has been building consistently, for way too long. Who can tear it down?

Certainly not the lower class. The government has worked far too hard creating a system that renders a huge portion of our society helpless based on their dependency. Welfare, low income housing, and government "assistance" wasn't designed to help these people, imo. It was designed to keep them right where they are - down and out of the way. They have a definite voice, but where does it actually get them?

The same with the middle class. We've got the numbers and the education to back us up, but we don't have the money or the time. We're too busy chasing after the American Dream that we've been conditioned to want and need (more dependency)... the house, the family, the cars, the job. We're essentially running in place, working our lives away, while the governent takes at least 40 percent of what we make. What do we do?

We're part of ther herd, the worker bees, making the rich and powerful, moreso. It's a plan that has been in effect for far too long. It's not that I don't want it to change, but who realistically can change it, other than those with the power? The powerful can start and stop wars, for example, pushing millions of people in the direction that they intend. Slowly but surely, they'll achieve global dominance. All you have to do is read about the United Nations. If I had a dime for every time I heard "global economy" inserted into a politician's speech, I'd be wealthy enough to be one of them. It's no accident that the "euro" was introduced, thus uniting the economy of many european countries.

Anyway... I'm ranting like a maniac. It's just frustrating.

love - shaney

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Slowly but surely, they'll achieve global dominance. All you have to do is read about the United Nations.

You know, Ron Paul is against the United Nations, he is for Freedom, do you think he can be voted in, and if he was lucky enough to get in, do you think he be allowed to live?

I doubt it, but I am going to vote for him anyhow, so many people keep saying he is our last hope, so many know that but again, it prolly will not be allowed to happen here, and there is nothing we can do, but just watch it unfold, so maybe...

We should just enjoy life while we can here, make what is important to us count every day and try to brush off the corruption that we face day in and day out, cause all we have is what we have...a little time maybe.

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It's no accident that the "euro" was introduced, thus uniting the economy of many european countries.

Msy I ask you if you think this is what the bible talks bout in the end times? I know it speaks bout a one world econmony and one world united with common currency and etc...

Wondered what you thought bout this Shaney...your posts are very interesting to me. Thanks.

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Does anyone know what happened to this student???

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Survivor-

Here's one account

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/.....index.html

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part damage control..part truth maybe...but the video speaks for itself...for me anyhow here.

Thanks Bevdee:)

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I have lots of questions when it comes to drawing direct lines between biblical predictions and world events. I don't know. Hal Lindsey seems to have it all figured out, as do many others throughout history, but who really knows for sure. With all of these theories flying around, I guess someone is bound to be right at some point.

I guess I would have to question the author's concept of the "world" back in biblical times. For all we know, their idea of the world consisted of the town that they lived in, and whatever town was on the other side of the Nile, for all we know. But I seriously doubt that they envisioned the world as we know it today. So one common currency back then, wouldn't seem like such a stretch, imo. Every new king or emperor, once in power, minted their own coinage in bronze, with their likeness. Then when the next king came into power, they would do the same. But eventually the currency was regulated - and so, "poof", the prediction came true... in their world. OR ... we're all going to be in for a big surprise, and we'll be looking at eachother as the hell fires burn, wishing that we wouldn't have been so skeptical! HA! Anything could happen.

The euro brought 12 or 13 countries
together under one currency thanks to the European Union. That gives one particular group a lot of power over economical policies, which to me, seems like more sheep herding. More control and power - that's what I don't agree with. This power ball just seems to keep picking up speed, getting bigger and bigger - and it can't be good. It's frustrating and overwhelming to me when I really think about it... but hey, then again, even in the smallest of tribes, living in remote locations on the other side of the world, have a leader that calls the shots. Are people just sheep by nature?

What you said above, is exactly my thought. Live the best life that you can, while you're here. And at the end of the day, if you can rest peacfully, then you must have done something right. Then if you feel yourself getting pissed at the world, add the Shaney twist... "PLAYING NICE IN THE SANDBOX DOESN'T GUARANTEE HAPPINESS. TAKE WHAT YOU CAN WHILE YOU'RE HERE - LIFE'S TOO SHORT. THE "E" TICKET IS THE WAY TO GO."

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When I referred to hal Lindsey, it wasn't necessarily in support of him.

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Interesting Shaney, you brought up some thoughts here, I just did not think bout, like the currency being one kind of deal and there being only two towns in that point in time.

It is actually when you mix it all together according to Hal and so many others who seemed to have had first knowledge of things that have come to light, even just recently.

I do think your shaney twist is sooo correct too..playing nice, being PC, being this or that guarantees what excatly? I think all it does is give you a sheep like menality and that is just too dangerous, then again, what can you do really??? Nothing, but maybe be wise, guard your home and family the best way you can and break out a cold one now and then and just enjoy it while you can. Yup.

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Actually tasering seems the the weapon of choice these days and they do seem to be overdoing it here, I can see if the person has a gun or is threathening them is one thing and tasering them to get them in more control, and not using handcuffs or others means is a whole different story.

I seen police bruality up close and personal...they almost murdered my brother, it was 7 to 1...he had no weapon and the offense was petty and yet he laid in a coma like state in the hospital...and just bout died, was really lucky...no one to support him either, no one.

They even would not tell us where he was, till we investigated...it was hushed up that they put him in the hosptial too and one of the sheriffs from town, friends of the family, came to my parents, apoloized adn said his hands are tied, if he spoke the truth of how they almost killed him he would be in alot of trouble and at the very lesat lose his job...

and so it goes..we hold hands with the devil, most of us do.

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I caught a glimpse of a video this week of a woman being tasered by an officer. He kept doing it over and over again...it was torture.

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I seen that too gg...I think I know which one it was too here, she was thin, on the ground, and in tears and they just kept tasering her over and over and where is the outrage? Where are the demostrations???!!! Its sickening to me. And do we really think if we just keep turning our heads, it will improve here? No, its going to get alot worse, a whole lot.

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Probably was the same video...now this is on video for all to see. Action needs to be taken!!!

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I know it does, but the powers that be are so ingrained and well indoctrinated into society, that would be literally impossible to do that here. Its a web that can't be torn down or destroyed, it is intentional too. It is the evil powers that be in this world, too many people not caring here, its what Ladeska always talks bout here, its our fate, sadly so.

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We are in soo much trouble here as a nation, if our schools can remove children from us cause of them being ill for 12 days in a one year time frame, something is soo wrong

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