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Science Without Bounds - the new religion?
May 22, 2006
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WD et. al.

WD, If you are still here, how would you like to visit http://www.adamford.com and then download a thought provoking book called "Science Without Bounds: A Synthesis of Science, Religion and Mysticism" written by Arthur D'Adamo? This book is free to download from this site with no strings attached.

It is a very balanced,unbiased and very readable book that proposes a way of extending the boundaries of science into that previously the exclusive domain of religion.

I would be very interested in your opinion of D'Adamo's views. The issues raised in it are interesting and make worthwhile discussion material.

May 23, 2006
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Tez,
I would like too.

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May 23, 2006
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but will take me a few.

May 23, 2006
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Yep.

May 23, 2006
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I'm in on this too, but it might also take me a while.

May 23, 2006
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Tez,

This is 448 pages long. Can you suggest a good 20 pages or so to start with? I'll never get through the whole thing.

May 23, 2006
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Read the first word of each page. Thats how I get through my self-help books. Works great..!

May 23, 2006
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guest,

lol

May 23, 2006
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guest-lol....no wonder u have to read everyday. u're funny

May 24, 2006
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Duh, and here I thought reading the beginning and last sentence of each paragrah did it? Guest, you're a hoot!

May 24, 2006
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And I'll be here reading on...

May 25, 2006
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seekerw

On 23-May-06 you asked:

"This is 448 pages long. Can you suggest a good 20 pages or so to start with? I'll never get through the whole thing."

Then perhaps you might want to bypass this thread altogether.

I don't think this is the kind of book that sampling 20 pages or so will do anything for you. Each concept leads to the next and so on. The book builds on previous insights in turn.

What is required is a paradigm shift in the way we think in order to see how the principles and philosophy of science can be applied to explaining, validating and verifying concepts such as who we are, why we are here and where we are going.

The same type of paradigm shift in thinking is, I believe, required to achieve any sort of understanding of quantum physics. That is why, I'm told, only relatively few physicists truly understand quantum theory.

However the simplicity of this book is such that even I can understand it. After having read and understood every word to the best of my ability, I'm up to page 291 at the moment. One reviewer read the book in 7 hours. It will probably take me twice as long.

The reason that I addressed my initial post to WD et. al. was that I was intending to imply that this book is eminently suitable for someone with a scientific mind, such as that which WD obviously has - someone who is also looking for a rational, scientific basis for believing in the existence of some kind of God. The book advocates relying on the scientific method for validating knowledge of a Godhead as opposed to having a faith based upon either the authority of divinely inspired scriptural knowledge or very subjective spiritual experiences.

IMHO, if some one, who is not fair dinkum about taking a scientific approach to their religious beliefs with all the commitment therein implied and just wants to skim read and skip large portions of this book to see if there's anything in it for them, then such a person is not going to get much out of this book. Such a person will IMHO only be wasting their time and their downloading allowance.

May 25, 2006
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Tez,

If it's all or nothing, I must choose nothing. I don't have time to read the whole thing in a few days or a week, but I'll read it a little at a time. The book sounds intriguing to me.

I already apply scientific principles to religion. For example, Jesus said that if you do what he teaches, you will know that his teachings are from God, and not from a man. I've applied some of his teachings to my life and found out they are indeed from God.

Is this not scientific? It presents a theory (Do this, and that will follow), you do "this", and "that" follows? Sounds like a scientific experiment to me.

May 26, 2006
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Tez, reagarding a scientific approach to one's beliefs, please take time to listen to the website i posted here, thread title "Marshill...".

If a debate, then ugh...if a conversation, and conversing about different ideas...more enjoyable. HAve not seen WD around for a while, but yes he would also be another one. Seeker is very knowledgeable as well, and presents a viewpoint of course that i can agree with.

Do you see this going into a debate, or can we all go to Starbucks and have a cup of coffee?

May 26, 2006
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one merry woman,

I vote for Starbucks, though I'd rather have an Odwalla's instead. It's more healthy.

Thanks for your vote of confidence.

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May 26, 2006
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Hi seeker, dont wanna do the debate but just a little question:

>> found out they are indeed from God. < < Whats the one teaching you think which would convince me its from God? Just wanna know the teaching.

May 26, 2006
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25-May-06:

"... Is this not scientific?"

No.

May 26, 2006
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Tez, well, so far the replies have been interesting! 😉

May 26, 2006
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well, somebody read the book and tell me the highlights of it. i would like to hear about it.
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May 26, 2006
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seek-what is an odwalla???? animal,mineral,?????

May 27, 2006
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Tez,

{"... Is this not scientific?"
No.}

Gee. You run an experiement ... it works as predicted. You know of others who do the same, with the same results. Sure sounds scientific to me.

Science as we know it entails measureable, quantifiable facts about our world. Since God is neither measureable nor quantifiable, and is not even of this world, I cannot see how we can even hope to discover God through science. But I'm keeeping my mind open about this book.

May 27, 2006
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guest,

{Whats the one teaching you think which would convince me its from God? Just wanna know the teaching.}

If I told you it, would you try it out for yourself?

May 27, 2006
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guppy,

That means "gal using pretty punny y-expressions" (the 'y' is silent -- that 'y' is a killer to acronym around!)

Odwalla is a brand of health food drink around here -- loaded with fruits, nutrients, vitamins, etc. -- drinking it will get you loaded, all right.

May 27, 2006
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>> If I told you it, would you try it out for yourself? < < Dont worry about it, just tell me. If its scientific, I wont have to "try" to accept it.

May 27, 2006
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Tez,

I wanted to extend my sympathy over the loss of your thread. It's happening more and more, isn't it?

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