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Science Without Bounds - the new religion?
July 26, 2006
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{Being a Christian or muslim or any other religion, is not any of the ways. These are all wrong since they teach one has to belong to that certain religion in order to escape Hellfire - this is stupid, absurd, immature and childish - its just WRONG. }

I have told you that I'm a Christian and I don't believe this way. I also believe that after a thousand years after Christ's second coming, hell will be destroyed and everybody in it, including Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin, will end up living in a place that's far more glorious than this earth ever could be. The more moral of a life you led, the more glorious will be your place in the eternal world.

So please stop saying that all Christian religions teach that all non-Christians will burn in hellfire for eternity. You're spreading a lie when you say that.

As for NDEs, I'll check out those Hindu and Muslim NDEs you mentioned. I'm always interested in them.

And if you don't think that a few people might lie about an NDE, you don't know human nature like I thought you did.

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So you think these Hindu NDE accounts are FALSE? Answer me:



"(4) As in western accounts, Hindu near-death accounts sometimes
describe the meeting of religious deities
and deceased loved ones"


"In reply to questions about details, Vasudev said that the "black man" had a
club and used foul language. Vasudev identified him as Yamraj, the Hindu
god of the dead."


Dont you guys see. This NDE stuff is just stuff happening in the BRAIN
itself. Whereever is there in the brain, comes out in the "NDE". Yes its a near
death experience - the person is about to die. But none of these experiences
including the ones you believe in tell us the TRUTH, such as Jesus is there.


The NDE's are all about whats already inside the person's head. HENCE Hindu
NDE's contain occurences of their own religious dieties.


And no, its not the same HP for reasons I already mentioned above.


So seeker, tell me: Do you believe these Hindu NDE's happened or not ?
Lets see how honest you are intellectually.

July 26, 2006
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You ignored my question! Answer me:

You wrote:

>> It says that those who care for the less fortunate will enter the kingdom of heaven, and those who don't will not. << So you're saying it doesnt matter if your a Christian. What matters is other things e.g. we care for the less fortunate. True? Whether or not I end up in heaven - does this have ANYTHING to do with whether I'm a Christian or not? What are the things on which which my going to heaven depends? List all the important ones.

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omw,

I'm happy to see you chime in. I guess we won't actually see until the next life how it all pans out, will we? There are many ways to interpret the Bible. Any way of interpreting it through our own study of it is prone to error, although it's imperative that we incorporate its teachings into our own lives as we see fit.

In the meantime, of course, I'm glad that you're my sister in Christ, in spite of the fact we don't quite see eye to eye on all matters.

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July 26, 2006
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>> God looks at your heart =) << So you're saying I can go to heaven being a Muslim or an athiest - as long as my heart is good? Being a Christian has no say in whether or not I'm going to Heaven or Hell. Correct?

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And dont any of you seeker or OMW give you the "I dont know, God knows best" answer. Thats the answer you give when you know you're trapped and when you know you're ashamed to give your honest thoughts because yes, in reality you do believe that being Christian does have bearing or whether we go to heaven or hell - but nope you dont want the other person to know that. So give me the clear answers.

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Ok you guys Seeker (specially) and OMW and other believers asked for it.
Here's intolerance in the New Test.:



Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14


Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of
hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24


"Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him."
12:31-32


The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36


If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. 12:48


Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be
burned. 15:6


Want more: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/nt.html


So why are you, OMW and Seeker now saying that it doesnt matter if we're
Christian or not? Read your own Holy book for "Christs" sake.


Seeker, for you in the book or Mormon. Intolerance:



It's better to kill one person than have a whole nation die unbelievers. 4:13


Nice god you got there, huh Seeker, check it out:



The members of "the great and abominable church" (the whore of all the earth)
will kill each other and get drunk on their own
blood.
22:13


DISGUSTING. Is it now? What do you think of the verse above?



You must do whatever the prophet (Jesus or Joseph Smith) says. Those
who don't will be cut off. 22:20




Soon all the churches of the devil (non-Mormon churches) will be destroyed.
22:23


God will destroy (in varous ways) those who "dwindle in unbelief." 26:15


Those who reject the Book of Mormon are of the devil.
33:5


See your God teaches you to HATE disbelievers:



Stay away from those who do not share your religious views. 5:57


Dont you frikking see? This is a MAN writing these Holy books. Not GOD. The
guy wants lots of followers and lots of power. Thats what its all about.


See more here: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/BOM/int/long.html



Those who believe will be saved; those who don't will be damned. 14:29


Wo unto" whoever denies Christ or his latter day revelations. God will show
such persons no mercy. 29:5-7


Here's my religion: My God said that if anyone is a Christian or Mormon or
any other religion asides from my own, He will strip them naked and poke their
bodies with hot rods until they pierce them. Their eyes will be taken out - all
this is equivalent to Hellfire, right? Then He'll make all the disbelievers cut
off each other's arms and legs, put them into a huge pot and roast them in
Barbeque sauce and they'll be forced to eat the broth. Sounds disgusting? I was
disgusted too, when I read that YOUR god will burn me in Hellfire. Let me
summarize these lovely verses from your Holy books:



The members of "the great and abominable church" (the whore of all the earth)
will kill each other and get drunk on their own
blood.
22:13
(Mormon)


Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be
burned. 15:6
(New Testament)


What do you have to say now ? Dont make me make a new thread about
Intolerance in Religions.


I'm glad I left my own religion and dont have any religion now. I had the
guts, commonsense and intellectual honesty to do it. Do you?

July 26, 2006
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Well, this went really well. dont u think? i have been told to use my brain by guest. so i guess i will. hmmmmmmm....it tells me to .......damnit, it quit on me. (i am not used to using my brain) it must of threw a fuse. gotta go......find a fuse that is..

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Well.... what do you think of the nice verses I puled out of your Holy books?

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i would be glad to reply to the above post u so eleguently put together guest, but, as u can see, my brain had a power surge and a black out ensued. my my, it will probably take me awhile to get it back up and running. { black empy room where guppy brain used to be

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see ya, the brainless fish.

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there ya go, when its time to make tough decisions (leaving your religion, looing at it critically), the brain gives out. But if I was to ask you what you thought of the 4 contestants on "Last comic standing" last night, you'd give me an expert analysis right NOW.

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u are the one who told me to use my brain in an above post. i am mocking u for it. btw; i dont have a clue what u are talking about. i didn't watch the last comic standing. so ole brainy one, u were WRONG about me giving u an expert analysis.

yep, u are correct. those verses suck big time. i am going to look some of them up. when i get the light back on............ ;0

July 26, 2006
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maybe omw and seeker will give u the correct answers. unknowingly guest, u have put a light on something i wanted to know , but wasn't quiet sure about till these last posts. so thankyou.

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i will throw this out, the definition of a church usually means the gathering of three or more people with the same goals. so the verse u highlighted in red above guest could stand for any kind of group that stands together. good, bad, evil, ugly.........real ugly.......

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What was that what I put the light on? People dont open their books. I did. I didnt follow religion "part-time", I went into it deeply. I took my religion seriously. Nope, they cant be explained in any way, no one can.

Lets see how Seeker explains the verse about people killing each other and getting drunk on their own bloods. These are the religions you believe in. Be proud of them.

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Guppy, WHATEVER it is - no one should be made to kill each other and get drunk on their own blood. Have a head, think. Dont justify and try to slip out of it.

Thats the book of Mormon by the way. NT has its own horrible stuff, the worst of which I didnt bring here yet. Lots of nasty stuff in these "Holy" books.

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hey, what book are all those verses in anyway. i dont mean the big book. like the mormon stuff u said. what chapter (book). need more than just the verse number.

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i am not trying to slip out of it. i have always thought some of the stuff written in the bible is wrong. ok?

July 26, 2006
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ok then leave the religion. just be atheist or agnostic or just believe in a
HP, but not any specific religion - because they're not from God. If they were,
they would be perfect and I would'nt be here putting their holy books to shame
and highlighting the disgusting verses in red.


The "kill each other and get drunk on each other's blood" verse can be found
here:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/BOM/1ne/22.html#13


 

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Guest- the light on remark was not about u. someone else posted on here in a manner that i did not like at all. i wanted to know how arrogant someone is about how they believe and i got my answer. (nothing to do with u guest)

it's obvious u believe all religion is man made and cannot be proven to be anything other than man's attempt to control . right? that is your right

i dont have all the answers. what i chose to believe is my right. and choice.

i am not here to try and convince u , u are right or wrong. i am not trying to change how u believe. at the same time, u will not be able to change what i fundamentally believe as far as religion goes. u want to argue and persuade or win an arguement, u will have to do it with someone else on aac.

peace my friend
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thank you for the website. it is very informative.

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Yea its your choice and of many others to believe without any logic, reasoning or evidence.

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guppy come, leave your religion. Come onnnnn. I'll take us to the movies if you will, not once, for a whole month each friday. Come on, you gotta do it, or I'm gonna die. Help! do it! Do it! Yes.. thank you. Thankgodddd.

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ROFL!!!!!

only for a month?? that equals four times, right? come on, u can do better than that. surely.....but wait a minute, u didn't say what kind of movie did u? my choice?............. just think, hours and hours of mushy chick flicks...(that would gag me)........how about popcorn with lotsa butter....a blueberry icee..... =)..............

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i would talk through the whole thing.....by the end of the month u would be hunting god ........for mercy. hmmmmmmmmmm. not a bad idea. pick me up friday. =)

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