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Religion...the opiate of the masses..??
April 23, 2008
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OMW, gee, thanks for the "say things"! I really like to think that I say things, especially if they get to be profound, rather than to quote things. Please know that there is this huge room in my head, heart, mind and spirit for contemplating what is obvious. I try damn hard to question what I read and wish I questioned people harder but as a codep Ive been choosing to go along a lot... I think you wrote vertical for horizontal and vice versa. Yes, thanks for the way up to a higher level than we are at rightnow on earth, that´s for sure!

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April 23, 2008
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Hey, Oprah wants to start a religion?????

Too bad I´ll only live long enough to see the beta version. And too bad curiosity killed the cat cos Im soooo curious!

April 23, 2008
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Anyways, I voted, I even justified, now I´m finished. Looks #2 is a one man´s vote (me) and I gotta go pay my bills, that is, "pray with my feet moving". Good thread, good posts, thanks and hugs, over and out.

April 24, 2008
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I have voted for God...I just don't believe any one religion has the best way to get to God. God is all around you and within you. Why do I have to be told that I need a certain way or a certain church to believe in GOD or be a Christian?

April 24, 2008
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Especially when it has been said that when two or more of you gather in His name........Cannot that just be just as true of one individual who believes in GOD as well?

April 26, 2008
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So often I have heard, and believe it to be true: There are many paths to the same center.

When spiritual quests turn to violence, or where they seek to obliterate the ideas of others, is where I have a problem with them.

People can pervert any faith to support their own agendas. It doesn't mean they understand the true meaning of their own religion.

Believing you can do anything you want? Show me that religion and I'm pretty sure they are charging money for it (many cults promise this and deliver the opposite).

I have a whole library on this stuff and I couldn't even begin to touch it here. But I love the exchange here! So far, so peaceful.

April 28, 2008
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Ella, as ou said:

People can pervert any faith to support their own agendas. It doesn't mean they understand the true meaning of their own religion.

So true!. See, we need you here! hugs

April 28, 2008
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I've always thought the following so interesting: People of many religions claim theirs is the "right" one and that others are wrong. so if we put, for example, 5 leaders of 5 different religions in one room, they can all point to the other and find scripture in their faith as to what 'proves" the other is wrong and theirs is right.

If we assume somebody is in fact "right", that would mean that 4 of them are pursuing an incorrect religion despite their firm faith and belief in it.

What's wrong with that picture?

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April 29, 2008
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What's wrong with that picture is that those people are into the dogma, and the literal nature of their scriptures, not the spiritual meaning... which takes work, study, meditation and life experience. Also, I think a person's agenda has something to do with it. Some people who claim to be "religious" are in fact, dutifuly religious- go to place of worship, read the written word of their faith, etc., but not spiritual- just selfish. We all have known the type! Just imagine if they got some power or connections behind them! It has happened all throughout history. Some people have less than noble motives for serving their faith.

April 29, 2008
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Personally, I believe that if Jesus, Buddha and Muhammad, all sat around and discussed their respective faiths that they would find more to agree on than to disagree.

May 2, 2008
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On the 22-Apr-08 you wrote:

"... I WILL be praying for each and every one of you. Especially the Atheists and the Pagans, may God have mercy on your souls. "

I feel sick.

May 3, 2008
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Where is the part of the Bible that says that only god can cast judgement on people? I know I learned that in Sunday school, and also that he was all forgiving.

May 3, 2008
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That is why I left church as a child. Full of hypocrisy and judgement. No god I believed in would be that cruel to people who are good in their hearts.

May 3, 2008
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mzrella, ditto. I left because i couldnt imagine the god i beleived in would burn nice people like princess diana and mother teresa because they refuse to convert to islam. What a stupid god, i would kick him first before i would worship him. Ah, it felt good to curse him in my heart. i left my religion because i had the courage to stand up to the __ and tell him what i thought of him and how wrong he was. Helped me find out that it was all a hoax after all, which made the best sense.

May 3, 2008
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"It makes me very sad for all of you. I WILL be praying for each and every one of you. Especially the Atheists and the Pagans, may God have mercy on your souls."

Don't pray for me- I don't need or want you to pray for me.

You should feel sad.

You're judgemental.

Who the HELL are YOU to judge?

My higher power is Mother Earth.

She's my Goddess.

Isis

May 3, 2008
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Joh 12:47

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I JUDGE him not: for I came not to JUDGE the world, but to save the world.

May 3, 2008
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Just wanted to add and I am NOT going to embroider on this verse as I have my own understanding and am using this to for my own reasons.

1co 15:19

If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable

Think about it........

May 6, 2008
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Could you all be talking about the god that you were "taught" about when you were children, rather than one you might venture out now to get to know yourself? Myself included, had negative experiences growing up in church.

ISIS...
Please tell me who Mother Earth is.

May 6, 2008
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See, people judge other people and their churches and their religion. Totally misses the point of a personal relationship with God. Too much time is spent looking at what happened as a child, other people and their judgements. Screw that....what about NOW?? NOW is what is important. Why not let your judgements go and seek God out now? What does He mean to you aside from the horrible experiences you have encountered? You might find that apart from the hypocrites, you might actually like Him.

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garfield...

I Cor 15:19...what is your interpretation? 🙂

May 6, 2008
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Hey OMW-

Of course I will share.

Mother Earth is Gaia.

Mother Nature.

I'm more of a naturalist.

The concept is all the same- IMO.

She's my Higher Power.

I suppose one would lable me a Pagan.

Namaste,

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May 6, 2008
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Just pondering...

This religion thing.

Who is one to say what is right or wrong? Whose god is better? What about those of us who don't believe in god? What's wrong with that? Why are they being judged and prayed for?

Growing up, I wasn't hurt by god.

I wasn't raised anything in particular.

My daddy was a naturalist. We were spiritual people. We celebrated nature and the seasons.

I think daddy's god was more traditional- like the man god thing.

I don't know what mothers was.

My sister- who knows.

I'm Greek Orthodox and Jewish.

However, without religion.

Never was raised either.

So, I found what works for me.

It's my own personal thing.

It makes me happy.

I have found peace.

I'll leave you all with this:

Attributed to author Deepak Chopra, (found on various websites)

"I honor the Spirit in you which is also in me. I honor the place in you in which the entire Universe dwells, I honor the place in you which is of Love, of Integrity, of Wisdom and of Peace, When you are in that place in you, and I am in that place in me, we are One."

It doesn't matter "who" or "what" your god/higher power is.

Whatever it is, or isn't for that matter, I respect you.

That is Namaste.

Isis

May 7, 2008
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Now why would i need somebody to pray that God will have mercy on my soul?

of course She will. She's all merciful. Makes sense. After all, she created this soul.

for that, I'm grateful.

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May 7, 2008
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Isis,

What kind of 'higher power' is Mother Nature? I always learned that Mother Nature was blamed for the bad weather for example. 🙂

How is she your higher power? What kind of power does she give to you, or ...what kind of power do you glean from her?

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Right about NOW, my idea of god cannot be defined as a "He" or "She" human like figure. So I don't know where that leaves me in the views of all others, but religion does not equal spirituality.

One can have their own spiritual beliefs and not adhere to a traditional religion. Does this mean that those individuals do not "like" god? One can adhere to a traditional religion and its dogma and not have a spiritual connection to it.

Personally, there are things in the way that the faith I was born into have been used both presently and in the past to support practices and restrictions that I do not agree with... as a former Christian, I do not need to seek their church out now. Their version god will never again represent what I believe in. But I believe that my god is the same as theirs, though I'm sure no Christian would agree. However, there are people, like the Unitarians who try to mine that faith for all its good points and welcome people with other views.

Just because people have a negative experience with a faith, or disagree with it on points and voice their opinions does not mean that they are "judging." However, when someone basically damns everyone who does not adhere to their own religion, (a faith which preaches forgiveness and love...), I find THAT to be hypocritical, or just a misinterpretation of that faith. That is not a judgement. But then again, this is all reminding me of why I keep my spiritual views to myself in "the outside world" and why when I do come to liberation brew I realize why I usually don't participate in these conversations.

Faith is nothing you can be "right" about. The whole point is that it can't be proved. Why try and "prove" someone wrong and condemn them?

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