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September 19, 2007
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Free, My uncle is a shriner, I understand you. But I don't know enough or have the energy to support it.........he is probably the most honest, most sincere and good person I have ever met in my life.....His life has been surrounded by loving others. horsefly

September 19, 2007
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Horsefly...I am not speaking bout your uncle here. I am not speaking for anyone else but me and my own personal experience here, no one else. this is how I see it and i am sure your uncle is a very kind soul..this is not a debate here, this is my life, my abusive life experiecnes, its my heart here and my pain.

September 19, 2007
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i am sorry i ever stated this thread now, please SC erase this, I can't take this anymore, its hurting me here.

September 19, 2007
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Survivor, I was talking to free, I meant nothing toward you at all............looks like Mich is on the muscle. Sorry Folks ! horsefly

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I know but its on my thread and I am going through something really bad now and I really did not have to come here and read that, but thats ok, your entitled to your opinion just like anyone else here...I just wrote that I wanted to cancel this thread here, maybe you did not read that? It is causing me alot of emotional pain rightnow, sorry bout that too.

September 19, 2007
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Sorry Survivor , Forgive me please. I did not read it nor meant to upset you........I forgot it was your thread. horsefly

September 19, 2007
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No problem, I am just in a bad place right now...thats all, your certainly entitled to post whatever you want here, its a pulbic forum horsefly.

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Survivor , Not much I could say , if I offended you in anyway, I surely did not mean to, I wish you all the best, horsefly

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No offense taken horsefly, be well.

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Thanks Survivor, I appreciate that, horsefly

September 19, 2007
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Shaney

I read another interesting - thing. There were at least two presidents that were not Masons. Lincoln and Kennedy.

Hockus Pockus- a boar with blemishes?

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(((((survivor))))

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Hi guys...thank you. I appreciate it, its late, time for bed, see you all in the am:)

Lincoln and Kennedy, yea we know what happened to them...its always the lone gunman who takes the fall, the unstable one, but we know deep down its so much more than that, don't we?

so many good people throuhout history who cared, who were genuine who had early deaths...good people always die young, so it seems...the evil ones seem to live forever, where is the justice in that? Where? There is none, not on this planet, never was and never will be.

Sorry to be so distraught here, safe hugs to all and goodnight:)

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Why bother...why even try...I am out of here. goodbye. be well all.

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I am going to add something here that wasn't brought up and that is the "Bilderberg Meetings" that are held once a year since 1954.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wki/Li....._attendees

(Hope the link goes through)

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(((truthbtold))) thanks!!!

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Wow. I hadn't heard of Bilderberg. From this site
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/mag.....773019.stm

"One of the first places I heard about the determination of US forces to attack Iraq was from leaks that came out of the 2002 Bilderberg meeting," says Mr Gosling."

There are a couple of perspectives in the entire article.

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there are several websites devoted to the old "Bilderberg" group. Gotta love it.

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Information on Ritual Abuse

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Ritual Abuse and Secret Societies Information Outline

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Please do not copy or re-use without permission. All rights reserved. Copyright 2000 S.M.A.R.T. Our listing these resources does not necessarily constitute our endorsement of them. Please use caution while reading, it may be triggering.

Resources mentioned in this list are mentioned for educational value only. Using these resources may or may not help your recovery process, so use caution when reading anything or contacting anyone mentioned in this resource list. Some may have a religious or other agenda that may be separate from your own recovery process. Some may not believe in the existence of MPD-DID or may not be comfortable dealing with survivors. Others may have valuable information, but may have triggers or be sympathetic to secret societies. All accusations are alleged.

What is Ritual Abuse?

"...is methodical abuse, often using indoctrination, aimed at breaking the will of another human being. In a 1989 report, the Ritual Abuse Task Force of the L.A. County Commission for Women defined ritual abuse as: "Ritual Abuse usually involves repeated abuse over an extended period of time. The physical abuse is severe, sometimes including torture and killing. The sexual abuse is usually painful, humiliating, intended as a means of gaining dominance over the victim. The psychological abuse is devastating and involves the use of ritual indoctrination. It includes mind control techniques which convey to the victim a profound terror of the cult members ...most victims are in a state of terror, mind control and dissociation" (Pg. 35-36) "Safe Passage to Healing", by Chrystine Oksana, 1994, HarperCollins, 1-800-822-4090

What are Secret Societies?

Some secret societies allegedly practice ritual abuse. "Cults practicing ritual abuse exist as a secret society....Secret societies compete for membership with established organizations. Therefore, they have to offer something not accommodated by the establishment: wealth, power, fame, sex, drugs, security, promise of salvation or eternal life....There can be secret societies within secret societies." (Pg. 48) "Safe Passage to Healing"

What is a Cult?

Here is a summary of 10 themes of cult membership Stephen Hassan listed in "Combatting Cult Mind Control" from Park Street Press, Rochester, VT.

1) The Doctrine is Reality - The cult's beliefs allow no interpretation or other theories.

2) Reality is Black and White, Good Versus Evil - no outside group is valid, "no room for
interpretation"

3) Elitist Mentality - they are the chosen ones

4) Group Will Over Individual Will - "the self must submit to the group" "conformity is
good"

5) Strict Obedience: Modeling the Leader - the leader is imitated by everyone

6) Happiness through good performance - behaviors are controlled by shaming,
competition

7) Manipulation through fear and guilt - includes exit phobias, the devil, God, communism,
etc. will hurt you

8) Emotional highs and lows - from great productivity to crashing (due to individual's
inadequacies)

9) Changes in Time Orientation - pre-cult life is bad, the present is crucial (pressure to meet
quotas, etc.)

10) No Way Out - There is never a legitimate reason for leaving

Cults also use "love bombing," lots of flattery early on to "suck people in". In ritual abuse, fear is used much more often, especially with children. Torture is often used to control peoples' minds (allowing suggestions to enter the mind), causing DID, instead of fatigue and lectures, though fatigue and starvation may also be used. Ritual abuse suggestions are planted in alternate personalities. A person in the cult may have one belief system for work and day-time society and another for the cult at night.

Hassan's book (which doesn't discuss ritual abuse) explains how to recognize and avoid cults. They are often dishonest, having a hidden agenda.

The Connection: Secret Societies and Ritual Abuse

'"Violent cults that ritually abuse children use a variety of belief systems to justify their acts. Some belief systems are based on the idea of needing to understand both good and evil in order to reach spiritual enlightenment....members engage in all evil acts imaginable in an attempt to understand the nature of evil. Some violent cults believe in supreme evil powers...to gain supernatural power...people practice ritual abuse ...to worship the evil forces....other belief systems ...of creating a superior white race....these cults believe they must torture and ritually abuse children ...to create a "stronger" breed of humans...some...are based on worshipping the cycles of nature..." (Pg. 123) "Ritual Abuse" - Margaret Smith, 1993, HarperCollins

When trauma alters brain chemistry, perceptions of reality change. Ancient magicians believed a victim's response was a mystical or magical experience. Now this is called "dissociation". Some Gnostics believed that Satan was the God of the Old Testament. "In the Middle Ages, some secret societies and fraternal organizations were accused by the Catholic church of practicing a violent, sexualized mass." (pg 135, Smith) The Cathars and Knights Templar were two of these groups. The Knights Templar were accused of desecrating the cross, and anointing it with parts of infants. Some confessions were obtained by torture.

The Illuminati, a dualist philosophy (associated with Satanism) developed in the 18th century. Some people believe they infiltrated secret societies including Freemasonry. 67% of survivors in M. Smith's study said their ritual abuse perpetrators belonged to either secret societies or fraternal organizations (33% of alleged perpetrators were Masons).

The Masons

In "Cult and Ritual Abuse" by J. Noblitt and P. Perskin, 1995, Praeger Pub, 1-800-225-5800, there is a discussion in Chapter 10, Investigating Western Occultism about Gnosticism and its connection to secret societies. Alchemists might have created alter personalities, to "stay young" (child alters) or "become immortal", pass down their traits to others in their alters.

Luciferian cults (where God is capable of good and evil) are described by some of their patients. Many of these patients have alleged ritual abuse where Masonic ceremonies, items or members were there. A symbol of The Order of the Eastern Star (female branch of the Masons) is an inverted pentagram.

Some believe Masonry has promoted Gnostic thinking. Albert Pike (33 degree Mason) ties the Masons to Jacques de Molay of the Knights Templar. Some believe the Masons may have helped create the Hell Fire Club (Black Masses) and the Illuminati. Some believe the KKK can be traced to a group made up of some Masons and derived rites and symbols from the Masons. "Many survivors of ritual abuse allege traumatic experiences associated with what they believe to be KKK activities, and many of these describe the KKK as a cult." (Pg, 103, Noblitt and Perskin) Some people believe the following were Masons: Aleister Crowley (alleged ritual human sacrifice, O.T.O., Golden Dawn), Dr. W. W. Wescott (Golden Dawn), Karl Kellner and Theodore Reuss (O.T.O.), alleged MAFIA connection, Mazzini.

Ann-Marie Germain, 1993 thesis, (S.M.A.R.T. Issue #1), discusses alleged Masonic Ritual Abuse. "Understanding Ritual Abuse" a study of 33 R.A.'s, (from R.A. Project, 431 Auburn Blvd #215, Sacr, Ca. 95841), survivors name two groups they believe perpetrators belonged to, Masons (27%), Knights of Columbus (9%), other groups mentioned were: Rosicrucians, Eastern Star, Shriners.

In "The Egyptian Masonic Satanic Connection" by David Carrico, available from Followers of Jesus Christ, P O Box 4174, Evansville, In. 47724, Nimrod (Tower of Babel) is great according to the Masons. Masons' mystery religion comes in part from Ancient Babylon, borrowing occult symbols, paraphernalia and candles. It is claimed that the Masonic history book has pictures of Ashtoreth, Dagon, Baal (associated by some with human sacrifices) and the Satanic Goat of Mendes. The Masons move up by degrees. 1st degree Masons are allegedly threatened with the loss of life if they divulge any secrets.

Albert Pike, "Father of Modern Masonry" Pike discusses connections of Masonry to the occult in "Morals and Dogma" (a pro-Masonic book). S.M.A.R.T. (newsletter) also has numerous letters from people alleging Masonic ritual abuse.

Eastern Star

Founded by a Mason, only women related to Master Masons may join. The degree system is connected to changed Biblical stories, where in two stories it is believed torture or human sacrifice are alluded to. The pentagram is Eastern Star's symbol. It is claimed by some that Youth groups, Job's Daughter, Rainbow girls, DeMolays are "feeder groups" for the Masons. Source: "The Masonic Connection: Hidden Secrets of the Eastern Star" by Cathy Burns, available from: Spring Arbor 1-800-395-2682

From another book of Cathy's, "Hidden Secrets of Masonry", Albert Pike allegedly states that Masonry intentionally misleads Masons (hidden agenda). J.S.M. Ward (A Mason) writes that Osiris (Egyptian God, human sacrifices, Egyptian God of the dead) saved mankind. She mentions that the gods of Masonry allegedly represent SATAN in different costumes.

Albert Pike talks about Lucifer bearing the light. The word "Illuminati" is derived from Lucifer. The Illuminati were dedicated to a "New World Order". The back of the dollar bill has a pyramid with the all seeing eye on it, Roman numerals with the starting date of the Illuminati and the words "New World Order" in Latin. Some believe that most of the Presidents were Masons.

Other good sources on the Masons are:

(some of these books may be Christian in nature)

"The Deadly Deception" by Jim Shaw and Tom McKenney from Words of Living Ministries, P O Box 413, Marion, KY 42064.

"Masonry Beyond the Light" by William Schnoebelen, With One Accord, P O Box 457, Dubuque, IA 52004-0457

"The Dark Side of Freemasonry" (collection of articles) Saints Alive in Jesus, P O Box 1076, Issaquah, WA 98027

"Secret and Suppressed" ed. by Jim Keith, 1993, Feral House, political connections

The article, "Deviant Scripturalism and Ritual Satanic Abuse Part Two: Possible Masonic, Mormon, Magick and Pagan Influences" by Stephen Kent, (Pub. in Religion ) U of Alberta, Dept of Soc, Faculty of Arts, 5-21 HM Tory Building, Edm, Canada, T6G 2H4.

(For a more exhaustive list, S.M.A.R.T. has a long resource list available via E-mail or snail mail Click here for Resource List )

The Mormons

The following information from Kent's article: "deviant Mormons" may misinterpret includes Cain receiving secret empowering teachings from Satan, the Gadianton robbers using "secret combinations" (which include "secret murder") to gain worldly power.

The Utah Lighthouse Ministry, P O Box 1884, Salt Lake City, UT 84110 has excellent information on the Mormons and alleged ritual abuse. In "Evolution of the Mormon Temple Ceremony 1842- 1990" by Jerald and Sandra Tanner it is shown that Joseph Smith was originally a Mason. Many parallels are shown between the two groups (Mormon and Mason) and many rituals were allegedly borrowed.

In "Satanic Ritual Abuse and Mormonism" (Tanners), 60 victims in the Mormon church discuss seeing or participating in alleged ritual abuse activities (this number could possibly include 800 total participants, the number of people in each survivors' story added together).

The stories of Betty Rhoton and Merradyth McCallister describe alleged ritual abuse in the Mormon church, the Mormon church may have attempted to cover up McCallister's story, and ex-communicated her from the church. Their stories include alleged torture, ritual abuse, and mind control. McCallister also had relatives in the Masons and Eastern Star. For more information, see S.M.A.R.T. Issue #6 or our resource list.

There is more information in S.M.A.R.T.'s back issues. Click here for SMARTNEWS' Back Issue Info.

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This is something intereeting to read, use what you can, throw out what you don't agree with, but it does give some food for thought here, alot in my own opinion. Be well and be safe.

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Someone brought up traumatic bonds and how they are harder for victims to get out of abusive relationships cause the bond is tighter...I found this very very interesting, I agree wholeheartly too.

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I'm on a break from studying. What an article!! I'm going to have to wait till later to look at it. I don't believe in the Judeo-Christian god or his arch-enemy Lucifer aka Satan, but the references to Baal and Isis caught my eye.

I have heard of the elements and symbols of Baal worship in the Masonic stuff. Baal is also mentioned in the Old Testament of the bible, and I have also read a little about the cult of Osiris (a mystery religion) kind of evolving into the Rosicruceans, hence the name Mystery Religions.

Have you ever been able to talk to anyone about your church experiences, or those when you were a Rainbow girl?

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I do not remember them, but my brother does, and told me some...I have talked to Ladeska and a T bout this, and they both helped me a great deal..My T was not a christian but a Wiccan and that I think was helpful to me, made me feel safer.

I don't believe in the devil either here, think I did mention that to some degree, at least for the most part I don't but some days I think it might be true, I have pretty much written off the whole christian religion or any for that matter.

Well, I am not sure what you call it, but I do believe there is something evil..something dark, a force maybe...that I am beginning to think exists but not sure it is the devil the bible talks of.

And the Christian church talks against this but I am convinced this is a cover up..I believe they created their own enemy here, for many reasons, I believe they are very much masonic, most anyhow and that they wanted to throw people off, I wish i could elborate more here, will try too anyhow.

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Most of it is bout coming to an enlightened place, but again you must believe in a GOD, any GOD but you will not be allowed to join their organization if you are an unbeliever...your considered unfit for many reasons here.

And when I was approached to join, it was at a time when you had to be related or referred from someone and you do have to be voted in too. I can remember a group of guys who used to try to get into our building while we stood around and waited to begin...we always wore white dresses, and it was always a big deal. They used to heckle us and tell us we were worshipping the devil and it always made us laugh but I used to wonder why thought that too.

They were really cool guys I thought back then too, in their black leather coats, hanging around drinking beer..then again I was 14 years old...I used to wish I could hang with them...they always hang out and tried to get a look inside.

But that is all I will talk bout here, cause that is all I really remember here, again the meetings were boring, but knowing who they are afflicated with here, and who sponors them, makes me wonder much here and I won't be too shocked here...after all my church was evil, many in my hometown were, most were into this and good well respected elders of our church.

so there you go.

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I encourage people however to do their own research, not to just read what I found and pasted here, but to go and research it out for themselves to critically think here and to dare to explore.

That is the problem we have in our country...people want a sermon and only want to go once a week to hear it and then go mindnumb the rest of the week, cause its what we learn from the craddle, we are lazy and we are sheep..yes. Including myself.

So, that is all I am going to say here, i prolly said too much, infact I am feeling a bit unsafe with what I had posted, many people have ended up dead saying less, so I know the risk here, but that is ok, its worth it, but that is it here, for now, I encourage others to use their own brains and wisdom, if they dare2c it.

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