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Song of Songs Ch.1 A Spiritual Teaching
January 14, 2007
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The song of songs, which is Solomon's.

Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.

Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.

I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou makest thy flock to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?

If thou know not, O thou fairest among women, go thy way forth by the footsteps of the flock, and feed thy kids beside the shepherds' tents.

I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in Pharaoh's chariots.

Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.

We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver.

While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof.

A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

My beloved is unto me as a cluster of camphire in the vineyards of Engedi.

Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.

Behold, thou art fair, my beloved, yea, pleasant: also our bed is green.

The beams of our house are cedar, and our rafters of fir.

January 14, 2007
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It gets even better.

I love chapter 4.

Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.

Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep that are even shorn, which came up from the washing; whereof every one bear twins, and none is barren among them.

Thy lips are like a thread of scarlet, and thy speech is comely: thy temples are like a piece of a pomegranate within thy locks.

Thy neck is like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields of mighty men.

Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies.

Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, I will get me to the mountain of myrrh, and to the hill of frankincense.

Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.

Come with me from Lebanon, my spouse, with me from Lebanon: look from the top of Amana, from the top of Shenir and Hermon, from the lions' dens, from the mountains of the leopards.

hou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.

How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!

Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.

A garden inclosed is my sister, my spouse; a spring shut up, a fountain sealed.

Thy plants are an orchard of pomegranates, with pleasant fruits; camphire, with spikenard,

Spikenard and saffron; calamus and cinnamon, with all trees of frankincense; myrrh and aloes, with all the chief spices:

A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon.

Awake, O north wind; and come, thou south; blow upon my garden, that the spices thereof may flow out. Let my beloved come into his garden, and eat his pleasant fruits.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts.....lomon.html

January 14, 2007
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help me understand what is being said here...is it a love song? I don't want to sound stupid but please help me.

January 14, 2007
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Yes what is this. Seems like a lot of historical fantasy babble to me.

"Thy two breasts are like two young roses that are twins, which feed among the lilies."

O.. kayyyyyy

Whats next? Thy's butt is like two fresh twin buns baked to perfection at 375'F? Sup.

January 14, 2007
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If you take out the "thous" and "thys" and all that stuff, translate it into simple english, all these 'holy' writings lose their appeal.

That means they had no appeal to begin with.

I could describe the trashcan in my kitchen, replace the phrase "piece of old tissue" with "rose" etc and it'll have the same result.

Thats why I hate this kind of stuff. Say it simply, or dont say it.

January 14, 2007
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Hi guest,

Obviously the thees and thous and thys are added by the translator.

Boy you really are a pot of venom today. Do you live for nothing but to spoil the pleasure and ridicule the love and goodness of other human beings?

How do you get along with women?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.....of_solomon

January 14, 2007
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The Song of Songs is from the old testament.

At one level it can be read as erotic poetry celebrating love and devotion between men and women.

A more esoteric reading interprets the "beloved" as God.

Different spiritual traditions bring up the idea that it is one thing to be all pious and holy and memorize a lot of sacred verses--but that it is how we treat each other--the quality of our love that reveals our state of grace, our level of spiritual growth.

January 17, 2007
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Worried_Dad.

I appreciate your appreciation of the Song of songs even though I am not a fan of the bible.

There are always going to be simpletons who decry beautiful works because they don't realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The converse is also true I feel. If you have shit in your eye then you will only see shit, I guess.

Alternatively, if one has a bad case of mental haemorroids caused by mental constipation and caused by passing verbal and written turds too big for the fundamental mental orifice through which they pass then even the Mona Lisa looks like mental shit.

Pity about that.

January 17, 2007
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I find the Song of Songs beautiful. Personally, though, I don't believe that God inspired it and it should never have gotten into the Bible. My guess is it was included because it was viewed as being an allegory of God's love for Israel. Either that, or some perverted rabbis got it included into the canon of the Old Testament.

January 17, 2007
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I love the song of Solomon it is absolutely beautiful. Thank you WD for posting this

January 18, 2007
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You know, I grew up with pretty traditional Christian teachings.

But the Hell thing turned me off--and the fundamentalism and some of the hateful stuff--and the idea that the Bible should be taken literally.

When I got into college I became an atheist.

What drew me back to spirituality, strangely enough, was science--especially biology--I learned about the oneness of all life. Terrestrial life anyway.

That oneness and connectedness theme influenced me a lot later on when I started working with and studying spirituality and religions.

As I got into actual study religions, and started to grasp esotericism, I realized that the Bible for example, could be read in at least two ways. It is a book with some great things, good things, some so-so things and some absolutely awful things in it.

And so it is with the culture of Christianity. There are lots of different way that Christian philosophy can be expressed in a person's life.

It's like scientific theories and experiments. You don't have to buy everything. And you ought not to.

I can take the Song of Songs and leave Leviticus. I can take the moral teachings and parables of Jesus and take the book of Genesis with a grain of salt or three.

And as I studied, I learned that the esoteric branches of major religions have a heck of a lot in common. It's not an original idea with me by the way--that idea is actually a pretty bog standard notion for esoteric scholars.

And that is how I sift the wheat from the chaff in religions. I look for consensus, common sense, realism, utility and humanity.

Now someone who is raised as a strict Catholic or Baptist (or someone who wants to criticize Christianity) might look at me and my interpretation of Christianity and say "that is NOT Christianity." They are entitled to their opinion. Me and others believe that our version is more on the money.

Ditto Islam.

January 18, 2007
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wd: "Me and others believe that our version is more on the money."

What's your version? and

who are the others?

MY version is right on the money wd.

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January 18, 2007
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and that is what makes us all so very diffrent I am a baptist I wasnt raised baptist infact I wasnt alowed to open up the bible that we owned but I later became one I dont belive that anyone including baptists have "religion" exactly right. But the way I see it is that I will find out what the truth is exactly when I get to heaven. I am not looking to have to defend my faith in this post so if someone doesnt reply nicely or I feel attacked I will not post back. Just to let you know.

January 18, 2007
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Hi Free,

Exactly: Everyone prefers their own version--unless they change their mind.

Alright, I have told you what my version of Christianity does NOT include, and I have told you the method that I use to interpret it with--esotericism and wise consensus.

For Christian philosophy I tend to focus on the teachings of Jesus.

The "Other" versions would include Catholicism and Baptist churches.

This page isn't too bad.

http://www.hermes-press.com/Pe.....ianity.htm

January 18, 2007
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In the grand scheme of things. I put the song of songs in the same category as a Shakespeare sonnet. they both use absolutely beautiful words to describe one of the basic feelings that humans need to survive--love.

They both are filled with sex--the way that it was intended--beautiful and full of love.

Poetry at its best in my opinion

(if only I could find someone to say those things about me sometime in the real world.)

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January 19, 2007
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To me, from an esoteric perspective:
The Song of Songs is a also paraphrase, a way of saying some other important things including:

0) No other Gods before me.

1) Love God, and love each other.

2) There is but one God, Allah.

3) Give unto Caesar...give unto man...

4) There is nothing that is not me.

January 19, 2007
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I think the Song of Solomon is a beautiful love story. Thank you WD for sharing such a story. Makes ya wish there could be such a relationship in today's life, and somewhere there probably is.

Not defending but to share w/ ya'll a little of who I am...

I was raised Baptist, although when the pastor's wife and I had a falling out when I was a teen my dad told me I could attend ANY church that was based on the teachings of Jesus as long as I attended weekly.

I have looked at the doctrines of several different denominations and I can find something in each that I do not agree w/. Therefore, I spoze I am a Bible believer. To me this is God's word and to me this is how I should live according to the teachings of Jesus.

I agree w/ RW that I don't think any religion has it quite right and we'll find out what that right is when we get to Heaven.

January 19, 2007
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I like the Songs too, very musically poetic. But if someone I was in love with compared my teeth to the flocks of a goat...that wouldn't go over to well!

January 19, 2007
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omw,

What if you were a shepherd and he compared your flock of goats to your teeth ... would you like that better? :o)

January 19, 2007
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seek.. too funny.
ONLY, if they were all lined up in a row. But if I were a Shepherd-ess, my goats would be every which way...I'm afraid goats are not my thang. I don't even know what goats do, I have never seen a flock of goats.

January 19, 2007
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When my aunt met my hubby she told him I was good work horse material. Embarassed I was, but it is a high compliment from old farm folks here. So maybe goats were of high esteem to the shepherd. As far as i know they eat and poop, Maybe their teeth were as white as ivory and worth lots. Hard to say.

January 19, 2007
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Ok, so I didn't mean literally----I hope my teeth don't look like goats...I spent a lot of money on braces during my lifetime... but you guys are really funny.

What I mean is I have never been in a relationship where the guy sat and told me how beautiful I was.

Of course, something has to be said that I always tend to find the wrong kind of people to date.

January 19, 2007
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I think I would find after my history with men that this was all just a line.

January 19, 2007
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Dustpuff!

A line? Do you mean the whole Song of S? Or just the goat teeth line? Too funny.

January 19, 2007
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I think that if there were guys in bars that said some of the stuff in song of songs instead of some of the crappy lines that I have heard, at least I would laugh a little bit more.

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