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socialized medicine?
July 21, 2007
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This was very interesting Kroika.

I think what people are afraid of in America is having a healthcare beurocracy that gets so bad that it's virtually unfixable, let alone understandable. Like education. There's virtually nothing citizens can do to enact change- the bog of political and government procedure is astoundingly thick and muddy.

I think if there was some explanation of how it would work, and how much it would cost, people in opposition would be more open to it.

For example: a Federal Medicine Board would be created, consuming ____ percent of available tax revenue recieved. Clinics would be created, cosuming _____ percent of available tax revenue. Doctor to patient ratios would be ____ to ____, representing the half way point between private doctor to patient ratios and current HMO doctor to patient ratios. etc.

But to say to an American: Trust the government to take care of your healthcare needs. ummm.....

That's gonna get some heated opposition. ya know? Even if ya say - Look, so and so's government is doing a good job! That's just comparing apples and oranges.

I've been reading about the insurance thing under socialized medicine- Only one national insurance company- against the law for private insurance companies to conduct business in that country. Now does this insurance company make a profit? Kuz if it's not making a profit, why even have it? Insurance companies spend lots of money maximizing profit and minimizing losses- they hire actuaries- statistician experts who make bookoo-bucks to assess risk. Wouldn't just a government entity that manages tax revenues for medical care suffice- kuz really, the collection and redstribution of funds is really what's going on.

no?

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July 21, 2007
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free,

You bring up some excellent points. Just because socialized medicine works in one country, it doesn't mean it will work in the U.S. You are so right about the education debacle we have here. I think if the govt takes over health care, it will even be a bigger mess. The bureaucracy is so deeply imbedded in our country, that it is beyond fixable short of a revolt by the taxpayers. Too much government is the worst thing there is. Just think of universal health care being as complicated and messed up as the IRS. Does anyone really want to create another monster of that magnitude?

I also agree on that needing a national insurance company to handle the finances for universal health care is totally redundant.

I think if we can just follow the money, see who is exploiting the public regarding health care, and if those sources can be capped, we would be able to get a handle on this baby. Creating more bureaucracy won't cure the basic problem.

July 22, 2007
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I hear what you're saying Loralei- but how could we go about some kind of discovery process regarding exploitation? I don't know if I'd trust a government institution to study and report on it, and that would seem to just add fuel to the fire.

IMO, the government is there to maintain our country's freedom and protect our constitution. People are capable of the rest.

I've definitely had it with the lawsuit crap. Enough of the juries- a panel of judges should be deciding these cases- like Japan's legal system. But that's a whole other discussion- our legal system.

I was searching for a neutral comparison between Canada and America regarding healthcare and found an interesting comparison on wikepedia- but wouldn't ya know it the neutrality is contested.

Nevertheless, I found it insightful. The very problems I'm afraid of- they appear to exist. but ya know Loralei- we're gonna have to do something soon- we can't keep going the way we are. Here's the link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.....s_compared

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July 22, 2007
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Hey now there's a thought- let the individual state's take care of their people.

In California, we have low cost medi-cal, no cost medi-cal, and Schwarzenegger's new Healthy Families insurance policies (I'm trying to get this one for my kids!)

Schwarzenegger might have the right idea- forget the feds they're "girlie boys", we'll take care of ourselves.

Just a thought

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July 22, 2007
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hmmm...

Switzerland undoubtedly has the best healthcare system in the world?

I gotta go to bed now, but I came across this, and it's something to look into.

tomorrow.

I DO think that your suggestions should be tried Loralei, before trying to implement a whole new thing (with our government's speed at implementing ANYTHING I figure we'll be flying commercial airlines to neptune first). 🙂

But hey- can't hurt to keep an open mind and check out what others are doing right? I've never really looked into it until this thread popped up. This topic is quite interesting, and debate abounds all over the internet.

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July 22, 2007
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For those interested in serious discussion, this place is really cool:

http://www.politicalforum.biz

They're not all hung up on abuse issues.

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