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February 13, 2009
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lovin life - I'm cracking up right now, because that makes perfect sense.

February 13, 2009
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I'ld type but ......

Each time i try to add to the subject i have to clean the puke from my keyboard.( as if my typing skills need more keyboard speed bumps)

So there ya go!

All of us who are de-stimulated, de-moted, de-moralized, de-seminated (!?) may as well start a website to garner donations.

The internet creates such opportunities eh!

February 13, 2009
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Talk about sick. She is banking on money from a network like TLC where she can have a show. I don't understand how any sane person could have kids just because she is lonely. Even sadder is people are supporting her saying she is a good mother. Clearly it isn't the case.

February 13, 2009
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Shaney
That website made me puke. How sick is that. She chose to be in that predicament. Yet I didn't choose to have to pay for it.

February 13, 2009
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oops.wrong thread.

February 13, 2009
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Billy - I KNOW! Can you believe the NERVE of that crazy woman? After all of the public opposition and even DEATH threats, she is STILL asking for money.

BTW, I know this sounds insane on my part, but I noticed that she has acrylic nails too... which aren't cheap. hahahhhahhaaa!

February 13, 2009
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She has her number on there, it is stupid. I just don't get it. I hope tlc and anyone else does not buy into it. I mean the duggars at least support themselves, sure they may get money from their show, but Im not paying for it.

IT is a joke. She deserves the death threats and hell if someone happens to kill her, oh well. I am paying for her kids anyways. Mine as well cut the mother out of it. I had a conversation the other day where someone said she was a good mother and all this other crap.

February 14, 2009
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Yes? I'm here now!

February 14, 2009
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So you, Guest, are a "stimulating package"? Right on, man. Good self-esteem. Thanks for showing up!

Happy V-Day!

BAM

February 14, 2009
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Oh I can vent on this topic!

The banks got billions of dollars of taxpayer money with no strings attached. So instead of making that money available to struggling and perspective homeowners, they invested over in China. Where is a brain cell in this? If somebody gave me 200k to bail me out of my foreclosing home, I wouldn't spend the 200k on the upside down value. I'd go buy another house for 200k and not have to pay any mortgage at all, versus paying 200k towards this 400k house and paying on the remainder after re-financing.

Seems the solution would be for the government to buy these upside down houses for the loan amounts due, and then re-sell them back to the homeowner for the current assessed value. Then people wouldn't walk away and the banks wouldn't be in trouble.

Regarding miss babymaker. WTF! I've got kids! Nobody is taking care of them but ME! Government can't figure out how to make my kids dad pay child support but they can figure out how to take my hard earned money to pay support to somebody else's kid that I had NO SAY OR PART IN BIRTHING!

That's not just happening with miss babymaker. It's happening with all the Hispanics coming over the border into California. California taxpayers do not make enough money to provide health care, food, education, and housing for the all the citizens of Mexico! Can't anybody see that? I'm not trying to be mean or racist, but there is NOT ENOUGH money to care for Mexico. Even if ya took every penny every californian made, we can't fully support another country in addition to ourselves and that's what it's come down to.

I'm starting to hate this country I really am.

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February 15, 2009
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Well I didn't mean to kill the thread by venting lol

February 15, 2009
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This thread can take any direction it wants to take. I feel fortunate to have a job, a house, and an ex who pays his child support. Were my circumstances different, I'd be frustrated, angry, and afraid. As far as immigrants go, they do much of the work Americans don't want to do. I'm in Texas.

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February 16, 2009
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I now the immigrants do work Americans wont do Mary. And I know they come here to seek a better life, and that's what the Statue of Liberty is all about, and what this country is supposed to be all about. Perhaps I just want somebody to blame, and that's not fair.

If I had the answers I'd make alot more money than I do.

I just feel like I'm spinning my wheels and it's so darned frustrating.

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February 17, 2009
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I really hate hearing that undocumented immigrants do the jobs "Americans won't do". I'd be happy to wash dishes, clean houses, or deliver takeout -- but not for $5 an hour, because people cannot live off of that today. It's simple math. Take your own or anyone else's expenses that you know, and see how much it takes for you to just break even.

I'm sorry I'M venting, but when I hear or read that phrase it just frustrates me.

As for the octuplet woman -- selfish, selfish, selfish. Her mother should refuse to support her, and all 14 of the children should be placed in GOOD homes.

February 17, 2009
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Lots of people do their own dishes and yardwork. People that are busy or rich pay wetbacks to do this work because they don't charge as much. Our dollar is worth more to them in Mexico, and they're sending it back there, while they live here as cheaply as possible.

Those people that pay illegals to do the work wouldn't pay the going rate to citizens. And I think that's execrable, because the money doesn't go back into the US economy, and because I think it's kind of demeaning to the humans from across the Rio.

But. I shop at W-mart because it's cheap. I buy and use products that are probably made by children in Asian countries. I don't look for American products, I go for cheap because the economy sucks, and I have to save money wherever I can. That money goes back to China's, Thailand's, wherever's economy. We as consumers are supporting that while our own economy is flailing.

I don't do yard work, because I am allergic to so many pollens, and I get sick just from being outside when a yard is being mowed somewhere in the neighborhood. . I don't hire the illegals to do it, though. I prefer ex-cons who want to be paid in cash. They work cheaper, too.

So, I guess I am a hypocrite, but I can look at these redneck boys and know that, whatever they did to be an ex-anything, they probably aren't sending the money across the river. It will go back into the economy, it just won't be taxed.

February 17, 2009
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There's lots of issues here but one thing about the foreigners, that come over illegally or are subsidized with work permits from the gov, hired temporarily by manufacturers or farmers, is they aren't as selfish as us.

Those Mexicans are crossing the border because with free trade, and pressure from the states, the peasants have had their land taken away with promises of good jobs in the cities. They had their land stolen, they were bribed or lied to.
It's because of our capitalist system this "illegal immigrant" problem has become worse.

They used to be more self sufficient,the majority were farmers that had small self sustaining plots, and didn't need to come here but now so many have no choice.

It's either find work on the Mexican farms that export to us, work for tourists, or live in shanty towns outside of the major cities and tourist sites, in the filth, thieving, begging, prostituting etc.

Here,they will live in supplied housing on the farms, in bunk beds, sharing a space with others or do the same in the cities. They help each other and work as a team. They cook together and share meals, taking containers to work, have picnic style breaks, lunches, and support eachother in a way I never see "my people" do.

You can read about the Land reform history here, and find out WHY this is happening. AGAIN< blame your gov and the greedy corps! http://www.nationmaster.com/en.....-in-Mexico

When i work occasioanlly in Nurseries I meet a lot of immigrant workers. They are so great to talk to, have generous hearts and i found them far more civilized than some of Canadians I worked with......We are SELFISH and cagey!

We all want our own "space" and luxury compaired to them. Many of us who aren't married live alone, rather than with extended families, or with room-mates. Everything is MeMEME! Loyalty and comradery are out the window.

There's lots of illegal immigrant workers in Canada too but I don't see them as the problem at all.

Sure there are always some rotten ones in the bunch but they don't corner the market on bad behaviour.

Everyone does what they can , what works for them, But I boycott so many companies. That's my payback. That's how i try to initiate change and take back some power.

I won't shop at Walmart and never will. That's my choice and I'm sticking to it.
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February 17, 2009
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Aside from the immigration problem (in which our government is definitely to blame), Americans can all stand to learn something from immigrant workers, or the Mexican people. Mainly, their sense of family, friends, living within their means, and strong WORK ETHIC. There are 25 workers in our warehouse, some of which I'm sure are illegal, and there are only 4 cars in the parking lot. They will drive miles out of their way, and pack 5 people into one vehicle, to save money on gas. We complain about traffic and the cost of gas, but I don't know one person, personally, who commutes to work with someone else. These people will leave here after working 10 hours, then to go to a second job and work another 8. They agree to work every Saturday and holiday if they're needed, without notice, in order to make time and a half - which is only $12 an hour. I have several friends who have been laid off from their $50 an hour jobs, who would rather NOT work, than accept a job making $12 an hour. There are plenty of jobs to be had, by all of these jobless Americans - but I don't know one, personally, who would work 14 hours a day for $8 an hour. Immigrant workers view a job, ANY job, as a privilege and an opportunity - a way of supporting their families and taking care of their elders - a way of providing a simple life for themselves. I love America, and work my ass off for what I have. But I don't know that I truly appreciate it like someone who has had to move from their home country just to survive.

Gotta get back to work.

February 17, 2009
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I'm hearing what people are saying here, but...let's get back to the reason that brought a good number of us to this forum for a sec...spousal abuse, parental abuse, etc. These "hardworking family men" from Mexico oftentimes continue to impregnate their wives over and over, and the wives do not get a choice, either when it comes to the sexual intercourse OR when it comes to having the kid. The amount of domestic violence in these communities is significant, however we don't often hear about it because the women are scared to come forward because they will get deported...

If I COULD work for $12/hr, believe me I would. Many jobs I see posted for that much sound challenging and interesting. However, my below-below-market rate apartment (where walls are peeling and there isn't a proper stove) costs $800 per month, my transport (I don't own a car) is about $150, and so on. I'm a single person without children -- imagine I HAD kids?

It is not that we are selfish and WON'T take these jobs. Most of us CAN'T.

MsG -- I don't have time right now to look at all of your links, but I will try to print something out to read on the train. Mexico is not the Middle East -- why are people not rising up and resisting these changes that led to their farms being taken away?

February 17, 2009
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I hate the way I write sometimes. I hope I didn't sound too scattered...

February 17, 2009
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Well, I've worked my ass off too- to provide medical care for the illegals, to educate their children, to feed their children,to put the illegal criminals in jail and provide for them while they're there- thru the taxes I have paid.

I've paid my car insurance so that when one of them hits me (with no drivers license or insurance) I am covered- and that makes my insurance higher. And yes, I HAVE been hit by one of them and had to pay my deductible for the privlege of having insurance.

There are positives and negatives to the equation. If they were supporting our system and contributing more to pay for the services they receive at the expense of the taxpayer- then maybe that would be a case to drop the subject.

But I'm afraid thats not the case.

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February 17, 2009
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SD that's a very good point. If only our taxes went to help us. I smoke. In the last 12 years, the price of cigarettes has gone up and up and up. All in taxes, state, city. While drug plans have gotten more affordable. I have wondered if my cigarette taxes (a stimulus implemented with the Clinton admin) helps people addicted to prescription drugs get their fixes cheaper.

Part of the new bold stimulus plan is another cigarette tax that will go into effect in Mid March 60 cents a pack. I wish they would tax alcohol as much. I think they should tax the churches. How bout percent? 1 percent of all the money the churches make to go back to the government - imagine.

SpecialK, I think you have to look at the culture the illegals come from to understand their reproductive choices. It's predominantly Catholic, and Catholics other than Americans usually adhere to the no birth control rules the Catholic Church holds.

February 17, 2009
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Sd..good points.

The price we pay for globalization?

Either way the pressures mount for the working people, no matter who they are, and the ones who are off the books, floating around don't get dragged into that. Work under the table, be an illegal resident and if disaster hits the fix will be "free".

Imagine how it is in Canada with our Public Health system. The insurance buffer isn't as prevalent. Either way it comes out of the tax payers pockets.

If they get hurt, the "state" pays.

Desperate people do desperate acts.

UGH!

February 17, 2009
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Tax the Churches! Got my vote there.

February 17, 2009
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Oh yeah, health care. I pay for my own health insurance ( I am self employed) and usually have no health problems. But last year I had occasion to go to the emergency room to the tune of over $1000. And thats because I had health insurance. If I hadn't and had been poor (and illegal), I probably wouldn't have had to pay a cent.

Maybe 10 years ago when my sister was homeless, she was turned away from the ER with a broken arm. She HAD been employed before, is a US citizen, etc. But citizens don't have the same privleges.

And, now I am hearing that illegals have more access to state colleges than do out of STATE citizens- or at least the out of staters have to pay a premium. So....that means illegals in your own state have preference over CITIZENS from other STATES.

Am I dreaming?? Or is this
C R A Z Y??

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