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February 17, 2009
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Well, convicts can get free medical, dental, psychiatric care. AND have the opportunity to get college degrees - right there from the pokey.

When I lived in Az, the homeless people made their way out there from the East in droves - because the winter climate was kinder and because it was easier at that time to get addresses so they could qualify for welfare.

Sucks don't it?

February 17, 2009
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A couple of weeks ago, on another site a thread was started about Obama's speech. The thread, which got way sidetracked by old issues and bad energy from the site, was started to discuss Obama's challenge to the American people. What can you do? Well, like I said, it got sidetracked, but it got me thinking about what I could do. Just me. What can I do to help the economy? What little changes could we all make?

The only thing I can think of is to buy American made products to help those companies stay in business. That's gonna be difficult - those prices are higher. I can't boycott gas because I work out of town and there isn't anyone to carpool with. I always try to shop locally when possible, wherever I live, to put my money into the community I live in. Until recently. When the price of gas got so high, I had to figure out how much each trip to town cost me, and it saved me gas to shop at Wmart. Ima have to boycott that, and it will cut down on my free time. I'll have to drive further to the grocer, the pharmacy, etc. None of it is one stop shopping and some of these places are distances from each other. I'm rural.

I think about tech support. It's common practice now for companies to have customer service after 7 or 8 pm out of India or Pakistan. I have learned that if I have trouble with my pc, internet, phone, etc, and need to have someone that I can understand, and can understand me then I need to call during the day. I have complained to these companies(yeah believe it or not, I'm a complainer!!!), but it has been explained to me that this is the trend- it's cheaper than training and paying an American. There are things we can't fight, or it seems fruitless to me.

Where can we start? Any other suggestions?

February 17, 2009
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Oh, I know, Bevdee. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, yes, there's a whole lot of family interdependence among the Mexican, Ecuadorian etc. culture...but overdependence on family can cause its own problems sometimes.

February 18, 2009
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Believe me, you're all singing to the choir when it comes to government programs being unfair to those who put the most money into them, but seem to just give it away to those who don't. But it still boils down to the government being at fault. If the government is going to give it away, there are always going to be takers. Americans of any ethnicity, who have made welfare a way of life are just as guilty as illegal immigrants for taking from our system and not giving back. There are plenty of run down parts of our cities crawling with people who live off of this shitty system, and never have any intention of getting a job or bettering themselves. As long as they can work the system, why not hang out with your buddies on your front lawn all day, drinking beer and slinging drugs? My only point is that, at least many of these immigrants are hard working people. They're working jobs that no one else would do, for a very small amount of money. They may be sending it home to Mexico, but our own government has been selling off chunks of America, piece by piece to foreign countries for years. It's all just gross. I hate the immigration problem here in California, but I admire a good work ethic when I see one.

February 18, 2009
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The governemnt makes deals with other govs to get what they want.They trade off our resources without our consent. It's the same in Canada.

The immigrant problem was obviously a backroom deal made by USA, Canada and Mexico so our richer nations can take adavantge of the Mexican growing season, land, cheap labour Market, tourism lack of regulations and controls in manufacturing..what else? Our countries turn a blind eye to the influx of immigrants to keep the deals going.

Everythings up for grabs and we aren't benefitting, just the corps and politicians. Part of maintaining the social system ( welfare, medicaid, OHIP, retraining programs, etc) is to prevent people from getting so desperate they revolt.

I don't know the details, but deals were made and the working class suffer for it.

More quick fixes that leave and create a big mess!

February 24, 2009
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I hear you MsG. I think pretty much the same thing. This government has worked hard at keeping the classes right where they want them, giving them just enough to keep them from kicking up any dirt. And I also believe that they could put a stop to the immigration problem any time that they want to, but they don't. I've always thought that at some point the liberals, once in the White House would just grant amnesty to all of the illegals, just for the vote. This morning I heard on the radio that the president was considering ways of making the the process for illegal aliens to become citizens, less expensive and less time consuming. Oh my GOD.

SD - do you listen to John and Ken on KFI 640? They're trying to organize a gigantic rally in Riverside for citizens to stand up against these crazy tax increases and crazy politicians who back them. I'd love to see it happen - I'd go. It seems that we're all being pushed in that direction.

February 24, 2009
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Hi Shaney: No, I hadn't heard that but I sure would like to see more people speaking up. I'd love to see all of these politicians outed next time their up for re-election. I can't STAND Nancy Pelosi.

As for illegals, the Latino vote is so huge and so impt no one wants to rock the boat and lose that. Look at mayor Tony V- they think he's a GOD. Even tho he's a lying, cheating, womanizing slimeball. Yeah, one of our great leaders of the time!

sd

February 24, 2009
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Hey Shaney!

I hear life is pretty good in Mendicino County! Talk about a Home Grown movement and doing yer own thang!

If Napa Valley can be so prosperous why not the "Emerald Triangle?" HA!

Besides. The only way people are going to make money and the economy will recover is by opening up new avenues of business.Challenge and dismantle the old monopolies!

That rally sounds like a good place to direct and release some energy. Tapping on a keyboard can only do so much!

February 24, 2009
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I'm originally from the central coast and grew up with lots of wine. Wine seems to be happening all over California now, which is fine by me! The old Emerald Triangle may be doing well but that's a little far for me to commute. I drive enough here in LA.

It's becoming impossible to start or maintain a business here in California. The taxes are outrageous, rents are horrible ... it's out of control. People are shutting down their businesses, walking away from their homes, and moving to other states. In 2007 alone, several hundred thousand middle class people moved out of California alone. It's just gross.

Anyway, I'll be well in to my first glass of wine in less than two and a half hours, and counting. :o)

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