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Religion...the opiate of the masses..??
April 21, 2008
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Religion is portrayed 3 ways on this website:

1. Marxist in nature,,'religion is the opiate of the masses'. I see this more than anything here.

2. Look within, you can do it yourself, you have power to do and be what ever you want...follows New Age and uh..Oprah.

3. God is real and is who He said he was/is.

Care to vote?

April 21, 2008
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Gawly,

I just checked back to see if there were any responses, and this seems oh so confrontational...especially through the internet....only words, no faces.

It isn't meant to be, and I probably need to add an "IMHO" or two.

April 21, 2008
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I vote for 1 & 2.

But leave out the Marxist reference because believing that religion is the opiate of the masses does not make one a Marxist. And looking within, etc was not dreamed up by Oprah or the New Age. It seems that your bias against 1 & 2 is showing by your not so subtle remarks.

As for #1, I feel that people use religion as a crutch, as a comfort/self-soothing device which is not that different from an opiate. When we are children, we have mommy and daddy to watch over us and take care of us. I don't think people ever outgrow that basic longing so they replace it with religion when they start growing older. It's too scary for some people to realize that there really isn't anyone else to take care of them outside of relying on the charity of others or the government. They want to feel safe when dangers appear like hurricanes and floods, etc. So they self-soothe by praying. As if that works! No doubt there were a lot of people who were praying fervently when they were killed. Prayer's track record should be proof all by itself that it doesn't work. Your own survival skills and chance are what really determines the outcome.

As for #2, all we really have to depend on is ourselves. We survive by the hard work of our own hands or the skills and knowledge we acquire by study and learning. If we are lost in the wilderness, we hunt for food and water, doing whatever we can to survive. If we sat around praying and waiting for the man in the sky to save us, we'd be dead. It is up to us. "Two hands working can do more than a thousand hands clasped in prayer" author unknown.

And sorry to burst anyone's bubble, but "you have power to do and be what ever you want..." is unrealistic for anyone, religious or not. That's pure fantasy. But I do think looking within, most of us will be able to discover what is right for us. I'm sure not going to rely on a book of questionable origins from thousands of years ago, to dictate my life. I can't seem to agree with stoning an adultress to death or the numerous other outrageous acts the bible supports. I have my own compass of what is right and wrong. Even my dogs know when they're misbehaving! Things like that are innate for most people who aren't brainwashed or have mental disorders. There were laws against murder and stealing long before any bible was ever written. And those laws were developed by flesh and blood people. There's nothing magical or sacred about the 10 commandments. They are just some very unoriginal laws, most of which already existed. Having one day off a week was perhaps the only new one thrown in there.

April 21, 2008
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Having encountered God personally, my firsthand experience completely blew my personal theology out of the water many years ago. I now believe that He exists, cares on a deeply personal level about each and every one of us and intervenes in our lives in response to prayer.

- Ma Strong

April 21, 2008
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Having encountered God personally, my firsthand experience completely blew my personal theology out of the water many years ago. I now believe that He exists, cares on a deeply personal level about each and every one of us and intervenes in our lives in response to prayer.

- Ma Strong

April 21, 2008
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God is real. He is a loving Fatheer who has sent us here to experience trials. Unfortunately we have to exist on faith that he is real. that is part of the test. It won't be easy but it will be worth it.

April 21, 2008
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Wow, people, that´s some conviction.

I agree on some of the things Loralei said and disagree on others.

IMHO, praying works for some people sometimes, that is, when people have faith and devotion. When people pray with their own words or with a dozen or so Holy Maries, many of them get to a higher level of mind quietness that enables them to think better and reflect. I know that neurotheology has tried to artificially mimic the state the yogis get into while meditating (which provides them with so much peace and insight) through devices measuring brain waves, biochemistry and electrical impulses. Last I heard, neurotheologists / scientists haven´t been able to artificially attain that peace and insight. Its the same with prayer.

IMHO, I agree most of us don´t have the power to be what we want, save for some people who truly developed their divine potential and those who think they have, because our minds have come to want too much for our stage of development physically, mentally and spiritually. If we keep on going and thinking more than feeling and praying / meditating / reflecting, I believe in a few million years our human heads will be exponentially bigger than our puny feet, we will all be running around in chaos according to each individualistic pursuit we think is best for us. The exceptions for people who have the power to be what they want today are mostly people who want what they´ve got the power to be...

I agree with Loralei that If we are lost in the wilderness, we hunt for food and water thus fulfilling our basic needs. However, after satisfying the basic needs, as I understood from Maslow´s pyramid of needs, mankind wants to fulfill needs of a higher level which can only be satisfied with food for thought.

As for most of us will be able to discover what is right for us, I disagree, Loralei. Ive been searching for 48 years and I havent been brainwashed, though I believe I suffer from bipolar disorder. However, the 100% cure for bipolar disorder may happen anyday for me, while I believe I will be searching for what is right for me to the day I die bc knowledge, besides bread, is so important for me. Everytime I know something / someone that´s good, I have the realization that we can, as mankind, can be each day so much better than what we are, if we don´t give up, that it fills me with joy, gratitude and insight. Im only sad I can´t yet attain / observe / recognize more moments like those.

April 22, 2008
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OMW, given those choices, I vote for number 2. #1 seems like addiction, denial, whatchamakalit. #3 seems like God is separate from us. So through #2, I hope that religion will allow me to eventually get to some self-realization that will empower me to find my divine potential and consequently be with God.

April 22, 2008
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As a matter of fact, give me Oprah anyday...

Also, without any modesty, I hope some part of me, which is never born, neither will ever die, will be or IS with God sometime. I dont know how, where, why or when, only that I won´t be me as I know me today, thats for sure.

April 22, 2008
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sininho, I was referring to our innate ability to know right from wrong. Most people do have a conscience and are capable of coming up with their own laws. I wasn't putting any more meaning in to it than that.

And I agree with you about meditating. I'm sure prayer is similar in altering the brain waves in that respect. But I don't think either method is going to stop your house from being destroyed by a tornado if you're in its path. I think we were talking about two entirely different things.

I'm glad you have hope for mankind. I sure don't. To me, it seems that the ones filled with hate, the murderers, the rapists, the abusers, are growing disproportionately in number and that's scary. Many of the scariest are extreme religious fanatics who are happy to die for what they believe and want to take as many of us as they can with them. How odd that all the various religions believe in the same diety.

April 22, 2008
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Loralie

I agree with most of what you say.

Not ALL religions believe in the same deity. The doctrines and deities differ.

On My Way....

#1 Perhaps you are seeing this site somewhat skewed because of things you are reading into posts.

#2 New Age???? try Pagonism...not NEW at all but very much alive and well.

#3 And the problem with that is???????

Celtic

April 22, 2008
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Care to vote?

There is no vote with GOD. Vote!! On My Way, why do you want to know the different point of views? Will it change your faith of your convictions? Are you questioning your bleiefs?

All I can say is if religion is the opiate that is the one addiction I will cling to. No 12 step program will cure me of my addiction to God. If religion is an addiction, I'll be Jonesing for Jesus for the rest of my life. I will never get enough!!!!!!! God and Jesus are the only Ecstacy and Rapture I will ever need!!!

YES!! Jesus is the monkey on my back. I feel sorry for you people that JUST DONT GET THIS. The Bible is very specific about this -

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through me. ..." John 14:6

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." —Romans 6:23

And yes I could stretch that and twist it around to say not physical death PER SAY, not literally - death of the spirit, and you oh so educated Spin Doctors can weave a web around it however you want to say maybe it's this or maybe it's not this exactly, but the bottom line here is that unless you choose Christ as your Saviour, your immortal souls are in danger. Doesn't matter how smart you are, how learnED your discussions are. Botttom line folks. Have faith, let God do the thinking for you and you will be better off. Open your mind and your heart and God will lead you through understanding the Scriptures. Have faith. Until you do that you will never heal. You that say you are Christian but don't take the Holy Bible literally or want to make the scripture into something cool or metaphysical are just making a lame attempt to apologize for the Scriptures.

I used to be just like you non-believers. I know exactly how you feel!!! Then I accepted Jesus Christ as my Saviour. I opened my heart and my mind to His love and now I communicate with God and Jesus on a personal level every day. It took me years to do that one simple thing. To have the faith to open my mind and my heart. God KNEW why I couldn't open my heart- I had been hurt so very badly I couldn't trust. God waited for me all the while loving me. My God does that. My God is patient and understanding and loving. God is healing me of my childhood traumas. He was with me then and He is with me now. His love and my faith in Him heals me. There is no other way, no new self-help best-seller to read no 12 step program. Just God and his son Jesus. But I had to let Him work in my life. Without Him I am nothing just another damaged soul lost in a sea of pain. Self help yourself- give it all to God. Let His healing begin.

You all that don't accept this are just chasing your tails trying to justify the Bible as a parable or say that Jesus studied other religions. Bull Hockey. Why is that important? Why isn't it enough to accept The Word of God learn from the lessons there and be a Good Christian? Do you need to talk it to death? Why do you need to believe something else? MOVE ON. It's just trying to justify your choices, you are getting stuck in making excuses for not doing what you know to do. Tail chasing I tell you.

It makes me very sad for all of you. I WILL be praying for each and every one of you. Especially the Atheists and the Pagans, may God have mercy on your souls.

There is no vote.

April 22, 2008
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Loralei,

#1 I know it does not make one a Marxist, I just think that this way of thinking has Marxist overtones.

#2 I believe in looking within, but I believe in being humble about it. I gree with your insight, but I don't give credit to myself when I look, but God who made me. I think people tend to forget that it isn't all about them.

#3 This is what I believe, but I didn't wait until I was an adult to believe it.

April 22, 2008
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sininho,
You have such terrific insight, and sometimes you say things that are very profound. Sometimes what is in front of us though is not always the answer. It's easy to look at the vertical...what is in the books, what psychologists teach, what we learn in school, what we study. But sometimes that may be as far as anything goes. I am not criticizing, but there is a horizontal to..looking up, being willing to set what is obvious aside. For me this is #3.

I used to like Oprah, but now she wants to start her own religion. To me that is misleading her audience. She has a great many followers, and now she wants to start her own religion? What give her the right to do that? Maybe through our laws she can, but there are spiritual laws too. All of them work together.

April 22, 2008
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Celtic, Hope SPrings, Ma Strong, I am right there with you. I believe the same. But I like to know how other people believe as well. It doesn't mean that I am questioning my faith, but that I want to know how others here think and believe. 🙂

April 22, 2008
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Hope Springs

If it makes YOU feel better to pray for anyone and everyone do it.

Howeve please do not assume YOU have the ONLY true religion or perhaps you do have the true religion. I feel I have spirituality. Major difference.

Celtic

April 22, 2008
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I vote for #3
I believe God is real.

You can believe anything you want.

April 22, 2008
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?????? Oprah wants to start her own religion?????

ARE YOU SERIOUS????? Really, are you serious????

I don't watch much TV so I don't if you are kidding or not.

Celtic

April 22, 2008
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Celtic,
Yes she does. I don't watch her either, but she has a forum blog which I read recently because I am interested in the political blogs. http://www.oprah.com you have to register, (free of course) but yep, she wants to start her own. Freaky.

April 22, 2008
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OMG!!!!

I will have to go check that out!!

Does she want to be "The Goddess?! That's sort of scarry ;0(
I'm going there now to find out about this.

Celtic

April 22, 2008
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I cannot think of anything but narcissism that whould drive a person like Oprah to start her own religion.

So she is SO anti authority against say I think more than 900 different religions that she has to start her own.

But lets wait and see what she stands for and what she believes before we judge.

Not htat I say antybody IS judging, I will see what she says and then make up my mind as to what I think

Love

Garfield

April 22, 2008
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Ok, I went to youtube.

I watched some of the videos.

Not convinced she wants to start her OWN religion.

It sounded more like she was "playing devils advocate". She IS a talk show host. I didn't register and I didn't spend a lot time there. I think I will look into it further later.

Thanks for the info. ;0)

Celtic

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Please post more info on the new religion of Oprah or any other information

Thanks

Garfield

April 22, 2008
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ok, will get back to you both on this.

April 22, 2008
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Lorelei, I also think that most people have a conscience and are able to come up with their own laws and that sadly, sooo many people, including me many moments, have chosen to believe what´s bad and depressive, rather than what´s good. But deep in my heart, I have hope that only the good for all will happen in the fashion of "if you say to this mountain" move, it will. That is some hope, right?

hugs,

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