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March 9, 2006
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I have to ask.... What are your thoughts on the abortion ban is South Dakota?

March 9, 2006
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Personally I am pro-choice, so I do not agree with the ban.

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March 9, 2006
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I am pro-choice also, despite being raised in a strict catholic household. I am amazed that there are not any exceptions for rape or incest, that make me feel so sick!

March 9, 2006
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I am pro choice, but don't know that I would not be for it for specific reasons only. I also believe that my choice is for my life and others can make their own decisions. So, I do think it sad that the government can decide again what we can and cannot do. That to me is the sad end of a government, or anyone, that thinks they can control everyone. So sad.

March 9, 2006
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I was suprised how much of a strong feeling it invokes in me. I think choice is what makes this country great. Now I don't think abortion should be a method of birth control but I think there are good reasons to make the choice to have an abortion.

March 9, 2006
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FL,

You said:

" Now I don't think abortion should be a method of birth control ...."

I agree. Some people confuse being pro-choice with being "pro-abortion", which I am not.

I just don't think that *I* or the government has the right to tell anyone else what they can or cannot do with their own bodies.

Lolli

March 9, 2006
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OK, I'm one who is too distraught with most of the major things happening in our world to watch the news or read the paper anymore...what is this? absolutely no abortions under any circumstances at all in SD? Wow. That is a scary thing when I think of all the mistakes or bad circumstances that my daughter or any of my friends daughters may face one day--today SD, but who knows how far they can take it? It seems to me that the end result would just be a thriving market for unsafe illegal abortions by underqualified people, desperate situations, higher single mother and poverty problems, a boom in postpartum depression in response to the forced institution of motherhood ( I love my daughter, but wonder how I would feel if I HAD to have her...a bit like an animal or a machine with no rights of my own?).

Wow. That's just, to me, very frightening. I feel more every day like I am living in some bizzare controlled envorinment rather than an actual country founded on varying morals, principals, choices, and options. At thispoint, we're gonna build us a big boat to sail AWAY from the US and discover safe land to start all over in exercizing freedoms beyond our goverments narrow minds--and I for one will NOT be doing it in one of those ugly buckled hats!

March 9, 2006
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I agree with everyone! I am glad I am not alone!

March 9, 2006
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I agree with mamac.

March 9, 2006
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Do you think we are the minority in our views of abortion?

March 9, 2006
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I think more importantly is the concern that majority or minority-it is an individuals right that is being taken--each and every individual who could be faced with one of a million different circumstances. Rape, a child just too sick to lead a happy life if carried ot term, a 16 year old girl whose family would make her keep the baby she isn't emotionally ready for and won't be able to develope her and babies good chances while raising, a woman who already has 6 children and an abusive partner and can barely squeek by as it is...there are so many CASE BY CASE situations, who the hell is any majority or minority to decide for one cingular situation?

March 9, 2006
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WOW!!!

I am VERY suprised at some of you who have admitted to being Pro-Chice. Pleasently suprised, but suprised none the less!!!

I whole heartedly agree with Exotic! Perfectly said! Banning legal abortion would only result in horror and greater loss of lives and higher poverty and unwanted children in an already taxed foster care system.

WoooHooo! I am so glad we agree on this subject.

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March 9, 2006
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The Pro Choice people make great arguments about about how a the womb should not be an area of govermnemt legislation.

The Right to life people make some great arguments about how the fetus aged child should have a right to choose as well.

I'm divided...

On this issue, I don't see black or white as much as shades of gray. My opinions would depend upon the situation of the expected mother.

EF, great post x 2!!!

I hadn't thought about the effects that banning abortion could have on the laws of supply and demand.

March 9, 2006
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I am passionately pro-choice.

I think the government should have no say over what a woman does with her body.

I think the lines of church and state are being blurred because the right wing christian movement want to over turn roe vs. wade.
I find this extremely alarming.

I see this as a dangerous threat to our freedom as woman and a dangerous threat to the separation of church and state.

I do not want my choices to be dictated by right wing christians who are trying and planning on imposing their beliefs on this country.

March 9, 2006
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I really enjoy hearing different viewpoints on the situation. If anyone wants to sign planned parenthoods position on supporting roe vs wade.... This is the link
http://www.plannedparenthood.o.....akeaction/

March 9, 2006
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Kathygy, that is my sentimant exactly. I believet hat all faiths deserve the right to practice and belive what truly feels good to them--and I deserve the right NOT to. It is scary to me that our goverment is now acting on religious principals and enforcing those principals on people who do not share that religion. AND that the politians are in large part saying "I will make church feeling a deciding role in state matters, I will force others to conform to your belief system if you vote for me". Even the churches in question are being used in that way to further the politians interests. It really does scare me and I wasn't entirely joking before when I said that it's going to have us fleeing to start a new free land.

And anyway, does this put anyone else in mind of a specific point in history that later came to be known as "the dark ages"?

March 9, 2006
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Is it just me or does this country seem to repeat history over and over again. I am sooo tired of other people thinking that they can tell me what to do with my body, how I should feel, what I should think. It is MY BODY, I will do with it as I please.

March 9, 2006
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I don’t think you have to be religious and a conservative to care about the lives of fetal aged children…I’m not, yet I do.

It makes me feel good that this subject is at least controversial in our society...

The controvercy has been good for both sides.

It has inspired some to be passionately committed to protect the rights of women. It has also inspired some people to be passionately committed to protect the right of fetal aged children.

March 9, 2006
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Ef,

To answer your earlier question, I believe that in SD, abortion will be banned in all cases except where the mother's life is at risk.

So yes, a rape or incest victim would have to carry the child to term. I guess they don't really worry about how that mother will affected psychologically or what may happen to that child after it's born.

Sickening....really.

Lolli

March 9, 2006
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Lolli,

You are right about abortion being banned in all cases except physical health. What about the emotional trauma of carrying a baby from a rape/incest? Can you imagine what kind of psychological damage that would do.. But I guess psychological well being is unimportant!

March 9, 2006
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I am also pro-choice... I have a question. What do you think of child support in the case where a mother chooses to have a baby although the father did not want the baby? In today's laws, he has to pay child support even though the mother chose to exercise rights over her body and have the child. Should he still have to pay?

If the mother had chosen instead to abort, he wouldn't be paying.

March 9, 2006
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gingerleigh,

{What do you think of child support in the case where a mother chooses to have a baby although the father did not want the baby?}

If the father didn't want the baby, he shouldn't have helped make it. He should know that every sexual act carries some risk of pregnancy. Even women who think they can't conceive are sometimes surprised to find they did.

It is the mother who carries the child to term, if there's no abortion. It's she who typically takes on the majority of parental responsibilities, especially if she's a single mother.

She should therefore have the right to decide if she has and keeps the baby or not, his own desires notwithstanding. He, I'm sorry to say, should be stuck with paying reasonable child support, and should not be allowed to pressure her into having an abortion or giving up the baby simply in order to get out of paying for the child.

I'm talking about generalities. There might be individual cases that would merit an exception, but I think this should be the rule unless there is darn good reason to do otherwise.

Maybe if this were consistently done, men would think twice before engaging in irresponsible sex, and we wouldn't have so many children born out of wedlock and the associated societal expenses.

{If the mother had chosen instead to abort, he wouldn't be paying.}

Ginger, I think you have may have hit upon the real reason why we see so much in the press about upholding the "right" to abortion.

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March 9, 2006
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I think abortion is acceptable in cases of rape or incest or the mother's health being endangered. Although I'm a conservative Christian, I'm more liberal toward abortion than you might think.

Here's why I don't want to give abortion a free reign in our society: I've heard too many stories of women being pressured into having an abortion, and then suffering and having to deal with psychological damage from it for the rest of their lives.

Men don't have to undergo this, and thus should not be allowed to pressure any woman into having an abortion.

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March 9, 2006
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But where is the father's right to choose in all of this? The father wasn't the only one engaging in behavior that just might make a baby after all. This is a life we're talking about, a life which is composed of the essences of two people, not one, no?

March 9, 2006
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Ginger, I personally see it in these situations that NO ONE asked for the life to be created, that is not how life works. As for me, exoticbabys father wants to be included in her life and wants her to have his last name and though he has a lot of issues that prevent him from doing so in a very productive way right now, I think he truly does love her in the best way he knows how. So hell yes, I think he should share at least some in the responsabilities. BUT, he also wanted me to have an abortion. I wasn't cool with it, for a lot of reasons (though I did concider it very heavily--I was pretty far along though, that effected my decision a lot). I did prepare myself emotionally for his not wanting to contribute, and even said that if he wanted to enjoy a different life, great: but not to bother us at all then, with money or anything else. I think the real problem here is that American society does not care for unwed mothers in the way we need to be cared for, and it leaves us depending on the help from our 'babydaddies'. I think that it takes a village, and sometimes that village simply is not available to us. In that instance, a fathers help is NESSACARY to the well being of the child, and there is nothing at all wrong with putting achild first in theis worse case scenario. The mother gives her life in these situations ( I know I have...) to their child, and the father can certainly give a small buy-out percentage of his weekly take-home. That is what the courts feel too, making a big point to let everyone know that they don't care about ANY of the personal stuff from the parents--they are concerned with the welfare of the child. And they should be, we all should. Even more than that father didn't ask to be a father, that child didn't ask to be shunned or not chipped in for. I do believe woman have the right to choose, and sometimes they will choose to be a parent: that right should not be reserved for the independantly comfortable--a knocked up poor girl deserves just as much right to love and choose to raise that child, AND to have help from the person that helped bring that child to the world.

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