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Schools Giving Depression Surveys
October 6, 1999
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By ROBIN ESTRIN Associated Press Writer

BOSTON (AP) - There are no right or wrong answers for this test. No studying required. Students don't have to give their names. The results, however, could have serious implications.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/a.....nts_1.html

October 6, 1999
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SC. When will the human race ever learn that the hunger for material possessions will never lead to anything but frustration.

What we really 'hunger for' is to be needed, wanted and loved.

I am sure that the depressed 8% of the school population surveyed don't feel 'needed, wanted and loved'. What do you reckon?

October 7, 1999
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Tez,

Yes, I completely agree. Depression stems from self-esteem/self-image, which DOES directly stem from needing to be needed & loved.

So many people, buy things, hoping to increase their self worth. "If I buy this new outfit, I'll feel better about myself, I'll be more important, my self-worth will increase". This feeling is only temporary...the new clothing is worn, the feeling wears off, we're back to low esteem feelings.

These actions & reactions which stem from our feelings about self-worth and image, should be TAUGHT in schools. Classes based on SELF-ESTEEM, and COMMUNICATION (how we get our needs met, and how we express ourselves with others), need to be required curriculum beginning at early ages, and continuing until graduation.

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October 7, 1999
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Tez,

The question you asked though, was WHEN will we learn? I think we'll learn when we are TAUGHT. It needs to happen ASAP. The sooner the better...so here's my question....

QUESTION: How do we get States & Schools to APPROVE these kinds of curriculums (self esteem & communication)?

Most of the money spent on education gets flushed down the toilet because the kids aren't ABLE or WILLING to learn because they're stuck on their basic core self worth.

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October 7, 1999
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S.C. In my opinion you are 'spot on' in your observations.

Your question: How do we get States & Schools to APPROVE these kinds of curriculums (self esteem & communication)?

This question is a lulu! As you well know, we need legislators and educators in ours highests positions of government who are really enlightened in regard to the 'human condition'.

Being in positions of power, such people are firstly politicians. This is the dilemma; politicians and enlightenment are contradictions in terms. Politicians by their very nature are self-seeking, dishonest and manipulating. To be otherwise is to ensure their disembowelment in the party selection processes.

Asking politicians to gain insights into the damaging nature of low core worth in a person is like asking Jack the Ripper to understand the bonding and interactional processes involved in breast feeding an infant.

I believe that our universities have a moral responsibility to use their academic 'clout' to 'bludgeon' the powers that be into introducing subjects into the school curriculum that really do provide the environment for self-discovery at an early age. Such learning is an imperative in order to prevent repeating the disastrous parenting cycles of the past which result in low core worth.

However, would this action win votes? I can hear the ignorant 'lumpen proletariat' exclaim, "What's this psychobabble crap got to do with the three R's and information technology". Sob!

I live in hope though. What do you reckon?

October 8, 1999
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I'm not sure I understand the purpose of these tests. Is it so researchers can get their statistics? They can accomplish that, but I don't think they will accomplish much more. The student is the only one who will have his own results. Do they really expect a teenager who thinks he is hopeless to call for help? I took a class in high school called, "I Can." It was specifically designed to teach us to have confidence in ourselves. It was to build self esteem and to teach us how to set goals and how to reach them. Do you think that would change the statistics? Watching fictional movies and learning how to say, "I can" from a book didn't influence me more than what was going on outside the classroom. Point is...teen agers need to be praised for all accomplishments and efforts individually to help with their self esteem. I really don't think they can learn this from a book or in a classroom as a group. I don't think a test is going to influence a teen ager to get the help he needs. I really believe it is one on one attention from someone he respects and admires that would give him the help he needs for depression and low self esteem.

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J.C. If you are talking about the conventional schooling system, I tend to agree with you. However, I had in mind a much deeper and more holistic, comprehensive approach than 'I can' confidence building and goal setting approaches. If mom's latest boyfriend tells them to 'f..k off' or does worse to them,it isn't much good just telling a child 'how good they are' in school and then expecting an obvious improvement in their sense of core self-worth.

For many years there have been some very innovative schools that operate on the 'one on one' lines of which you talk. A.S. Neil was the founder of Summerhill, one such school. Montessori another. We have a local school called the Toogoolawah School. It only takes the rejects from the conventional schools system as boarders and turns them around. It is funded by a local milionaire and is run along lines of Buddhist practices without the indoctrination. There are many others as well. But the mainstream education system frowns on these endeavours as being too 'way out' in their approach. It rocks the boat to even consider their success rate. Your fellow American, Dr Glasser long ago came up with the concept of the 'Quality School'and successfully implemented same. (Glasser. W (1990), The Quality school. Managing Students without coercion. Harper Collins New York USA. ISBN 0-06-096955-5) I undertook their training and was certified at the level of the course. However, all my attempts to implement these grand self-esteem building 'student centered' teaching concepts were thwarted through the ignorance of my superiors. In any case these approaches are mostly remedial in nature.

I believe that the ignorance of the the principles of good parenting and ignorance of the extent of the damage done in early childhood by parents to a child's sense of intrinsic self-worth is at the heart of the problem. Schooling present day children prior to the conception of the next generation about these issues may just help prevent replication of the problem in the future. Close the gate BEFORE the horse gets out; not after. Makes sense?

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