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March 11, 2006
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Lolli,

I'm going to look more into the subject of partial-birth abortion. True, I don't recall hearing about it in the papers or on TV, not that that necessarily means anything.

That video you mentioned is rubbish. I can't comment on the condition of the people who produced it.

Wayne

March 11, 2006
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Seeker a.k.a. Wayne.....(don't worry I won't tell 😉

I'm going to have to look into it more myself. We'll have a meeting of the minds when we know more...sound good?

As far as the people who made that video.... I have no idea who made it or why. As I said, I was 12. I didn't understand it at the time but now that I'm older, it is incomprehensible to me that ANYONE would show anything like that to children. And shame on my friend's freakish family for subjecting us to it.

A lot of good the whole thing did for her....she is now an HIV infected, drug addict that has lost custody of her 4 children. And I'm not exagerating a touch. Good thing she took Christ into her heart. I'd hate to see what would have happened to her if she didn't.

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March 11, 2006
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Hi Lolli,

I don't know what to say about your friend. It's sad what's happened to her. Very sad.

We'll touch bases later on partial-birth abortion then. I look forward to it.

Thanks for posting what you did when you did. You had good timing.

Seeker

March 11, 2006
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I'm sorry, but it all goes back to the responsibility of the 2 individuals involved in making the baby. Don't, and wait. 'Whoops' is too late. "Let's get rid of it because I goofed and can't handle it" is too late.

One of my son's was married last night. They waited until their wedding night to be together. And it wasn't easy for either of them but they did it. I am so very proud of him!

Me on the other hand, wishes I had waited many years ago, as I too had an abortion many years ago. "I was not ready" was my excuse. It took me forever to get over the psychological hurt of having done that.

Regarding partial birth abortions, I beleive it is an issue to be decided. I think SOS Ra
dio, and James Dobson, are speaking of what will happen in a partial birth abortion. I think we have taken way to much power for human life into our own hands. If puppies were treated this way, the humane socieity would be called and people would be sent to jail.

March 12, 2006
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Lolli said: "A lot of good the whole thing did for her....she is now an HIV infected, drug addict that has lost custody of her 4 children. And I'm not exagerating a touch. Good thing she took Christ into her heart. I'd hate to see what would have happened to her if she didn't."

Gosh, Lolli, that sounded way harsh!!! Did you ever consider that she is the way she is Because she was forced to "take Jesus into her heart"? Spiritual (Religious)abuse is real and happening, and the effects are greater, in my opinion than any other abuse there is including sexual!!! It must really suck to have Religious fanatics of that magnitude as parents. Have some compassion.

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March 12, 2006
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Lolli,

I found some info on the web about partial birth abortions. It appears they are indeed being performed still, but I don't know at what frequency. But it appears there was more than just the one case that somebody mentioned earlier.

Congress debated bills on banning partial birth abortions since 1995. Clinton vetoed one that had passed, and Bush signed one into law in 2003. If they weren't being performed, it seems unlikely Congress would be considering bills to ban them.

Please, check these out:

http://www.abortionfacts.com/l.....9313pb.asp

http://womensissues.about.com/.....lbirth.htm

WD,

It appears you may have been mistaken in your assertion that no partial birth abortions are being done in clinics in the US. I suppose absence of apparent evidence is always evidence of absence. Take care.

Seeker

March 12, 2006
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Oops! I meant to say just now:

"I suppose absence of apparent evidence ISN'T always evidence of absence. "

March 12, 2006
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Actually I was not saying there is no such thing as a partial birth abortion (which were banned in 2003.)

What I am saying is that doctors do not kill a full term baby "seconds" before delivery.

March 12, 2006
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Free,

You asked: " Did you ever consider that she is the way she is Because she was forced to "take Jesus into her heart"?"

That my dear friend was EXACLTY my point.

When I said...." Good thing she took Christ into her heart. I'd hate to see what would have happened to her if she didn't."..... I was being sarcastasic, which I realize doesn't always translate in the written word. I can assure you I am very compassionate, probably to a fault.

Sorry for the confusion.

Lolli

March 12, 2006
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Thanks for the info Seeker...I'll check it out.

I can't even imagine a doctor, who is bound by a hypocratic oath, would do something like that unless it was ABSOLUTELY necessary. Then again, I guess there's not too much that happens these days that should suprise me.

I swear I was born in the wrong era.

Lolli

March 12, 2006
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Hi Lolli,

Actually, I think it's not doctors performing this procedure as much as abortionists. It would seem inconsistent with the Hypocratic Oath, but abortions are legal now, and I assume doctors are free to perform them if they so choose.

I look forward to hearing your further thoughts on this subject.

WD,

You're right when you say partial-birth abortions aren't typically performed just before normal delivery at the end of term. I had been under the mistaken notion that they were.

According to the websites I saw, PPAs seem to typically be performed in the 20th to 30th weeks of pregnancy.

Seeker

March 12, 2006
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Sorry, Lolli....

Sarcasm does often get lost here, and it comes acroos sounding just mean. My bad for the admonishment, please accept my humble apology.

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March 13, 2006
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Erica,

I understand how these things happen. Just because I am thinking something a certain way in my head doesn't mean it always come across that way. Perhaps in the future I will make a note of things like that when I write so people will know my intent. i.e. (sarcasm)

Apology accepted. 🙂

Lolli

March 13, 2006
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Hi Lolli,

I've done more thinking about partial birth abortion. On the face of it, it has the same effect as abortion by any other method, so in that light it seems to be as acceptable as any other method of abortion.

However, the psychological effect must be especially traumatic on the woman: delivering her baby/fetus until it's just about to emerge, feeling more fully the motherly feelings toward her child, and then watching it killed it and emerging with a caved-in skull. Uggh!

I think PBA makes it more apparent a potential human being is being killed than other methods, which allow this fact to be disguised better.

Have you given this matter more thought?

Seeker

March 13, 2006
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I think it makes perfect sense to restrict abortion to the first trimester. The fetus does develop the ability to react to pain in later months. And why would anybody want to wait so long? The risk for the woman is also bigger, when the pregnancy is in a later stage.

March 13, 2006
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About the right for fathers: how many women would have an abortion, if they had a father of the child-to-bi who would agree to be the primary caregiver for the baby (and be serious about it)?

Most men who "really want to have this child" mean: would you please have this child and take care of it, while I see to the financial support and play baseball with the kid on sunday afternoons. Men don't plan to make a career change to be able to fit the child-duties into their daily scedule, men don't plan to stay at home during the first months, men don't plan to stay home from work and not sleep at night when baby is sick, men often don't go to school and talk to the teacher when the child is having trouble with math oder beating up other children. This, and not only "this is my body" is for me the reason that men have less say in this matter.

March 13, 2006
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Good point eve!

March 13, 2006
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Seeker,

As I said earlier, although I am pro-choice, I am not pro-abortion. In other words, I personally don't think that I would have one, unless under extreme circumstances (which is why I have made it a point to not get pregnant).

However, I STRONGLY disagree with this practice of partial birth abortion, especially if it takes place after the age of viability. The only reason I can think that this practice should be allowed is if the mother's health is at risk or the child has developed with extreme deformity and/or other extreme circumstances.

I think that abortion should be the right of the woman but it should happen within the first couple of months. Otherwise, adoption is an option.

Lolli

March 13, 2006
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Lolli,

Sounds like you've been doing your homework.

Is it the gruesomeness of PBA that you oppose? The psychological impact it has on the mother? Or for other reasons?

Actually, I think I read that PBA can only be performed after the baby has attained a certain size and is capable of being delivered ... somewhere in the 4th or 5th month, I believe ... after waht I think you mean by teh age of viability.

I agree with eve; abortion should be restricted after the first three months. That makes perfect sense. Why wait till the baby's grown too large, or till the mother has had too long to bond with her baby? It's hard enough under ideal circumstances.

Seeker

March 13, 2006
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seekrw-ur busted. wayne , huh? nice to meet ya.

did u know abortion has been illegal in the state of georgia as long as i can remember. just a fact. i'm sure there are probably other states like this too.

from rhonda the guppy. 😉

March 14, 2006
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abortion can not be completely illegal in the state of georgia.

it would be against the ruling of the Supreme Court of the USA.

the supreme court says that states can not restrict access to abortions in the first trimester, can make some restictions in the second, and can only completely outlaw abortions in the third trimester of abortion.

Roe vs. Wade!!

Erica

March 14, 2006
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i meant third trimester of pregnancy...my bad

March 14, 2006
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wellfree2choose, the supreme court USed to say that. SD legislators are betting that the Supreme court has changed its mind.

March 14, 2006
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free -how come everybody has to go to florida then? i dont know of any abortion clinics in GA. i'm gonna google and see what i find......

March 14, 2006
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Guppy,

I "googled" and found this....

" In 2000, 32,140 women obtained abortions in Georgia, producing a rate of 16.9 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age. Some of these women were from other states, and some Georgia residents had abortions in other states, so this rate may not reflect the abortion rate of state residents. The rate declined 19% since 1996, when it was 20.8 abortions per 1,000 women 15-44. Abortions in Georgia represent 2.4 of all abortions in the United States"

The site did, however, state that 94% of the counties had no abortion providers.

It seems it's not that it is against the law, but there just aren't many people willing to provide the service.

Lolli

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