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Science Without Bounds - the new religion?
July 26, 2006
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u might just wish u were dead by the end of the month..........ha ha ha =)

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ok 3 months then, 12 times is a lot! Yea all the popcorn goodies too and holy water in a little bottle if we watch The Omen and the Lady in the Water, hows that hehe.

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Absurdity in the Book of Mormon:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/BOM/abs/long.html


Other good stuff:



"Those who reject the Book of Mormon are of the
devil."
33:5


Seeker, say it "Guest_guest, since you reject the book of
Mormon, you are of the Devil".


Say this to OMW too since she rejects it too. Do it!


 


Absurdity in the Bible
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/long.htm


Looks like as of now there are 1022 absurd verses in the Bible. A
sampling:



"Bodily exercise profiteth little." 4:8


If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake
bites. 10:9


Only wimps are vegetarians. 14:2


I guess no answers now from the religious folks. There's TONNES of
material. I could post an absurd verse a day for 3 years.

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guest-u remind me of the alcoholic who just lost the ability to drink. because he had to or chose to quit he is always determined to take everybody with him in the beginning. it always sounds good but the underlying thought process is if i can't do it , u aren't gonna do it either. an alchoholic that first quits drinking can preach better than any bible thumping preacher i ever heard. it takes them a long time to figure out they dont got no control of the rest of the party......but i like the movies. so i will take u up on that. forget the holy water, unless of course, u think u might need it. 😉

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holy water doesn't work on brainless fish. um , maybe on a vampire, or is it it a werewolf? can't remember..........black hole, nothing there, silence, the light is out, (damn motel six ) empty echoes,oh well, i;ll just keep on swimmin ,swimmin.......but were was i planning on swimmin too? hmmmmmmmmm

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guest,

Those verses you quoted from teh sceptic website don't mean what you, or rather the website, thinks they do. Talk about blind faith -- you are taking what the website says about those verses on blind faith.

For example, the vegetarians are weak thing doesn't mean what you think. I think it refers to those who are weak in the faith, who are still following Jewish dietary law which Christ had fulfilled.

Look, I don't have time to waste arguing religion with anybody. I've bashed with plenty of folks in my time over religion, and it never does anything except generate anger and hard feelings. If you were sincere, that's one thing, but you'll only mock anything I might say. So I won't answer you.

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yea, buts let not skip around the one verse guest said that i want an answer to. does the mormon bible preach tht mormon belief is the only way . that if u are not mormon, you are of the devil? only mormon apostles hear from god right? isn't that how u told me it is different from other christianity. let's hear how u feel about, say baptist compared to mormon. Seeker........are u saying the poor little baptist,muslim, catholic, protestant,methodist, is misguided in their thinking and only u got it right by being a mormon????i already know how u stand on this, but will u say it? will u admit it? lets hear it. and dont go and put omw in the mix. she's a baptist, remember......u can print on here all day long u and she are brother and sister in christ but what u dont say is u are on the better side of the family. (mormon) what u dont say is how u think omw is wrong in her thinking and beliefs on certain parts of her faith.

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guppy,

Any other form may do good and inspire men to do good, but it is still a different form.

Many people -- Mormon, Baptist, Catholic, This doesn't mean that everybody else is misguided or of the devil. It means that other churches have truth and goodness to varying degrees, depending on the individuals involved. Whatever good they do is of God and he blesses it.

{does the mormon bible preach tht mormon belief is the only way }

The only way for what? The only way to get to know God? or something else? I don't quite understand. My answer depends on what you have in mind.

{that if u are not mormon, you are of the devil? }

NO! Definitely not.

{only mormon apostles hear from god right?}

Again, NO! Definitely not.

{isn't that how u told me it is different from other christianity.}

The Mormon church claims that its leadership consists of apostles, just as there were apostles in the original Christian church, who are guided by modern-day revelation. Nonetheless, Christ does inspire other people and does work through other churches as well. For example, I'm sure there are many Baptists who do good and seek after God, and God will reward them as he does all of us, according to our works and our desires.

{let's hear how u feel about, say baptist compared to mormon.}

(I answered this above.)

{Seeker........are u saying the poor little baptist,muslim, catholic, protestant,methodist, is misguided in their thinking and only u got it right by being a mormon????}

No, not in the slightest. I don't have time to explain now, but will later, along with the rest of your questions. I gotta go now.

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" For example, I'm sure there are many Baptists who do good and seek after God, and God will reward them as he does all of us, according to our works and our desires." u evaded the answer seeker. and at the same time u answered what i wanted to know. guppy
"The only way for what? The only way to get to know God? or something else? I don't quite understand. My answer depends on what you have in mind. " ANOTHER evaded answer!!!!! playing stupid wont work with me. answer the question if u got the guts...........

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nevermind seeker; u dont have to answer me. we both already know the answers to my questions dont we. i am tired of this. i am not picking on u personally. every religion rejects the other for their own reasons as incomplete and or out and out unimformed or wrong. even i can see that and i am brainless..........the fact that u cant admit it kinda disgusts me right this second. i'm out.

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(stop gloating guest)

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Gupper I'll try to get the answer out of him.

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RESPOND to this lovely verse in your Holy book:

"Those who reject the Book of Mormon are of the devil." 33:5

Do you agree with this or not?

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guppy,

You can have individual Baptists who do good and will go to heaven. You can have individual Mormons who do wrong and will go to hell. So much depends on the individual and what they choose to do.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong or misguided about the Baptist church. But as they will freely admit, their leaders are not apostles like Peter, James, and John because they do not claim to be guided by revelation like the ancient apostles were. They claim to understand the Bible by man's wisdom and intellectual study. Since these are subject to error, the doctrines they produce are also subject to error. It doesn't mean they're bad or led by the devil; they might be the best that man's wisdom can produce and they might inspire Baptists to do a lot of good and make the world a much better place for everybody.

Mormon church leaders claim to be led by revelation, and if they are right, then they have the same setup and authority as the New Testament church had. If they are not who they claim they are, then they are deceivers and are led by Satan.

That's why the only way to really understand the Mormon church is to read the Book of Mormon, sincerely wishing to know if it's true, and pray to God about it. God will reveal the truth of it to you, just as he did to me.

Have I convinced you already that I don't believe Mormons are better than Baptists in God's eyes? God knows our hearts and knows what we do know and don't know. He'll only judge us on what we do know.

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alright; here are some questions i have always wondered;

why do catholics insist on priets being celebate? to be close to God? but when adam was created Eve was made also because it was not good to be alone. and they were close to God.
It seems to mock nature and in walks all the pedaphiles to fill the place.

ok, if Jesus is the only begotten son, does that mean he has other siblings? if so, where are they? who was his mother?
why was the bible rewritten by King Jame's order and all reference to Jesus being a human removed. Any books that gave credance to a woman or women were also removed. how do we know he was not married. if he was married to mary of magdalane why devalue her so badly in the bible. (mens' claim to power?)

How can the southern baptist convention get together and vote no women preachers? why? power. nothing else.

is it muslim religion that is going on in irag and iran right now? why do they insist on women covering their bodies and face? it's nothing more than a sexual , controlling perversion invented by men.
They also removed education to women.

i can throw out alot of questions;

why do the mormon insist women wear dresses to church. do they wear dresses twenty four seven? why? it's just another way to subjugate women.

how can u think wearing underwear with certain markings on them make u better or special. because they cover the sexual organs or the waste orifices? i mean really. answer that one seeker.

where in the bible does it say u can go to a priest and admit your sins and he is given authority to forgive u for God? If he is a closet pedephile does this void his power or what?

where in the bible does it say u can pray someone's soul into heaven that didn't make it there on their own. is that catholic, morman, or a little of both.

if u believe that anybody can become an apostle then how do u know they aren't schizophrenic and or seriously demented instead.

how can certain people be better or have a better bloodline to be appointed to priests,bishops, or any other thing. we all originated from one man and one woman did we not? then we are all the same. or are we?
what part of the dna of a person makes them royal. or elited. i really want to know this.

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"Tez- When my daughter, who is fourteen now, was two, she fell in our pool and almost drowned. ... ..."

Thanks Guppy for that post. Dr. Melvin Morse MD has a hell of a lot to say about children's NDEs. He specializes in pediatrics. He has documented many such cases as your daughters.

I have no reason to doubt the validity of the experience.

It is my belief that dependent upon our conditioning we will see what our minds construct. This is not saying that your daughter didn't meet Jesus. I think that she most probably did. However a Hindu child would probably meet Shiva or Krishna. There are documented instances of this too. A athiest who does not believe in the afterlife at all would probably meet no one nor see anything.

I would be very reluctant to extrapolate from any such experience the conclusion that this meant that Hindi or Christianity or athiesm or any other religion was the one and only true religion. I know that you never said this - but many draw that long bow from such experiences.

From my experiences, my reading of the experiences of many others and the research published have convinced me that it is much more probable that conscious awareness goes on after death. To my knowledge there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that it doesn't.

Since everything in nature seems to cycle, I see no reason why human lifeforms wouldn't also. There is much evidence to suggest that it does.

The Bardo Thodol documents the processes between death and birth in great detail. Once again I believe that this detail depends largely upon the mind's prior conditioning. During its period in the Bardo the mind of a Christian will, in my opinion, experience exactly what a Christian expects to experience including meeting Jesus, rellies gone before etc. I've been led to believe that the first part of this dying experience is all of one's life flashing before one's eyes in infinite detail like watching a video - yet all in an instant. Your daughter probably didn't recall this because til then her life had been so short.

I guess that we'll have to wait to know for sure. Of course if Guest_guest is right there will be nothing to know anything.

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alright Seeker, why does your answer have to be all the way black or white. why is it, that if the morman church is not set up right through god, then it is through satan. why not say it is manifested by man. men. humans. for their own self seeking wants. get it? because the beginning of the mormon church mimicks the original twelve apostles. huh? hw original is that? ok, so they know how to copy , how does that make them right? better? because they copy the orginal ways of the apostles.?? you are missing the head of the table son, where is Jesus. instead of mysterious plates that very conveniently disappeared later. why didn't Jesus come down and set the mormon chuch up like he did the apostles? hmmmmm? were is your proof of your superiority of your faith over mine? where?

if the catholic church is a church system set up by god, then why is it overrun with perversion. and has been all the way through history. go back and read it.

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ok, another question; if there are twelve realms of heaven, as some believe, who will get top spot? hindu, muslim,mormon,catholic,baptist,prodestant,methodist, jews,holiness, who? or does it go by the twelve tribes. are we all going to be selected or appointed according to our dna? or is it a combination of who got it the most right and lived the most right? hmmmmmmm?

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or wait a minute. i missed this question. will serial killers be in heaven? child killers? rapists, sadists, or will we all be seperated according to sex. u know, men, women, children, homosexual, a sexual.,bisexual, then the multisexual. or does that even count?

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Thanks for your great post of 25-Jul-06. There was so much in it that fascinated me that it is hard to know where to start.

Because of both your and my time constraints, I'll focus on what I think is most important to you. If I am wrong then please let me know.

You said:

" ... I think I am still afraid I can't love or like a man (that loves or likes me), the way they deserve to be loved/liked. So I hold myself aloof. That's kinda jacked up, aint it?"

No it isn't "kinda jacked up" to me.

If I understand you correctly you are saying:

"I'm fearful of letting go of control of my feelings towards a man who likes or loves me. If I do then that man might then take control of me, want to possess me, and imprison me. With such a man, if I let go I might lose my very self completely."

Is this accurate?

If so then this might be exactly the same fear as the fear surrounding your visit to your mom. Whilst situation is very different from the other, the emotional commitment to letting go or not letting go for fear of being hurt seems to be the same to me.

Perhaps your fear of being hurt emotionally is the central focu

Yet Dr. Gerard Jampolsky says that: "Love is letting go of fear."

Is it that you fear giving and receiving love in situations where you perceive that there is a possibility of being hurt emotionally?

I'm not in any way judging you here. I know that this is a difficult journey of self-exploration for you.

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Tez-thank u for replying to me. i appreciate your insight. of course, u are right if guest is right we are all going to be equal before it is overwith. or is some form of dust more superior than other forms of dust? do ya know?

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one more question and i will quit.if the catholic religion is all so good, then why did the higher uppers cover up the crimes being committed with them. was or is it more important to bring in the flock and continue to screw the children? or did god mail them a letter and tell them to hide it? or did they get all their divine way because they got it by revelation? hmmmmmmmmm?...is it man's folly or satan's????????????

i can ask far more questions than u could ever come up with guest. happy?

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Guest_guest.

Do you think that you might have unresolved issues with your parents, particularly your father?

I know that I held a deepseated resentment towards my father for many years for putting me in the hands of the brainwashing Catholic Church and for the damage that they and he did.

Nowadays that deepseated resentment can still be retriggered by bible bashing, psalm singers who I perceive to be perpetuating that damage. But I now realize that it takes two to tango! Many children in my Catholic school days turned out apparently undamaged psychologically. So my parents and I must have brought something else into the equation besides religion.

What is it that you and I fear that the bible, Quran, 'you name it' bashing 'hypocrites' will do to harm us? Can't we just accept them, tolerate them and let them believe what they want?

Why is there this compulsion to change their beliefs?

Or do we have a perverse desire to inflict pain on them in retribution for ...?

... ... in retribution for what, Guest_guest??? Pray tell?

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guppy

Thanks for your post.

On the 26-Jul-06 you asked

"... or is some form of dust more superior than other forms of dust? do ya know?"

Superiority is in the 'eye of the beholder'. I like 'bulldust' it makes good fertilizer. 🙂

Besides, Christians burying their dead say:

"Remember man that thou art dust and unto dust thou shalt return."

Do you think that means Christians
believe what Guest_guest believes about consciousness surviving death?

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no fair Tez....u are turning the questions back on me. =)

i believe we will survive into another form of life that we cannot possibly understand.

The whole point of half of my questions today Tez is to point out that each religion claims authority over another and that really pisses me off.and every religion subjugates either another race, religion, or sex of people. Every Religion on earth can and does have some things about them that can be pointed out as flaws....why ?????because mankind fu---- it up they way they wanted it at some point or another.

i really like your bulldust story.

smart man. 😉

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No, you dont have to lash out my issus with my father just cause you couldnt give me the proof of external conciousness. I started on them when guppy mentioned its the same HP.

>> Can't we just accept them, tolerate them and let them believe what they want? << My question: Should we acccept intolerance? Such as: "Those who reject the Book of Mormon are of the devil." 33:5 Poor Seeker doesnt have the guts to admit that, all of us are of the devil (since we reject the book of Mormon).

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