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"Shifting" my perception of "God"
May 1, 2008
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I have been grappling with this subject for quite some time now.

(Years - actually.)

Basically, what I have finally come to realize is that I am entitled to "shift" my perception of said God.

That it is all not a black/white issue.

Being raised as a Catholic, you can just imagine the guilt!

But then again, looking/expoloring into the atheist realm, felt equal anomosity.

Having watched an excellent clip on C-SPAN with former SNL member Julia Sweeney and her take from the play of "God said HA!" I thought that I had finally found my place.

I liked what she had to say about atheism.

But in exploring the matter further, found it no less controlling and anomosity-ridden against others that didn't agree nor subscribe to their own doctrines.

Therefore, since then, I have just decided to create a shift in perspective which feels right for me.

I remain open.

(Maybe - that's what it really is all about...in the end.)

NOT black and white.

Just gradual shades of gray of understanding....all things considered.

(Does this make sense to anyone?)

May 1, 2008
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Yes it does.. that is exactly right, doing what you think you want to do. Julia Sweeney is nice! Her smile and stuff has helped athiesm here probably. I havent seen her talk though or read her books so I have no idea what she is about, except that she's an athiest.

hopefully i'm not one of the 'animonius' athiests, but i will admit, sometimes i am and sometimes nott. It depends on how good I'm feeling about life or myself at that moment. The better I feel, the less the animosity.

So what is your concept now of god etc at this moment?

May 1, 2008
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Agnostisism is the way to go!

The question is there about not knowing what god is.
It has open possibilities and infinite questions.
I like the grey area of "I don't knows" rather than absolute truths.

Works for me!

I can appreciate the symbolism in different spiritual cultures in a less judging way....well SOME!

guest_guest. You were one of the animonius athiests...before you were on meds!LOL *wink*

May 1, 2008
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guest_guest,

Right now - it has shifted from some all-emcompassing "male" figure to one in which goes a little bit beyond gender.

To me, right now, its more about "frequency."

Like the spectrum of light.

Like the frequency of music.

A frequency plane.

A vibrational plane.

Some are dense and heavy.

Others are light and airy.

Kind of like that, to me, right now.

"Prayer" to me does indeed exude a lightness of heart and spirit.

A real "pureness."

A sincere extentension of "goodness."

Open both to the giver and receiver, in that specific regard.

This is what is kind of making sense to me right now.......

And you?

May 2, 2008
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to me, its evolution that got us here and there's probably other life forms existing elsewhere. Maybe this is just one big bang and the universe has been expanding and condensing forever and this is just one of bangs.

If god had to exist to justify the universe's existence then really, who made god? was he there from the beginning? so could be the universe. We dont have to know the answers to all quesions, we cant. Whats at the core of Jupiter? We cant know. etc

mmm.. frequencies and energies etc, tbt - those cant be god, its just physics. God is supposed to be the creator and all knowing and stuff. Light and frequencies are just part of stuff that is in existence, like we are.

but i see your point, you're feeling positive and want to accept everything and are tired of fighting and opposing the stuff you dont beleive in. I understand that. I say, if it makes sense to you, definitely do it. Its a positive non-confrontational approach and that itself is good for us.

May 2, 2008
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msguided - i am moving off these meds. they have done nothing for me :(. i told the doc yesterday i want to stop.

i tried 3 anti deps and none of them did anything, what so ever, except weight loss and possibly hair loss. And umm.. so yea. I told him, if anything bad happens, i'll come back and try the ones I havent and atleast i know that 3 didnt work so i dont have to try them again. YEa.. once i get off the meds, i'm bringing out my samurai sword and shield and the face mask out.. yea! ahhhh. You know, nothing is more tiring and costly than being hostile. It helps to be calm and positive like Tbt here. I hope i'm getting there.

May 2, 2008
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Guest.I personally don't believe in meds for depression unless it is a crisis situation.

It seems you were, or felt you were in crisis at a time.
How has your mindset, or moods changed since then?
I was on Zoloft for about 5-6 years and I plateaued. Possibly I was coasting for a few years and should of ceased taking it after two.
It became a crutch and an escape.

Another emotioanl side effect of meds to me was the passivity it caused. I tended to let things slide.

I wasn't alert to act when I should have. The meds sort of perpetuated my codependence and createds more of it in a way.

And as for being postive? We all have our moments where we're not.
Problem with me is I see this world man created that is very negative in light of some of our beleifs, actions, goals and direction.

It seems positive but it's only short term or temporary.

Part of my spirituality comes from nature so the distruction of IT causes me much sadness.

May 2, 2008
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Hmm... light and airy seems a good way to go. Whatever makes your spirit soar. The Truth will make you freeeeeee!

May 5, 2008
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MsGuided,

Your statement "Part of my spirituality comes from nature so the destrustion of IT causes me much sadness."

I know exactly how you feel!

Some years ago, I was feeling really sad about it too - then - out of the blue this picture in my head just popped in about a dog with a bunch of fleas on it and how it just shook them all off....along with the words: "Earth Rules!"

To me, the dog represented the earth and we, the people, kind of like the fleas.

My mouth dropped later as I read a book about Native Wisdom......and that same example was used about the dog and fleas.

Really WEIRD!!!!!!

Now, I am not so concerned about it like I had been.

There have been other civilizations which had died out for one reason or another, depleting natural resources for example and I am somewhat comforted by the fact in watching a BBC video series: "The Blue Planet" specific episode of "The Deep" that there are life forms so deep in the ocean where sunlight never, ever reaches that if in fact there were ever to be a huge nautral disaster, nuclear fall-out or what have you, I remain convinced that not all life forms would become extinct.

Humans maybe, but not all life forms.

For some reason, knowing that brings me some relief.

I have never subscribed to the notion that "man" has dominion over all other life forms. Actually, it's the other way around if we don't get our act together as humans in this and the following generations.

We will eventually be our own demise.

That's my slant anyway.

May 5, 2008
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The destruction of nature usually happens in overpopulated / over exploited areas. For ex., people moving to the vicinity of rivers, dredging them, building all around them. Comes a big rain and the water having no place to run, floods the area spreading garbage and disease. One day you have 100 sick people, the next thousands. Then there is nature itself. Ive seen cliffs in Prince Edward Island that are eroding fast due to the ocean waves.

One thing I try to remember is that our planet was very different billions of years ago. So much of what looked like destruction was part of an evolution. The other thing I try to think is that nature is resilient. I refuse to believe that before I die there won´t be clean water. Or that "the land Im borrowing from te next generations" (as natives say) will be totally destroyed. I need to believe, too, that nature needs to be protected by the establishment of a nature consciousness everywhere. Otherwise living in the city, I could say I have no way of helping nature.

However it happens, the destruction of nature is really sad. As a depressed person, I am inclined to latch on to these sad situations with no obvious solutions in sight and get more depressed. That doesnt help either. Ive had to watch my thinking in regards to nature so that I can contribute good thoughts, creative home solutions and do my part. So, my thinking can help me in more than one way.

May 5, 2008
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sininho,

Like you said....nature is indeed resilient.

Probably in more ways and means than we could ever imagine.

Please take heart, though. Solutions ARE in sight.

My heartful sense is that the upcoming and current generations have embraced the direness of it all and will indeed make a difference.

It's innate, afterall.

Your good thoughts, creative home solutions are not in vein.

They will forever have a ripple, positive effect.......

May 7, 2008
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Sure nature is resilient, but that is within the realm of responding to untampered elements.
Elements that were created and exist within nature ( poisoness snakes to hurricanes for example)
Poisons created by man in a laboratory and genetic engineering can hinder natures recovery rate.

What of synthetics?

I've had my own life altering experience by taking a synthetic hormone. I lost one eye to a stroke!

How can synthetic lelements combine with natural ones without consequence.....sequence on a microscopic level.
I am not a scientist, and lack the jargon, but observation and experience have revealed the flaws.

Look at the side effects associated with Prescriptive drugs? Why ? The synthetic elements are manifesting in side effects and causing other health issues.
Things just aren't meshing!

For instance: in the great lakes to offset the dwindling fish population , the Ministry of fisheries on our side stocks the lakes artificially. Again Man interferes.

Still the elements that kill off life are still in the lakes.

Not all cancer is cured, not all disease subsides. Not all disasters are responsive to Nature or mans interference.

My question is how much more can be tampered with before nature can't bounce back anymore?

When will the level be reached where there will be mass extinctions, mass disease and a similar episode like the dinosaurs demise?

Pretty deep questions....I guess all i can do is keep planting, and refurbishing in my own way.
Yes..Make the best of it while I'm on this planet.

Pay homage to my spirit muse which is nature.

May 9, 2008
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Im glad Im make some sense, TBT.

I call "my" God father mother god bc is gender free, capable of reproducing caring at the most and omni ever whathaveyou.

As life forms I see we are all interdependent and dwell in a sophisticated fragilly balanced yet most resilient system. So I agree, we may disappear as a race, but only to show up again a billion of years later.

I mentioned an essay which won a prize here sometime ago. Its title was "Do we need mankind?" Mr Philobolus, a fungus, mushroom really, gives an interview about it. He thinks, no, they, mushrooms, don´t... its really cute.

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The essay I mentioned which is really fun can be found in the internet I think at
http://www.shelleconomistprize.com INTERVIEW WITH A FUNGUS By Diane Brooks Pleninger
Copyright © The Economist Newspaper Limited and Shell International Limited 2004. All rights reserved. Reprinted with permission.
Starts like:
D.P. Good evening, viewers. Our guest this evening is Pilobolus crystallinus, author
of the award winning best seller, “Do We Need Mankind? A Fungal Perspective”. Mr.
Pilobolus is a member of the kingdom Fungi, class Zygomycetes. He is a scholar/lecturer, dung-dweller and author of numerous scientific articles and papers as well as...

May 12, 2008
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sininho,

Sounds cute. I'll check it out. Thanks!

May 13, 2008
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sininho

you said

"I call "my" God father mother god bc is gender free"

Could you perhaps have be my twin in a past life?????

Heheee Just joking..

I agree God has no gender

Love

Garfield

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